Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

anewme · 12-08-2018 09:55PM

zeebre12 wrote: »

No it hasn't. The media is protraying her as the innocent homeless woman with the kids having to sleep in the Garda station. The general working public have no idea of the ins and outs of it. That's the sad thing about it. Tis a great little country.

I think you are reading that poster wrong.

I think he sees how real working people are pissed off by this scam.

22michael44 · 12-08-2018 09:56PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks for the Niall Boylan link.

Will listen back in a bit.

Sadly his audience is very small compared with RTE/Newstalk/TodayFM/RTE tv/TV3/Indo/Irish Times/Journal etc..

But fair dues to him. No one complained against his stance (I still have to listen to it!), so why all the other media outlets were against properly researched reporting is beyond me now. It is quite sinister, to me anyway.

unfortunately Boylan is, frankly, a bigot who few people take seriously due to some of the crap he's come out with in the past. So we still have a bit of a problem in that there's no reasonable, balanced discourse that takes into account the systemic failures involved beyond blaming it on Varadkar or whatever.

Sundew · 12-08-2018 09:56PM

22michael44 wrote: »

this is the country Connolly and co fought for, dickhead. America would suit you better than me.

My Grandfather fought in the War of Independence and Civil War, he worked his whole life, raised 7 kids, everyone of them had to emigrate to find work, and they did...because they weren’t raised to put the hand out!
He certainly didn’t fight for the country we have now and I’m sure would be spinning in his grave!

dav3 · 12-08-2018 09:57PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Would love it if someone had pictures etc of extravagant spending etc.. and could add on here.

Sure thing.

zeebre12 · 12-08-2018 09:58PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Who’s fault is that?

So they spend their money wisely or on fags booze and gambling?

Don’t buy this poverty nonsense either.

This poverty nonsense also. 'Poor disadvantaged' families can't afford breakfast for their children so they get it in these DEIS schools. Cereal in Lidl costs about 80c. But I bet they will still have their Sky Sports subscription. Pure joke.

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 09:59PM

Melendez wrote: »

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Maybe that's because I only work 40 hours a week and have a 10 minute commute to work. You seem to think this has a major bearing in how much better you are than this person.[/quote]

Do I think a hard working responsible taxpayer willing to travel 2 hours each way to work is a better person that a criminal workshy layabout popping ou4 mouths for us to feed with no intention of contributing???

You're damned right i do.

tom1ie · 12-08-2018 10:02PM

22michael44 wrote: »

unfortunately Boylan is, frankly, a bigot who few people take seriously due to some of the crap he's come out with in the past. So we still have a bit of a problem in that there's no reasonable, balanced discourse that takes into account the systemic failures involved beyond blaming it on Varadkar or whatever.

I don’t know boylan past, never even heard of him until last week, but he was the only one providing the other side of the argument. I thought he presented it quite well and done a good job of representing the views of a lot of people in Ireland tbh.

Spanish Eyes · 12-08-2018 10:06PM

22michael44 wrote: »

unfortunately Boylan is, frankly, a bigot who few people take seriously due to some of the crap he's come out with in the past. So we still have a bit of a problem in that there's no reasonable, balanced discourse that takes into account the systemic failures involved beyond blaming it on Varadkar or whatever.

What about personal responsibility love?

Does it exist amongst the entitled classes at all I wonder. I'm sure it does for many who maintain their dignity in difficult circumstances, and will always have shelter for themselves and their families, even though it is not ideal.

Then there is the other side of it.... those who demand, feel entitled, and shout for their needs rather than their wants.

22michael44 · 12-08-2018 10:07PM

Sundew wrote: »

My Grandfather fought in the War of Independence and Civil War, he worked his whole life, raised 7 kids, everyone of them had to emigrate to find work, and they did...because they weren’t raised to put the hand out!
He certainly didn’t fight for the country we have now and I’m sure would be spinning in his grave!

that's fair enough, respect to the man. but could you imagine him ever saying that it'd be better if certain sectors of society didn't exist? that's where i'm coming from here.

Melendez · 12-08-2018 10:08PM

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Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 10:10PM

Posters up in arms at the media coverage. While I do agree it's a little unbalanced, it's not totally out of whack. The media can't report what's been said here on boards.ie because so much of it either is not factual or has no bearing on the case. I heard several times on the radio & every hour on the hour on Newstalk that she refused accommodation & choose the Garda station. I heard that she left it late in the night to get in touch with the housing department.

What more do people think that the media can report? They won't say anything about keeping her legs together, breeding or tubes tied. Because that's nothing to do with the story itself. That is a whole different debate & it's a brave media outlet that takes it on sometime in the future They can't talk about convictions that she doesn't have.

What exactly would people want the media to cover that they haven't already covered?

Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 10:12PM

punisher5112 wrote:

Would love it if someone had pictures etc of extravagant spending etc.. and could add on here.

Sounds like you are trying to make a story that isn't there.

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 10:15PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Posters up in arms at the media coverage. While I do agree it's a little unbalanced, it's not totally out of whack. The media can't report what's been said here on boards.ie because so much of it either is not factual or has no bearing on the case. I heard several times on the radio & every hour on the hour on Newstalk that she refused accommodation & choose the Garda station. I heard that she left it late in the night to get in touch with the housing department.

What more do people think that the media can report? They won't say anything about keeping her legs together, breeding or tubes tied. Because that's nothing to do with the story itself. That is a whole different debate & it's a brave media outlet that takes it on sometime in the future They can't talk about convictions that she doesn't have.

What exactly would people want the media to cover that they haven't already covered?

Her criminal offences.
Her house she was bragging about having not long back.
Her over the top spending and bragging about that.
The amount of our money she has going into the bank - and giving options as to where her and the brood can live (I.e. openly discussing why she has no need to live in the most populous, in demand and expensive areas).
Where the father(s) of the children are and why he does not contribute and has he ever.

tom1ie · 12-08-2018 10:15PM

Melendez wrote: »

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Mr boylan is highlighting how people like this woman can jump to the top of ques to get a house as she has 7 kids, thus taking a house away from a more deserving case.
Mr boylan is also highlighting how someone can contribute absolutely zero to the state, yet get over 50k in handouts paid for by the tax payer.
Any argument about why the system is broken as it’s not providing a house for someone that has never contributed anything to society is the wrong argument.
The correct argument is why this person feels she can get a house without contributing anything towards it.

Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 10:15PM

Melendez wrote:

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From reading posts many wouldnt lose too much sleep if she did commit suicide

Galwayguy35 · 12-08-2018 10:16PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Posters up in arms at the media coverage. While I do agree it's a little unbalanced, it's not totally out of whack. The media can't report what's been said here on boards.ie because so much of it either is not factual or has no bearing on the case. I heard several times on the radio & every hour on the hour on Newstalk that she refused accommodation & choose the Garda station. I heard that she left it late in the night to get in touch with the housing department.

What more do people think that the media can report? They won't say anything about keeping her legs together, breeding or tubes tied. Because that's nothing to do with the story itself. That is a whole different debate & it's a brave media outlet that takes it on sometime in the future They can't talk about convictions that she doesn't have.

What exactly would people want the media to cover that they haven't already covered?

Maybe where her husband is, I haven't heard it mentioned in any article or news report.

12-08-2018 10:16PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I've never heard of a traveler named Cash,

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

I haven't either, McCarthy,McDonagh etc etc yeah, but definitely not Cash.

I have. I've met plenty of them through my job working in prison.

Traveller Michael Cash beats 90 year old woman to a pulp in home invasion, has 90 convictions

Michael Cash, Elizabeth Cash and their sons Michael Cash Jr and Edward Cash guilty of violent disorder at cancelled Traveller wedding

Drunk driver John Cash kills two tourists

blackwhite · 12-08-2018 10:17PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Hopefully they might answer it. I genuinely don't know for sure but if you can only get the probation act once & if it has to be your first offence then whatever article saying she has 30 odd convictions must be about a different woman. Travellers do tend to keep the same names in the family so that's possible

The probation act has no such restrictions, and has never had since it was enacted in 1907.

But keep inventing stuff to try and paint this thief in a better light.

You keep trying to pretend she was merely “handling stolen goods”, when the evidence in court (not disputed by her defence) was that the car was involved in a rural robbery, chased by the gardai, and when eventually caught the other members of the gang had fled leaving her in the car with the loot.

Trying to pretend she simply found herself with stolen goods and had nothing to do with the gang committing the robbery is some serious mental gymnastics to try and protect this scumbag

Always number 1 · 12-08-2018 10:17PM

Melendez wrote: »

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There is a deficit in the system for finding shelter for homeless people - because it is over burdened by the gimme gimme brigade.

She has been on the housing list 11 years - presumably since she had her first child. At that time she probably applied as a mother of 1. BUT with every subsequent child she had, she would need to do a housing needs assessment as a mother of 2, mother of 3 etc It's not going to help her move up the list. In addition to this, with such a shortage of housing, where are you going to find a place to accommodate such a large family?

She mustn't have too many friends or family around her if someone couldn't take one or two of them so she could go to the place she was offered in Meath rather than stay in Garda station.
She doesn't appear to be working so why can she not rent somewhere outside of Dublin? I don't understand why people like her think it is acceptable for your child to sleep on a chair in a Garda station but it's not acceptable for them to live in Meath or similar

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 10:18PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I've never heard of a traveler named Cash,

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

I haven't either, McCarthy,McDonagh etc etc yeah, but definitely not Cash.

I have. I've met plenty of them through my job working in prison.

Traveller Michael Cash beats 90 year old woman to a pulp in home invasion, has 90 convictions

Michael Cash, Elizabeth Cash and their sons Michael Cash Jr and Edward Cash guilty of violent disorder at cancelled Traveller wedding

Drunk driver John Cash kills two tourists

Last one said "I'm truly sorry I'll never drive again".

Sure.

Always number 1 · 12-08-2018 10:20PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Maybe where her husband is, I haven't heard it mentioned in any article or news report.

One of the tabloids reported today that he's on remand in Cloverhill for assault

upandcumming · 12-08-2018 10:23PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Posters up in arms at the media coverage. While I do agree it's a little unbalanced, it's not totally out of whack. The media can't report what's been said here on boards.ie because so much of it either is not factual or has no bearing on the case. I heard several times on the radio & every hour on the hour on Newstalk that she refused accommodation & choose the Garda station. I heard that she left it late in the night to get in touch with the housing department.

What more do people think that the media can report? They won't say anything about keeping her legs together, breeding or tubes tied. Because that's nothing to do with the story itself. That is a whole different debate & it's a brave media outlet that takes it on sometime in the future They can't talk about convictions that she doesn't have.

What exactly would people want the media to cover that they haven't already covered?

I don't think anyone is debating the reporting of the facts - more the opinion pieces.

punisher5112 · 12-08-2018 10:24PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Sounds like you are trying to make a story that isn't there.

Care to elaborate their Hun??

blackwhite · 12-08-2018 10:24PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I hear you & agree with you however if it is a one off she has a legal & moral right to be forgotten. If it is a one off

My point is that some /most of the claims about her seem to be made up here on boards.ie.

The only conviction I can find is the one she got the probation act for.

I can't find a link to 30 convictions or previous charges. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist I just can't find anything close to it.

There is absolutely nothing about her being in a traveller gang terrorising people. The only place that you will find this statement is here on boards.ie. No one dug it up online.

I agree that it is nuts that she is paid over 50k per year but I think her case is bad enough without people making stuff up about her. That would be called a witch hunt

The news story reporting her conviction for involvement in the robbery in Wexford contains evidence presented to the court of numberous previous convictions for Road Traffic Offences, and very clearly lays out her involvement in a car that was chased by gardai whilst scouting houses to rob.

You are tying yourself in knots trying to defend her - and it’s patently transparent that you are trying to ignore anything that paints her in a bad light as well

Galwayguy35 · 12-08-2018 10:25PM

Always number 1 wrote: »

One of the tabloids reported today that he's on remand in Cloverhill for assault

Well it's something that at least one of them mentioned it, I doubt we will see it in The Journal or The Irish Times though.

12-08-2018 10:25PM

22michael44 wrote: »

unfortunately Boylan is, frankly, a bigot

That's fascist, Nazi, racist and bigot that's been worked into this thread in the last few hours. No, people are just sick of working their balls off to fund the lifestyles of these f*ckers. As I've said, having one or two children and falling on hard times is a world away from intentionally having 7 kids when you've no job, no intention of ever getting one and you're apparently homeless and on a housing list for a decade. Sing us a new tune there Mick, good man.

12-08-2018 10:27PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Last one said "I'm truly sorry I'll never drive again".

Sure.

That last lad John Cash should be getting life, not rehab....... :mad:

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 10:27PM

Omackeral wrote: »

22michael44 wrote: »

unfortunately Boylan is, frankly, a bigot

That's fascist, Nazi, racist and bigot that's been worked into this thread in the last few hours. No, people are just sick of working their balls off to fund the lifestyles of these f*ckers. As I've said, having one or two children and falling on hard times is a world away from intentionally having 7 kids when you've no job, no intention of ever getting one and you're apparently homeless and on a housing list for a decade. Sing us a new tune there Mick, good man.

Yeah I've had Nazi, fascist, crackhead and told to go to America!

I'm just a simple former Shinner who was going FG but will think about it and has t9 be on the 5.40am train tomorrow!

22michael44 · 12-08-2018 10:28PM

Omackeral wrote: »

That's fascist, Nazi, racist and bigot that's been worked into this thread in the last few hours. No, people are just sick of working their balls off to fund the lifestyles of these f*ckers. As I've said, having one or two children and falling on hard times is a world away from intentionally having 7 kids when you've no job, no intention of ever getting one and you're apparently homeless and on a housing list for a decade. Sing us a new tune there Mick, good man.

calm down. bigot is hardly on the same level as nazi, and the reason i'm referring to him as such has nothing to do with the welfare issue (when people snip out the rest of your post are they admitting they haven't actually read the whole thing?). I'm just describing how he's perceived. He's a 'shock-jock' presenter with a frequently appalling social media manner. Yes he's made some good points in this instance but don't be fooled into thinking he's an intelligent, fearless social analyst.

Dakota Dan · 12-08-2018 10:30PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I have. I've met plenty of them through my job working in prison.

Traveller Michael Cash beats 90 year old woman to a pulp in home invasion, has 90 convictions

Michael Cash, Elizabeth Cash and their sons Michael Cash Jr and Edward Cash guilty of violent disorder at cancelled Traveller wedding

Drunk driver John Cash kills two tourists

Lovely people them Cash's :rolleyes:

Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

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