Unsecured IP camera CHQ?

Pegmatite · 10-08-2018 07:08PM

People have an expectation of privacy.
They have a right to know if they are being filmed and then being broadcast over the internet.
Do the guys in the both in the CHQ know they are being filmed.
What about the people having coffee.
Suppose I am meeting someone about a job with a competitor and get seen
Or if I am having an affair, and meet them there.

Would you be ok if I filmed you and broadcast it without your permission?

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-08-2018 07:08PM

If you're having an affair then you deserve it at least.

Pegmatite · 10-08-2018 07:13PM

Not really, I am just using that as an example. You can have numerous reasons why you might not want to be filmed.
You could be a journalist meeting a source
A guard meeting with someone who wouldnt like be seen near a station
A whistleblower
Organising a suprise birthday party for your wife

Lots of reasons.

OneEightSeven · 10-08-2018 07:41PM

Search YouTube for "IP camera trolling".

Foscam released many cameras in the past that didn't have passwords or used the same default password for every cam. Most IP cameras have microphones and speakers, so you can talk to people through them.

Trasna1 · 10-08-2018 07:43PM

Pegmatite wrote: »

Not really, I am just using that as an example. You can have numerous reasons why you might not want to be filmed.
You could be a journalist meeting a source
A guard meeting with someone who wouldnt like be seen near a station
A whistleblower
Organising a suprise birthday party for your wife

Lots of reasons.

There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. In each of those scenarios, you could just as easily be rumbled by a passer by.

The only risk really is to the owner of the property rather ironically. Someone with an ulterior motive could use these cameras to plot movements, and identify other weak points in security. I could watch a camera for example and find out that security does a lap every half hour.

forward8 · 10-08-2018 08:18PM

Owner of that cam got the txt and is changing pw.
These cams can be a major security risk.

dotsman · 10-08-2018 08:42PM

Pegmatite wrote: »

People have an expectation of privacy.
They have a right to know if they are being filmed and then being broadcast over the internet.
Do the guys in the both in the CHQ know they are being filmed.
What about the people having coffee.
Suppose I am meeting someone about a job with a competitor and get seen
Or if I am having an affair, and meet them there.

Would you be ok if I filmed you and broadcast it without your permission?

As Trasna has said, there really can be no expectation of privacy in public. Especially today, where there could easily be someone taking a photo/video in public where you are in the background.

It's different if the focus of the camera is on you. But, in the case of CCTV cameras, they are often focused on large areas of which people generally tend to be poor quality, out-of-focus subjects. I go to the CHQ quite often. This won't stop me going, or walking past that camera. It's just that I'm not really bothered!

Capt'n Midnight · 10-08-2018 09:10PM

Wheety wrote: »

If you have an IP camera, be sure to change the password!

This will have no effect on the passwords burnt into the firmware.

Or the whopping great big holes that allow access without passwords.

"IP cameras typically use Universal Plug and Play (UPnP)... making them highly visible targets for IoT malware,

CollyFlower · 10-08-2018 09:16PM

A nice view of Dublin here. https://www.siptu.ie/media/webcam/

rgodard80a · 10-08-2018 10:42PM

(Not exactly AH material, but worth mentioning for anyone running home cameras that they can access over the net)

Just to summarize/expand on the steps to take to secure a webcam

1) Change the default password (and username if you can)
2) Update to the latest version of the firmware
3) Disable UPnP on your home router, only explicitly open public ports to devices on your network when necessary.
4) If you do open an port on your home router to access your camera (or any device) on your local network, then ideally don't use the default port on the internet facing side. Eg. if your camera uses port 8888 on your home network, then use some random other port when port forwarding on your router. So someone on the net would have to know you opened port 12345 instead and forwarded the traffic through your router to port 8888.
5) Ideally don't run your webcam or other "internet of things" devices on your main home network. Create a separate network / guest network for them.

Your home network security is only as strong as it's weakest link.
And a smart bulb, cheap webcam or smart TV might expose your whole home network to hackers.

There's specific websites like "Shodan" which scans the entire web for devices with well known open ports and saves them for anyone to query. So once a hacker finds some vulnerability they can look up a list of known IP addresses that could be running that service/device and attempt to hack each one in turn.

Blazer · 10-08-2018 11:09PM

christ I've love a pint now and a packet of bacon fries.

forward8 · 12-08-2018 04:14PM

anyone figured out the pub name yet?

whiskeyman · 12-08-2018 05:11PM

forward8 wrote: »

anyone figured out the pub name yet?

It's some kind of pub based in the future!

Morpork · 12-08-2018 05:17PM

The CHQ camera is not unsecured, it's public.

It's literally on their website:
https://chq.ie/live-camera/

It's the same with the church cameras too. They're mostly on the website of the church.
Once the camera has a public feed, insecam can scrape it. shodan.io has been doing this for a long time and not just with cameras all IOT tech.

forward8 · 12-08-2018 05:47PM

the pubs IP camera address shows up as dingle, Kerry when put into one of those ip tools online, not sure how accurate they are though or if it's the right IP.

Morpork · 12-08-2018 05:50PM

forward8 wrote: »

the pubs IP camera address shows up as dingle, Kerry when put into one of those ip tools online, not sure how accurate they are though or if it's the right IP.

It's accurate. I was trying to find the pub using image search of Dingle pubs but no luck.

Outlaw Pete · 12-08-2018 06:52PM

Ah here, no way that these naked chicks know people are watching them.

Relikk · 12-08-2018 09:06PM

forward8 wrote: »

the pubs IP camera address shows up as dingle, Kerry when put into one of those ip tools online, not sure how accurate they are though or if it's the right IP.

I wouldn't rely on it too much. One of the cameras showed it's IP as being in Cork, but it was Dun Laoghaire pier.

smokiebeverage · 12-08-2018 11:57PM

The CHQ camera isn't an insecure camera, its just the feed off their website webcam! https://chq.ie/live-camera/ They probably know about it already, don't you think!

Capt'n Midnight · 13-08-2018 01:02AM

Locals can see how busy your WiFi is even if it's encrypted. And work out from the size and style of packets what's going on.
They can't see you but they can tell what you are doing.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/10/internet_of_things_encryption_snooping/

Unsecured IP camera CHQ?

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