Monsanto ruled to have caused man’s cancer

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-08-2018 12:40AM #1

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/10/monsanto-trial-cancer-dewayne-johnson-ruling?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Ruling that roundup exposure caused blood cell cancer in a groundskeeper. Also that the company acted with malice to suppress evidence of carcinogenicity.

Concerns about roundup tend to get dismissed as hippie dippy nonsense, but the concerns are legitimate and very significant.

Guy:Incognito · 11-08-2018 12:49AM

Daniella Cold Dude wrote: »

Concerns about roundup tend to get dismissed as hippie dippy nonsense, but the concerns are legitimate and very significant.

I'd imagine most are referring to domestic use. I'd have thought anyone using any chemical in a commercial environment would be using ppe. It says he was using it for hours at a time. Personally, if I was spraying anything stronger than water for hours at a time I'd want to be wearing a protective mask at the very least, but probably a suit of some kind too.

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-08-2018 06:55AM

It's the tip of the iceberg. What might be of most interest is that they were found to have aggressively suppressed evidence against them.

This paper outlines numerous health concerns:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392553/

This paper discusses evudence that it is causing colony collapse disorder in bees:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25063858/

11-08-2018 06:59AM

Daniella Cold Dude wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/10/monsanto-trial-cancer-dewayne-johnson-ruling?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Ruling that roundup exposure caused blood cell cancer in a groundskeeper. Also that the company acted with malice to suppress evidence of carcinogenicity.

Concerns about roundup tend to get dismissed as hippie dippy nonsense, but the concerns are legitimate and very significant.

Most of the "concerns" we hear people going on about are GMO is bad and They copyright seeds, both of which I would consider hippy dippy nonsense.

Wanderer78 · 11-08-2018 07:16AM

Deleted User wrote:

Most of the "concerns" we hear people going on about are GMO is bad and They copyright seeds, both of which I would consider hippy dippy nonsense.

The control of the means of production of our foods should be a concern for all, if a small network of large corporations control this, they can effectively monopolise and control all aspects of this critical human need, and possibly use it to manipulate for their own gains.

This could spell the end of glyphosate, who d sell it after this

Malayalam · 11-08-2018 07:20AM

Good news. The ruination of that company cannot come too soon.

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of the "concerns" we hear people going on about are GMO is bad and They copyright seeds, both of which I would consider hippy dippy nonsense.

They do patent seeds. https://monsanto.com/company/media/statements/saving-seeds/

I am on the fence about GMO (avoid it if I can) but regardless of mine or anyone elses ''opinions'' on it we won't really know for sure about long term effects until we get to the long term. And by then even if we have all grown extra ears due to GMO some gigantic corporations will have made unimaginable amounts of money and will somehow pay a trivial percentage for damages caused. :rolleyes:

s7ryf3925pivug · 11-08-2018 07:34AM

Genetic modification can be positive or negative. Modifying vegetables to be more nutritious is usually good. Modifying crops to survive being doused in Roundup is bad because there are serious concerns about using or consuming Roundup.

Wanderer78 · 11-08-2018 07:34AM

Malayalam wrote:

Good news. The ruination of that company cannot come too soon.

Oh I wouldn't get too excited about Monsanto going down, such large corporations are almost invincible, they ll be grand

Bigus · 11-08-2018 07:35AM

I'd like to stick this fella Scot in a Round Up misted room for 5 days a week and see if he didn't change his tune rather quickly.

"Scott Partridge, the vice-president of Monsanto, released a statement after the verdict asserting that “glyphosate does not cause cancer, and did not cause Mr Johnson’s cancer”, adding: “We will appeal this decision and continue to vigorously defend this product, which has a 40-year history of safe use and continues to be a vital, effective, and safe tool for farmers and others.”

twinytwo · 11-08-2018 07:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of the "concerns" we hear people going on about are GMO is bad and They copyright seeds, both of which I would consider hippy dippy nonsense.

They have said multiple times that there should be a patient on every seed available.

My main issue with them, is they do not want you to have a choice. so they lead the charge in not have GMO labeling on foods etc

11-08-2018 07:40AM

Daniella Cold Dude wrote: »

It's the tip of the iceberg. What might be of most interest is that they were found to have aggressively suppressed evidence against them.

This paper outlines numerous health concerns:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4392553/

This paper discusses evudence that it is causing colony collapse disorder in bees:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25063858/

Very much so. I wonder to what extent their products, particularly the one in question, are used in Ireland. Monsanto has an Irish office, in Dunshaughlin, Co. Meath, so it's clearly doing business here.

Malayalam · 11-08-2018 07:41AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh I wouldn't get too excited about Monsanto going down, such large corporations are almost invincible, they ll be grand

Ah go on, I'll get a little bit excited. This guy has a ruling of 289 million dollars against Monsanto, there are thousands of similar cases pending and the scientific evidence about glyphosate is beginning to stack up. Mind you, nothing could recompense for the harm Monsanto and their ilk have caused.

Wanderer78 · 11-08-2018 07:44AM

Deleted User wrote:

, so it's clearly doing business here.

'doing business', an interesting term, or is it a fact of, 'just resting in our Irish accounts'!

Malayalam · 11-08-2018 07:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Very much so. I wonder to what extent their products, particularly the one in question, are used in Ireland. Monsanto has an Irish office, in Dunshaughlin, Co. Meath, so it's clearly doing business here.

Our local village store - you know the old fashioned food (aka rashers) and agri-products combination shop - stacks Roundup on the shelves in pride of place. Gobshytes.

Wanderer78 · 11-08-2018 07:46AM

Malayalam wrote:

Ah go on, I'll get a little bit excited. This guy has a ruling of 289 million dollars against Monsanto, there are thousands of similar cases pending and the scientific evidence about glyphosate is beginning to stack up. Mind you, nothing could recompense for the harm Monsanto and their ilk have caused.

Oh I wouldn't get overly excited, the weird and wonderful world of corporations seems to be untouchable at the moment

Malayalam · 11-08-2018 07:47AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh I wouldn't get overly excited, the weird and wonderful world of corporations seems to be untouchable at the moment

Stahp trying to suppress my excitement, Wanderer!

heebusjeebus · 11-08-2018 07:50AM

Malayalam wrote: »

Our local village store - you know the old fashioned food (aka rashers) and agri-products combination shop - stacks Roundup on the shelves in pride of place. Gobshytes.

It's not illegal to sell though.
I was pulling weeds out the front of our house one day and a fella who said he was a gardner (not sure if professionally or as a hobby) advised me to use roundup on the leaves of the weeds.
I would be very hesitant as my mother spends hours out in her garden every day and has never touched the stuff.

Malayalam · 11-08-2018 07:56AM

heebusjeebus wrote: »

It's not illegal to sell though.
I was pulling weeds out the front of our house one day and a fella who said he was a gardner (not sure if professionally or as a hobby) advised me to use roundup on the leaves of the weeds.
I would be very hesitant as my mother spends hours out in her garden every day and has never touched the stuff.

Oh I know it's not illegal, it's just idiotic. I am a gardener, and I would never let any chemicals near my place. Hoe or weed out what you don't want, and learn to love the weeds you cannot manage to control. Better than breathing in or absorbing via skin all kinds of horrible stuff. People round here use it outside their gates to make the place look nice and tidy - yeah, as if those banks of horrid yellow grasses and weeds look nicer than lovely meadowsweet and rosebay willowherb and dandelions! Silly billys.

Annasopra · 11-08-2018 09:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of the "concerns" we hear people going on about are GMO is bad and They copyright seeds, both of which I would consider hippy dippy nonsense.

Wha? This is not about gmo?

Mountainsandh · 11-08-2018 09:47AM

Malayalam wrote: »

Oh I know it's not illegal, it's just idiotic. I am a gardener, and I would never let any chemicals near my place. Hoe or weed out what you don't want, and learn to love the weeds you cannot manage to control. Better than breathing in or absorbing via skin all kinds of horrible stuff. People round here use it outside their gates to make the place look nice and tidy - yeah, as if those banks of horrid yellow grasses and weeds look nicer than lovely meadowsweet and rosebay willowherb and dandelions! Silly billys.

I've always wondered about that, since I moved to Ireland. Who thinks yellow burnt road sides are nicer than green roadsides ?

They do that by the creamery crossroad down our road. It's a big crossroad, the grass or weeds in question are not a visibility issue, but they are invariably sprayed each year.
When there is a real visibility issue they tend to lift the accumulated soil off the roadsides with a digger, and trim hedges, so the spraying serves no other purpose than...
than what exactly ?

11-08-2018 10:05AM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Wha? This is not about gmo?

I know. I was responding to the OP.

joeysoap · 11-08-2018 10:12AM

Banned or restricted in a few countries

https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/toxic-tort-law/monsanto-roundup-lawsuit/where-is-glyphosate-banned/

Discodog · 11-08-2018 10:17AM

I have used Roundup professionally for 30 years & I will continue to do so.

rgace · 11-08-2018 10:26AM

Discodog wrote: »

I have used Roundup professionally for 30 years & I will continue to do so.

Good man.

Discodog · 11-08-2018 10:29AM

rgace wrote: »

Good man.

I did my degree in environmental science & then worked in pesticide development. It's not a uneducated decision.

Malayalam · 11-08-2018 10:43AM

Discodog wrote: »

I did my degree in environmental science & then worked in pesticide development. It's not a uneducated decision.

Why do you think the EU might have decided to renew its license for 5 years rather than 15? Why have so many European countries plus Russia restricted or banned it? You may yet find yourself on the wrong side. Time will tell. Personally I can think of very few advantages to the widespread use of synthetic chemicals especially where food is concerned

Wanderer78 · 11-08-2018 11:17AM

Malayalam wrote:

Why do you think the EU might have decided to renew its license for 5 years rather than 15? Why have so many European countries plus Russia restricted or banned it? You may yet find yourself on the wrong side. Time will tell. Personally I can think of very few advantages to the widespread use of synthetic chemicals especially where food is concerned

Concepts such as 'no tillage' are also an interesting development in our food production

listermint · 11-08-2018 11:22AM

Malayalam wrote: »

Why do you think the EU might have decided to renew its license for 5 years rather than 15? Why have so many European countries plus Russia restricted or banned it? You may yet find yourself on the wrong side. Time will tell. Personally I can think of very few advantages to the widespread use of synthetic chemicals especially where food is concerned

But using some on your driveway is hardly a problem.

If your free you can come round and d-weed mine its about 50 Meteres Squared of stone.

Malayalam · 11-08-2018 11:31AM

listermint wrote: »

But using some on your driveway is hardly a problem.

If your free you can come round and d-weed mine its about 50 Meteres Squared of stone.

Your driveway, your problem, Listermint

I spend enough time hoeing the weeds out of my own gravel drive. A little bit of weeding every day or so is quite pleasant exercise and it works to the extent I require. There is nothing pleasant about glyphosate. https://jech.bmj.com/content/71/6/613

Fakediamond · 11-08-2018 11:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Most of the "concerns" we hear people going on about are GMO is bad and They copyright seeds, both of which I would consider hippy dippy nonsense.

I’m interested to know why you would say concerns are “hippy dippy” nonsense?

listermint · 11-08-2018 11:34AM

Malayalam wrote: »

Your driveway, your problem, Listermint I spend enough time hoeing the weeds out of my own gravel drive. A little bit of weeding every day or so is quite pleasant exercise and it works to the extent I require. There is nothing pleasant about glyphosate. https://jech.bmj.com/content/71/6/613

Ah come on, i can make tea.

Monsanto ruled to have caused man’s cancer

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