Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

Calhoun · 10-08-2018 04:04AM

Aska wrote: »

na, only Duffster can have use of the researchers

and what does this mean from a PBH post on twitter, " we have a duty of care not to make matters worse" ?

wha? you mean we don't want to ask the sensible questions as we are running with this story and want to make hay while we can so you will all text in to said shows and generate more money for our companies?

Your expecting a guy who works for an organization that is propped up by the tax payer and has a huge amount of waste to ask serious questions from another person on the take?

NIMAN · 10-08-2018 04:52AM

.... and people like this woman know that they will never be asked difficult questions, and thats the reason why they will chance their arm and pull a publicity stunt that goes around the world to get what they want.

I maintain if a few more of them were asked the questions, there'd be less of these stunts being pulled.

I don't think its unreasonable to ask these folk why they didn't accept previous accommodation offers or indeed where the fathers are. They are all acceptable questions.

I can understand the local hospital or Gardai having a duty of care, but an analyst or interviewer on RTE??? Come on, thats a cop out and getting off the hook, when there are many listening to you saying "ask her where the father is".

suicide_circus · 10-08-2018 05:54AM

having 6 children while in the knowledge that you cannot support them makes her either bad or mad.

either she is a bad person who has deliberately set out to live a life beyond her means knowing it will be paid for with money squeezed from her fellow citizens or she lacks the mental capacity to understand her situation lacking an even basic understanding of money.

which is it?

NIMAN · 10-08-2018 05:57AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

having 6 children while in the knowledge that you cannot support them makes her either bad or mad.

either she is a bad person who has deliberately set out to live a life beyond her means knowing it will be paid for with money squeezed from her fellow citizens or she lacks the mental capacity to understand her situation lacking an even basic understanding of money.

which is it?

To be fair, as a female from her community, they tend to be lacking in education and leave school very early. So I would guess she doesn't have much of an idea of how reality works.....she is probably just living her life as per parents and elders did before her.....and history will likely be repeated with her kids too.

suicide_circus · 10-08-2018 06:10AM

NIMAN wrote: »

To be fair, as a female from her community, they tend to be lacking in education and leave school very early. So I would guess she doesn't have much of an idea of how reality works.....she is probably just living her life as per parents and elders did before her.....and history will likely be repeated with her kids too.

the culture of infantilised adults. the state playing the role of the parent. ask what your country can do for you.

erica74 · 10-08-2018 06:31AM

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Maybe we should ask her to come on here and do AMA

Do you not remember the last AMA with a traveller? Absolute farce.

lawred2 · 10-08-2018 07:09AM

Turnipman wrote: »

My God! there's another one in California!

Cork single mother-of-six left homeless by California fires

What is it about a certain subset of Irish women that renders them congenitally incapable of either using contraception or keeping their legs together?

There's even a Gofundme address for sympathetic readers to give her a digout.

Wtf has this to do with the anything?

Those people were made homeless by wildfires destroying their house

Ronan|Raven · 10-08-2018 07:54AM

Every newspaper with the same bull**** headline.

Edgware · 10-08-2018 07:59AM

Where are all the people who were willing to offer accommodation to the Syrian refugees last Summer when an Irish family needs it?

Joe Duffy couldn't handle the number of people offering the use of spare rooms, holiday homes etc.
Typical gob****es jumping on the bandwagon but won't help poor Ms Cash

The Nal · 10-08-2018 08:00AM

Have a read of this

Ronan|Raven · 10-08-2018 08:02AM

Edgware wrote: »

Where are all the people who were willing to offer accommodation to the Syrian refugees last Summer when an Irish family needs it?

Joe Duffy couldn't handle the number of people offering the use of spare rooms, holiday homes etc.
Typical gob****es jumping on the bandwagon but won't help poor Ms Cash

Oh go and ****e.

Try_harder · 10-08-2018 08:04AM

Syrian Refugees were fleeing war tbf

The Nal · 10-08-2018 08:08AM

"Poor Ms Cash"

Hahaha

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/goreyguardian/news/district-court-roundup-30999781.html

A bench warrant was issued for the apprehension of Margaret Cash from 22 Sundale Villas in Tallaght.

She was due in the District Court sitting at Gorey to meet a charge alleging that on October 5, 2013 she was in possession of stolen property at Kilconnib in Monageer.

A solicitor was in court to suggest that there had been what he called a 'break down in communication' between Ms Cash and her legal representative. An application was made to have the case taken by Detective martin Brauders adjourned in the hope that this breakdown could bed repaired.

However, Garda Inspector Pat Cody felt obliged to seek the warrant, pointing out that this was not the first time that Ms Cash had failed to appear.

MFPM · 10-08-2018 08:09AM

Calhoun wrote: »

Your expecting a guy who works for an organization that is propped up by the tax payer and has a huge amount of waste to ask serious questions from another person on the take?

It's a public service broadcaster supported by taxes, it's a good thing.

Sleeper12 · 10-08-2018 08:10AM

Edgware wrote: »

Where are all the people who were willing to offer accommodation to the Syrian refugees last Summer when an Irish family needs it?

Joe Duffy couldn't handle the number of people offering the use of spare rooms, holiday homes etc.
Typical gob****es jumping on the bandwagon but won't help poor Ms Cash

In fairness many who offered accommodation are actively still hosting these refugees. The people who did offer DID in fact follow through on their offer.

In fairness again there's very few people can offer accommodation this woman & her gang of kids. Then their father gets out of prison, what are you going to do ban him from the house? No I can't see too many willing to get involved with this woman

MFPM · 10-08-2018 08:11AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

having 6 children while in the knowledge that you cannot support them makes her either bad or mad.

either she is a bad person who has deliberately set out to live a life beyond her means knowing it will be paid for with money squeezed from her fellow citizens or she lacks the mental capacity to understand her situation lacking an even basic understanding of money.

which is it?

Do you apply such binary analysis to all situations, if it's not x it must be y?

Reati · 10-08-2018 08:11AM

MFPM wrote: »

Do you apply such binary analysis to all situations, if it's not x it must be y?

Do tell, what is z in this case?

MFPM · 10-08-2018 08:13AM

Reati wrote: »

Do tell, what is z in this case?

Socio economic backdrop, upbringing, educational disadvantage......it's not hard with a smidgen of objectivity, but then again with you lot.............

10-08-2018 08:15AM

NIMAN wrote: »

To be fair, as a female from her community, they tend to be lacking in education and leave school very early. So I would guess she doesn't have much of an idea of how reality works.....she is probably just living her life as per parents and elders did before her.....and history will likely be repeated with her kids too.

I'm sorry but that is such a cop out. i'm thinking back to my primary, secondary, and university education... and there's nothing in there telling me the practicalities of life. We know how reality works because we've seen the life failures of others around us, or basic common sense kicks in, telling us not to be stupid. We also (previously anyway) didn't expect the State to provide us with an income, and knew we would have to find our own way to support our choices/mistakes.

She's gaming the system. Or she's a complete muppet who shouldn't be considered a responsible parent. Either way, the State shouldn't be supporting people like that in this manner, and pandering to their issues, is only encouraging them to continue.

Graces7 · 10-08-2018 08:18AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'm not disputing the fact that her life is of her own making. What isn't of her own making is the way she's been ripped to shreds on here and combing through her social media to tear her apart some more. That's moral high horsery. So bloody what if she's buying crystal or posting about a couple of shítty bottles of plonk. I still wouldn't call that living the high life.

You don't see 'genuine' cases giving interviews to the media because they know they too will likely have their lives shredded to bits and picked apart on social media.

She's obviously not playing the game very well when she ends up having her life ripped apart on social media. That's just kicking someone when they're down, and nobody's handing out prizes for that shít.

You're clearly not more informed than most on this case because you're still banging on about her "skipping the queue" and "taking a place from someone else", when it's been explained to you a number of times already that the housing list isn't turns based, it's based on an assessment of need, and they prioritise those in greater need of accommodation than those who aren't in as great a need of accommodation.

You're overstating the idea that you think she's making a fool out of anyone because her and her familys needs will still be assessed the same as anyone elses, and with six children she and her family are obviously going to be a higher priority on the housing list than someone with no children. That's the way the housing list works, except in this case and many others like it, the system isn't working, and needs to be changed. There isn't any jumping queues or being put to the bottom of queues when the criteria are based on an assessment of the person's need of accommodation, and yeah, we do have an issue in this country with the number of people on the list who are homeless and in need of accommodation, but nobody is going to stick their head above the parapet when they're likely to have their lives picked apart and told they aren't 'genuinely' homeless by people such as yourself who don't have the foggiest notion what they're talking about.

About the only thing we do agree on is that indeed - flogging a dead horse does come to mind, because no matter how many times you've been informed already that you're wrong, and ill-informed, and wherever you get your information you've been misinformed, you'll still insist that you're right and you're doing the public and people who are homeless a favour knowing full well how this thread was going to go.

I'm done here tbh, I'd be wasting my time contributing any further to this witch-hunt you created to kick a person when they're down.

THANK YOU!

The Nal · 10-08-2018 08:25AM

Never trust a traveller. Its a good life lesson. Theres always a con going on.

MFPM · 10-08-2018 08:27AM

VonZan wrote: »

Any sort of intelligent debate on this topic leads to the conclusion that social and affordable housing aren't feasible on the mass scale that is needed. The problem is creating artificially high standards that most people simply cannot afford.

Also, regulation is the problem and it puts off many people investing in this country. We aren't a socialist country nor do we have the means to provide state subsidied housing on the scale 'needed'.

Having six kids and expecting the state to provide for them shows a shocking level of entitlement from this women and the media. It shows how out of touch they are with the taxpayer.

The only way the state can create the funding required for a project would be to increase CT and Income Tax. They won't touch CT and Income tax increases will lead to absolute chaos as I don't think the taxpayer are willing to take another hit for the so-called 'greater good'.

It's very easy to say to build more houses, how about telling us where the money comes from? I certainly wouldn't be willing to pay a cent extra to subsidise the lifestyles of those that continually rely on the state in perpetuity.

Any sort of intelligent debate on this topic leads to the conclusion that social and affordable housing aren't feasible on the mass scale that is needed.

This is absurd but tell me, where is this 'intelligent debate' and where are these conclusions?

The problem is creating artificially high standards that most people simply cannot afford.

This is one of the problems.

Also, regulation is the problem and it puts off many people investing in this country.

What regulation, there has been a deregulatory agenda for 30 years in this country - the Planning and Development Act 2000 and it's subsequent amendments made a raft of pro development changes, REITs have been invited in and are exempt from corporation tax, third party planning appeals have been removed in a number of areas, there have been significant changes to apartment guidelines heavily lobbied for by the development industry including global equity and pension funds aimed at increasing their return. Lastly while private rental sector transactions have declined this year across Europe, Dublin has bucked the trend with an increase so all of this indicates your argument simply doesn't stack up.

We aren't a socialist country nor do we have the means to provide state subsidied housing on the scale 'needed'.

The state used to provide state subsidised housing on a significant scale but unfortunately it privatised housing and much of it's land and handed the provision of housing over to the private sector - hence making housing a commodity and is built not based on social need but for profit and that is at the heart of this crisis.

Having six kids and expecting the state to provide for them shows a shocking level of entitlement from this women and the media.

I have no idea of this woman's history, up bringing, educational attainment etc - she seems to be in a very difficult place and clearly needs help - how she got here isn't that important but fixing it is.

The only way the state can create the funding required for a project would be to increase CT and Income Tax. They won't touch CT and Income tax increases will lead to absolute chaos as I don't think the taxpayer are willing to take another hit for the so-called 'greater good'.

If service are seen to work I think people are prepared to pay for them, the reason why there is an attitude to high taxes in this country is that people don't believe that decent public services are provided from those taxes. It works in other countries so there is no real reason it couldn't here.

Beechwoodspark · 10-08-2018 08:28AM

posy2010 wrote: »

She deleted her FB account when she was called out by people who knew her. She was in a HAP paid house but had no interest in contributing to the rent. A look at her FB shows her out drinking every night too.

If this is true what a scumbag she is.

Sleeper12 · 10-08-2018 08:29AM

NIMAN wrote: »

To be fair, as a female from her community, they tend to be lacking in education and leave school very early. So I would guess she doesn't have much of an idea of how reality works.....she is probably just living her life as per parents and elders did before her.....and history will likely be repeated with her kids too.

Im dyslexic & autistic. I left school at 14 without an inter cert or leaving cert. I have pretty good cop on. Never claimed a penny from the state & have had more than a dozen successful businesses to my name. The first one at 18 years of age.

I agree with NIMAN, I think the main difference between her & me is my family background. It was never on the cards that I'd get the dole. My own autistic son qualifies for permanent disability yet never drew a penny from the state. I've personally supported him at times rather than have him sign on. Working or not he has to be up every morning just like a working Joe.

It's going to take generations to teach families like hers that there are better ways in life than the dole. I feel for travelers. A traveler baby is just a baby. They have so many obstacles growing up the chances of them finishing school or 3rd level are very small

Mysterypunter · 10-08-2018 08:31AM

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe. I'm treating this as the joke it is, knew it would be related to a fine ethnic group.

MFPM · 10-08-2018 08:32AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Someone didn't invest in REITS on time I'm guessing!

I was responding to YOUR post not anyone else's, I wish I could have 100 fingers on my keyboard to do so, but I only have ten.

Relax. Do not get angry, it is just a website with differing views.

But honestly, I cannot understand how you are not seething given your commute and obligation to move so far away, when others can just demand what they want at our expense.

I really think the tide is turning now though.

Someone didn't invest in REITS on time I'm guessing!

Don't be so obtuse.

Relax. Do not get angry, it is just a website with differing views.

One can express views on this situation without tearing the woman, a woman no one knows to shreds, it's rotten stuff.

But honestly, I cannot understand how you are not seething given your commute and obligation to move so far away, when others can just demand what they want at our expense.

If I'm seething it would be wildly misplaced if directed at this woman, my anger is directed at government policy in abandoning the provision of housing to those who are in it to make money thus will only provide housing if it does so in other words the homeless can stay homeless.

MFPM · 10-08-2018 08:32AM

Mysterypunter wrote: »

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe. I'm treating this as the joke it is, knew it would be related to a fine ethnic group.

Thank you for that lucid and insightful contribution make sure to close the door as you leave, ta.

Sleeper12 · 10-08-2018 08:34AM

Mysterypunter wrote:

There was an old woman who lived in a shoe. I'm treating this as the joke it is, knew it would be related to a fine ethnic group.

I knew that it was a set of photo shoot from the gets go but it never crossed my mind that she would be a traveller. I don't see what that has to do with it. There's many settled mothers on the housing list with the same amount of children

10-08-2018 08:53AM

tomofson wrote: »

No I mean people are born into certain circumstances and they develop a certain view of the world due to that.

So stop having half a dozen kids when you've no job, no intention of working and have been on a housing list for more than a decade.

10-08-2018 08:56AM

tomofson wrote: »

It wasn't me who called them animals was it, I am probably the most diplomatic person on this thread right now.

The poster DID NOT call the children animals. They said said grow up to live like these animals i.e. the grown up people. It's all there to see. Poster even clarified same a few posts on.

Also absolute lol at end of the road thanking your posts blindly even though you openly admit on thread to pretty much hating Travellers. That's a good one.

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