Airbnb is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

09-08-2018 10:26AM #1

Lots of friends and family are on holiday at the moment everywhere from Ireland to Romania all using Airbnb and having a great time, I would also add glamping as a great invention after a relative sent me a video of the teepee they were staying in. Air bnb will get you to places a hotel would never be, a rural lakeside beach or beside hiking trails in the mountains. We stayed in a great Airbnb in Wales that had a hot tub on the balcony overlooking a river great experience.

So Airbnb a great example of human ingenuity?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-08-2018 10:28AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Lots of friends and family are on holiday at the moment everywhere from Ireland to Romania all using Airbnb and having a great time, I would also add glamping as a great invention after a relative sent me a video of the teepee they were staying in. Air bnb will get you to places a hotel would never be, a rural lakeside beach or beside hiking trails in the mountains.

So Airbnb a great example of human ingenuity?

.... not if you're looking for a reasonable long-term rental in a popular city.

Fr_Dougal · 09-08-2018 10:30AM

Air bnb is partly responsible for the high cost of rental accommodation in Dublin.

Hope you’re happy.

Hitman3000 · 09-08-2018 10:30AM

mariaalice wrote:

So Airbnb a great example of human ingenuity?

If you live beside one you might have a different opinion.

Badly Drunk Boy · 09-08-2018 10:32AM

I've seen some disaster stories about it on the telly. People letting out their place, only to have the 'renter' have a party and have the place smashed up. And then Air bnb don't help afterwards, using some small print in their contract to release any liability.

megaten · 09-08-2018 10:32AM

mariaalice wrote: »

So Airbnb a great example of human ingenuity?

It's grand in some ways like being a central place for stuff like holidays homes on a platform that encourages the owner to interact with customers but as others have said it creates a big problem in cities as it takes housing off the market for people actually living there.

09-08-2018 10:36AM

Don't agree with it being used as an unstaffed hotel in cities, but that could be managed with regulation.

Wheety · 09-08-2018 10:37AM

While some of the places on it are just apartments in cities and are competing with private renters, there are some amazing places for rent on it which would never have been available to private renters on a full time basis.

I always check it out first now if i'm going somewhere. There's always something different.

Guy:Incognito · 09-08-2018 10:54AM

Are they having a great time because they are on holiday or because of the building their beds are in?

My bet is if they were in a normal hotel they'd be enjoying their holidays too.

Edgware · 09-08-2018 11:01AM

There will be the occasional horror story as there will about the troublesome guests in the next hotel room to you. There are some fantastic places available in the biggest cities in the world.
In Ireland we are trying to expand the tourist industry but have not the necessary accommodation. As a result house/apartment owners are taking up the option of going the Airbnb route. In addition the tax levied on general rental income is encouraging landlords to leave the business

Deise Vu · 09-08-2018 11:01AM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I've seen some disaster stories about it on the telly. People letting out their place, only to have the 'renter' have a party and have the place smashed up. And then Air bnb don't help afterwards, using some small print in their contract to release any liability.

In fairness Hotel rooms get thrashed too and I doubt the Hotels have any comeback on ebookers or trip advisor or whatever platform was used to book it.

AirBnB does have a review system. The landlord does a review of you as a tenant and the only way you can see it is when you do a review of them. I think it works great, the visitor needs to be careful not to pee off the landlord or they be will be effectively blackballed from future rents and the Landlord has to be conscious of the fact that nearly every tenant will do a review. This keeps standards up on both sides I think. Also the tenant has to provide photo ID so multiple registration is made more difficult.

I used AirBnB for this years summer holidays with great trepidation. It turns out none of the photos were photo shopped and all the descriptions of location etc were spot on. I stayed in 5 different locations, all of them top notch for about €800 less than I paid for a poxy caravan in France two years ago.

Hitman3000 · 09-08-2018 11:05AM

Deise Vu wrote:

In fairness Hotel rooms get thrashed too and I doubt the Hotels have any comeback on ebookers or trip advisor or whatever platform was used to book it.

Actually if you check into a hotel they will ask for your credit card upon checkin. Trash the place and you will be charged.

TomSweeney · 09-08-2018 11:07AM

Air BNB is cancer, I would never support the c*nts.
I have seen Barcelona being RUINED over this f*cking cancer.
Enjoy your holiday in Barcelona while families have to move out to f*cking Sabadell ... hope you get pickpocketed ta f*ck!

Yer Da sells Avon · 09-08-2018 11:08AM

mariaalice wrote: »

So Airbnb a great example of human ingenuity?

A great example of individuals looking after themselves, at the expense of society as a whole.

Mike Hoch · 09-08-2018 11:11AM

Can someone explain something to me?

5 years ago, if I wanted to turn my home into a guesthouse, I presume I'd need public liability insurance, some sort of fire safety sign off, register with Bord Failte perhaps. Perhaps even planning permission to turn my residence into a business (not sure about this one).

How come this all goes out the window with Air BnB?

Similarly, in the vast majority of the Western world, it was and is illegal for a non licenced person to hang about outside nightspots, or leaflet their locale with their mobile number offering a taxi service. Anyone operating a taxi would require the equivalent of a PSV licence, public liability insurance, a clearly marked and registered taxi, a meter conforming to industry agreed rates etc etc etc. Start up costs that probably cost an arm and a leg- they certainly do in this country.

How is it that in many countries one can run an Uber with normal insurance and a regular driving licence?

I don't understand how terms like short term rental and ride sharing can be used to describe a full time business.

Wheety · 09-08-2018 11:26AM

Mike Hoch wrote: »

Can someone explain something to me?

5 years ago, if I wanted to turn my home into a guesthouse, I presume I'd need public liability insurance, some sort of fire safety sign off, register with Bord Failte perhaps. Perhaps even planning permission to turn my residence into a business (not sure about this one).

How come this all goes out the window with Air BnB?

Similarly, in the vast majority of the Western world, it was and is illegal for a non licenced person to hang about outside nightspots, or leaflet their locale with their mobile number offering a taxi service. Anyone operating a taxi would require the equivalent of a PSV licence, public liability insurance, a clearly marked and registered taxi, a meter conforming to industry agreed rates etc etc etc. Start up costs that probably cost an arm and a leg- they certainly do in this country.

How is it that in many countries one can run an Uber with normal insurance and a regular driving licence?

I don't understand how terms like short term rental and ride sharing can be used to describe a full time business.

Uber is causing huge issues in most cities it operates in. It doesn't operate it's normal business in the UK and I don't think they're here at all as there is regulation on carrying passengers for reward.

AirBnB was initially for letting out a bed in your house. People renting out entire premises are going against this. I know DCC are trying to clamp down on people renting an apartment on AirBnB full time. How they don't need a licence, I don't know.

trellheim · 09-08-2018 11:31AM

Headquartered here in Ireland arent they, beside Shelbourne dog track ?

Pauliedragon · 09-08-2018 11:38AM

Wheety wrote: »

Uber is causing huge issues in most cities it operates in. It doesn't operate it's normal business in the UK and I don't think they're here at all as there is regulation on carrying passengers for reward.

AirBnB was initially for letting out a bed in your house. People renting out entire premises are going against this. I know DCC are trying to clamp down on people renting an apartment on AirBnB full time. How they don't need a licence, I don't know.

I used uber all the time in Sydney and it was great. There was issues with things like insurance and the taxi drivers weren't happy but it's legal now and I'd use it over a taxi every day of the week.

jester77 · 09-08-2018 11:43AM

It depends, in one way they are great, in another not so great.

I rented a place in the hills of Tuscany last month and it was fantastic, looking down on a vineyard with a view over the sea. In such cases it really is great, you have all these options in a central search directory.

However, then you have the greedy landlords in the cities that abuse it and are taking away potential homes for city dwellers. This is the negative side of it. Of course AirBnB are making money from this and will turn a blind eye.

zell12 · 09-08-2018 11:51AM

Full unit rentals on AirBnb need planning permission.
But Councils just don't bother enforcing it, despite complaints.

09-08-2018 11:52AM

jester77 wrote: »

It depends, in one way they are great, in another not so great.

I rented a place in the hills of Tuscany last month and it was fantastic, looking down on a vineyard with a view over the sea. In such cases it really is great, you have all these options in a central search directory.

However, then you have the greedy landlords in the cities that abuse it and are taking away potential homes for city dwellers. This is the negative side of it. Of course AirBnB are making money from this and will turn a blind eye.

But why is the landlord who does this defined as greedy ?

If I own a property and find that I can make a better income (to cover the repayments) from it, with less hassle using AirBnB than letting it out the traditional way then why shouldn't they do it.

It's a bit like saying why should a person that already has a job take on a second job for extra income to pay the mortgage and not leave it to an unemoyed person to have the second job.

You and I have no idea of the finincial situation of people who rent out using AirBnB.

Ulysses Gaze · 09-08-2018 11:58AM

trellheim wrote: »

Headquartered here in Ireland arent they, beside Shelbourne dog track ?

Yes and looking to double their workforce in the next 5 years.

Don't expect the Government to rein them in at all.

Ulysses Gaze · 09-08-2018 11:59AM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I used uber all the time in Sydney and it was great. There was issues with things like insurance and the taxi drivers weren't happy but it's legal now and I'd use it over a taxi every day of the week.

Uber = Competition for taxi drivers.

And we can't be having that now, can we?

valoren · 09-08-2018 12:02PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I've seen some disaster stories about it on the telly. People letting out their place, only to have the 'renter' have a party and have the place smashed up. And then Air bnb don't help afterwards, using some small print in their contract to release any liability.

Does it not include a feedback function akin to eBay for example?
Where providers can leave feedback on the lodgers?

If you were going to use it then you'd need to use your PPS/national id to prevent people making multiple accounts.

trellheim · 09-08-2018 12:08PM

But why is the landlord who does this defined as greedy ?

If I own a property and find that I can make a better income (to cover the repayments) from it, with less hassle using AirBnB than letting it out the traditional way then why shouldn't they do it.

It's a bit like saying why should a person that already has a job take on a second job for extra income to pay the mortgage and not leave it to an unemoyed person to have the second job.

You and I have no idea of the finincial situation of people who rent out using AirBnB.

No, but its income , and not sideline income for many people. Always wondered what the tax position is for many airbnb landlords, and if Revenue received RSI numbers and gross income from Airbnb what would happen

Will I Am Not · 09-08-2018 12:11PM

It’s a well known fact that upwards of 90% of AirBnb hosts are depraved perverts that stream your nudey business on the dark web by way of hidden cameras.

Samuel T. Cogley · 09-08-2018 12:18PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Air bnb is partly responsible for the high cost of rental accommodation in Dublin.

Hope you’re happy.

Partly as in a tiny part. There's about 300 units in Dublin, converting them back to full time rentals would be a drop in the ocean and mean less tourism money being spent in Dublin.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

If you live beside one you might have a different opinion.

We've a number in our development and as a director I'm aware of only one complaint relating to wear and tear. Noise etc. they're no worse, probably better than long term tenants.

trellheim wrote: »

No, but its income , and not sideline income for many people. Always wondered what the tax position is for many airbnb landlords, and if Revenue received RSI numbers and gross income from Airbnb what would happen

I'm fully compliant and paying more tax than when it was a long term rental. I have heard that some people seem to have this ridiculous notion that Airbnb is not subject to tax though.

Personally I didn't see why I should let my property at 50% below market rate so went the Airbnb route once my tenants (who I was happy to keep the rental lower but not to some randomer I've never met) moved out. I'm also not taking the risk of having someone move in, not pay the rent and it take 2 years and 20K to get ride of them.

Until legilstion is brought in re Airbnb and/or legislation is brought in to deal with delinquant tenants the sector will continue to hemerage small time LL's and all your be left with is large REITs charging huge rents becuase they stuck a gym in the place in choice locations.

As for holidays, I use Airbnb and it's fecking brilliant. Ended up staying in the grounds of an old mannor house in Italy - it was amazing and relatively cheap.

Samuel T. Cogley · 09-08-2018 12:18PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

It’s a well known fact that upwards of 90% of AirBnb hosts are depraved perverts that stream your nudey business on the dark web by way of hidden cameras.

Atleast 98% of us.

09-08-2018 12:20PM

Airbnb's have to pay tax and can get insurance.

In Rome, Seville city's like that I would get a hotel. A city like Zadar an Airbnb.

Running an Airbnb in rural Sligo has no connection to the housing issues in Dublin the same in Rural Romania Airbnb has expanded the tourism market in a lot of areas.

Hitman3000 · 09-08-2018 12:20PM

Samuel T. Cogley wrote:

Atleast 98% of us.

The other 2% haven't figured out how to turn on the equipment yet....but they will.

09-08-2018 12:21PM

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Atleast 98% of us.

What are the other 2% doing :pac:

Airbnb is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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