Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

thetimeisnow · 08-08-2018 11:08AM

Woodword and the Glaziers are a ****ing stain on our great club, all they care about is business. Finishing in the top 4 is good enough because it generates profits, the extra cash we might get by winning the PL or CL is offset by the cash they would have to invest to make us competitive enough to have a chance of doing it and since there are no guarantees they wont bother . Jose gives them the best chance of finishing in the Top 4 because of his pragmatic style. Id love to wake some morning to hear they have all been killed in a plane crash

Julez · 08-08-2018 11:11AM

thetimeisnow wrote: »

Woodword and the Glaziers are a ****ing stain on our great club, all they care about is business. Finishing in the top 4 is good enough because it generates profits, the extra cash we might get by winning the PL or CL is offset by the cash they would have to invest to make us competitive enough to have a chance of doing it and since there are no guarantees they wont bother . Jose gives them the best chance of finishing in the Top 4 because of his pragmatic style. Id love to wake some morning to hear they have all been killed in a plane crash

Cantona's Collars · 08-08-2018 11:12AM

How long does it take to negotiate these deals? It's not as if Ed decided the other morning to ring Chivas and have a chat about sponsorship, this deal was probably done ages ago but only announced this morning.
People might whinge about priorities but without these deals,the club wouldn't be in such a healthy financial position.
Regards players, there's a type that Jose likes and that's not exactly a comprehensive list. The club isn't signing players just for the sake of it or to keep some fella in Ireland happy.
Any right winger mentioned isn't "a Jose player",yes I'm annoyed at the prospect of Valencia dancing over the ball next season but the player I'd have liked to see there wanted City. It's not as if the club can kidnap players.

KH25 · 08-08-2018 11:16AM

thetimeisnow wrote: »

Woodword and the Glaziers are a ****ing stain on our great club, all they care about is business. Finishing in the top 4 is good enough because it generates profits, the extra cash we might get by winning the PL or CL is offset by the cash they would have to invest to make us competitive enough to have a chance of doing it and since there are no guarantees they wont bother . Jose gives them the best chance of finishing in the Top 4 because of his pragmatic style. Id love to wake some morning to hear they have all been killed in a plane crash

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Fall_Guy · 08-08-2018 11:17AM

bangkok wrote: »

He has given him almost everything he has wanted since he joined.

Are you of the opinion that the board should stop backing Jose in the transfer market at this point?

They needed to either back him or sack him this Summer, if no new signing arrive they have done neither, and the club will be the worse for it.

StringerBell · 08-08-2018 11:21AM

The transfer window has been a bust, not done enough to have a proper title challenge. This is what we all want right? A title challenge, I have no fears of dropping out of top 4 or anything else that I would consider "end of the world stuff brother" but it is very disappointing to not capitalise on the best finish we have had in years.

Even getting players in on deadline day or whatever if it happens doesn't actually save the window as those players have not had a pre season to blend in with the squad (Dalot is in this category also) we needed to hit the ground running to seriously put it up to City and I can't see any way that happens now over the first few games, exasperated by the WC guys also not having much a pre season, but they have been playing a lot so shouldn't be as much of an issue.

Anyway, Pogba to have a good season and United to show they are still the second best team in the league is my feeling. Hopefully the style is pleasing as that will soften the blow of no progress for the first time under Jose and pacify those who want him gone going on what they prioritise.

Lord TSC · 08-08-2018 11:24AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Even getting players in on deadline day or whatever if it happens doesn't actually save the window as those players have not had a pre season to blend in with the squad

Agree with the rest of your post, but would add that Toby, for example, presumably wouldn't have joined up till now either way, right? I'm presuming that given Lukaku and Fellaini only seem back now. Same with Maguire, who I think Leicester have said will be missing for them tomorrow.

Giggsy11 · 08-08-2018 11:26AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Agree with the rest of your post, but would add that Toby, for example, presumably wouldn't have joined up till now either way, right? I'm presuming that given Lukaku and Fellaini only seem back now. Same with Maguire, who I think Leicester have said will be missing for them tomorrow.

Yeah signing Toby wouldn't have changed much as he just joined the training. Same if we sign Perisic also, or like you said Maguire.

limnam · 08-08-2018 11:30AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Sometimes get tempted to start a "Man United Positivity Train Superthread" :pac:

Badly needed.

Drumpot · 08-08-2018 11:33AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

And imo Jose wanted 5 players this summer and in terms of the first team has got two. And he wanted full backs last summer and was told the budget was t there for it.

If inflation is included then none of the Glazers signings or transfer spend is impressive on any level in comparison to the clubs ambitions pre Glazer.

United Signed Rio Ferdinand for £30mil back in 2001. Since then club value and tv money has gone up over 5 times that figure. Uniteds most expensive signing has gone up 3 times that initial figure. Conservatively you could say that Rio would cost in the modern day £130-£150mil, about the same as it might cost to buy Varane. The season before they bought Rio, the club spent nearly £50mil on Ruud and Veron which would take that summers spend to over £250mil on two players.

The clubs on field ambitions haven't matched those of the 90s early 00s since the Glazers took over but that's to be expected. As soon as people focusing purely on profit took over it was never going to be the same. Had SAF retired in 07/08 the club would of collapsed under debt but history shows that Ferguson was able to do work his magic even in circumstances like selling Ronaldo and buying Valencia. The success on the field allowed the Glazers to hide in the backround while taking massive funds out of the club.

Woodward works for the Glazers, not for the Man United fans So the main question is what is his motive ? Who is Woodward trying to please , the owners or the fans ? Why should the Glazers care about on field top honours ? What evidence over the last 5 years suggests its imperative for league/champions league success for the club to grow in value ? They only need win the odd league/champions league and keep United in the hunt for trophies .

Why do United fans even care about getting "value for money" on a signing ? I don't care what it costs for united to get a managers target. The club supposedly is the most valuable in the world so its going to have to pay more for players. That's just the way it is so I don't understand why people buy the "yeh Woody needs to negotiate better deals" narrative. Its not a secret that United has a lot of money, every other club knows Uniteds value. The club is worth over £3billion and is worth more then any club in the world and yet its fans somehow convinced themselves that they need to be frugal when buying players?

Get the players the manager needs and move on. Woodward isn't levy and shouldn't be hamstrung financially like a smaller club if the on field ambitions truly are to be as big on the pitch as the club is off it.

Giggsy11 · 08-08-2018 11:34AM

****ing hell, same **** different day. It's like it's saved in notepad and every day it is copy pasted.

Drumpot · 08-08-2018 11:38AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

****ing hell, same **** different day. It's like it's saved in notepad and every day it is copy pasted.

Ha, its like you are waiting around for me to post . .

Why do you care ? What's wrong with pointing out the motives of the owners ? Do you not think this does have relevance to the state of the club or are the owners just passive observers with no control over the club ?

Giggsy11 · 08-08-2018 11:39AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Ha, its like you are waiting around for me to post . .

Why do you care ? What's wrong with pointing out the motives of the owners ? Do you not think this does have relevance to the state of the club or are the owners just passive observers with no control over the club >

I care because I have to scroll down a lot to bypass your posts and tbh I don't read any of your posts except fist line as it's obvious what will follow next.

Everything is assumptions and bs theories, like how Jose is given players to work with, none of the players are his signings and all that.

Good day.

thegreengoblin · 08-08-2018 11:48AM

thetimeisnow wrote: »

Woodword and the Glaziers are a ****ing stain on our great club, all they care about is business. Finishing in the top 4 is good enough because it generates profits, the extra cash we might get by winning the PL or CL is offset by the cash they would have to invest to make us competitive enough to have a chance of doing it and since there are no guarantees they wont bother . Jose gives them the best chance of finishing in the Top 4 because of his pragmatic style. Id love to wake some morning to hear they have all been killed in a plane crash

A plane crash you say?

Drumpot · 08-08-2018 11:52AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I care because I have to scroll down a lot to bypass your posts and tbh I don't read any of your posts except fist line as it's obvious what will follow next.

Everything is assumptions and bs theories, like how Jose is given players to work with, none of the players are his signings and all that.

Good day.

rob316 · 08-08-2018 11:54AM

thetimeisnow wrote: »

Woodword and the Glaziers are a ****ing stain on our great club, all they care about is business. Finishing in the top 4 is good enough because it generates profits, the extra cash we might get by winning the PL or CL is offset by the cash they would have to invest to make us competitive enough to have a chance of doing it and since there are no guarantees they wont bother . Jose gives them the best chance of finishing in the Top 4 because of his pragmatic style. Id love to wake some morning to hear they have all been killed in a plane crash

:pac: Jesus lad, hate to know how you feel about someone actually impacting your life. Its a game, take a breath.

pjohnson · 08-08-2018 11:55AM

rob316 · 08-08-2018 11:58AM

Reality is though, you have to back Jose or sack him otherwise he will turn the atmosphere toxic. He has no interest in playing no.2 to City and Pep.

brinty · 08-08-2018 12:00PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yeah, like bloody women, eh? Amirite? Must be on their periods? Eh?

Totally unreasonable to criticise a club for not showing the ambition to win a title. As long as we have highly paid players who might some day come good, and sponsors providing cash for the owners, that's all we can ask for. Screw looking at the weaknesses of the team and wanting them to be resolved.

Only women on their periods would be like that, eh!?

Business Cat wrote: »

I didn't know you were of the fairer sex Mitch.

Have you met Brinty?

oh wow... so we now know we have four female posters on the group

Mars Bar
Cookie Dough
FutureGirl and
..............
Mitch Connor...

Founding out Mitch is a female is like a new signing to me

deaddonkey15 · 08-08-2018 12:03PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

****ing hell, same **** different day. It's like it's saved in notepad and every day it is copy pasted.

My thoughts exactly. A solid month at this stage of the same post over and over again.

bangkok · 08-08-2018 12:04PM

I thought this new thread was meant to be a new start with a bit of positivity.... only a day old and already decended into chaos.....

Imagine we dont win on friday!!!

Green_Martian · 08-08-2018 12:08PM

thetimeisnow wrote: »

Woodword and the Glaziers are a ****ing stain on our great club, all they care about is business. Finishing in the top 4 is good enough because it generates profits, the extra cash we might get by winning the PL or CL is offset by the cash they would have to invest to make us competitive enough to have a chance of doing it and since there are no guarantees they wont bother . Jose gives them the best chance of finishing in the Top 4 because of his pragmatic style. Id love to wake some morning to hear they have all been killed in a plane crash

MODs Ban this clown!!!

No self respecting United fan would every make a comment like you have regarding people being killed in a plane crash.

Cop on you fool, I get you are frustrated with the club ownership, many of us are, but there is no need for a comment like that.

Lord TSC · 08-08-2018 12:08PM

Giggsy11 · 08-08-2018 12:09PM

Hopefully we appoint DoF, way too many signings are needed whenever manager is sacked. We changed almost entire 11 for Van Gaal, now we did it for Jose.

Also it's about time we appoint football men between Woodward and manager. Woodward is just a money man, need someone who has good network and signs players as per coach's request.

pjohnson · 08-08-2018 12:10PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Hococop · 08-08-2018 12:12PM

28 hours left before the window closes, I'd say we are done for this window

pjohnson · 08-08-2018 12:14PM

Hococop wrote: »

28 hours left before the window closes, I'd say we are done for this window

Nonsense. In 4 hours Woody will bust out an 80m bid for Maguire to save the season.

We've been here before with Moyes.

Whatsisname · 08-08-2018 12:14PM

Green_Martian · 08-08-2018 12:14PM

Lets all be honest with ourselves, who can say they are happy with this Transfer window?

Absolutely shocking from United who seem to be more interested in signing new sponsorship deals to guarantee money flowing into the club rather than actually spending money on players to win leagues and cups, which btw will be bring in additional income seen as that's what they are after.

Everyone knows we have needed a CB or even 2, a CM and a striker/winger.

What have we signed so far, a young full back and a goalkeeper :rolleyes: Oh and Fred

Lord TSC · 08-08-2018 12:14PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

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