Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018/2019 [Mod note 31-Aug-18]

limnam · 07-08-2018 10:33PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

plenty of people,PLENTY of people have made it to the first team and have had champions league appearances and disappeared into the ether.

Stop with the nonsensical dribble

Lovern was in a final!

duffman13 · 07-08-2018 10:38PM

Ilovethe bonesofyou wrote: »

I'm sorry but :pac:

It's not as bad the fella in another superthread who knew by looking into a players eyes if he could cut the mustard. That was excellent

adox · 07-08-2018 10:38PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Or he could be basing it on the manager's comments regarding him as the best young full back in Europe for his age.

Plenty of others here setting up their "main course" as you put it too. Expect the "Jose wasn't backed" excuse after any and all sh*t performances over the coming season.

I’m somewhere in the middle on this. The squad is not good enough to challenge for the league this season and more additions should have been made.

However the putrid football is at Jose’s door.

It’s all pretty depressing from where I’m sitting.

Trigger · 07-08-2018 10:41PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Or he could be basing it on the manager's comments regarding him as the best young full back in Europe for his age.

Plenty of others here setting up their "main course" as you put it too. Expect the "Jose wasn't backed" excuse after any and all sh*t performances over the coming season.

“Dalot will surprise a lot of people” “he just looks ready”

That sounds like something someone who has extensively scouted the player would say not someone who bases it on the above.

07-08-2018 10:45PM

limnam wrote: »

Feck it...

New thread and I'm going to jump on the city band wagon.

How good is pep?

You were actually the first one to mention City or Pep in this new thread, let alone post such a photo.

Trigger · 07-08-2018 10:46PM

Possibly what Kew was talking about

https://twitter.com/maddockmirror/status/1026946581977817088?s=21

07-08-2018 10:48PM

This cheered me right up :P

https://twitter.com/Vintage_Utd/status/1026921194459684865?s=19

Zeek12 · 07-08-2018 10:48PM

No chance Levy will budge for just £40M

limnam · 07-08-2018 10:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You were actually the first one to mention City or Pep in this new thread, let alone post such a photo.

It was two pages old.

Some sort of record.

deaddonkey15 · 07-08-2018 10:49PM

astradave wrote: »

“Dalot will surprise a lot of people” “he just looks ready”

That sounds like something someone who has extensively scouted the player would say not someone who bases it on the above.

Or just sounds like something someone who is optimistic about the player would say.

07-08-2018 10:51PM

Yes to Toby, no to Mina.

Plus, why sign another CB who isn't exactly what we need? Jose chose to sign Bailly and Lindelof, plus he seems to rate Rojo, Smalling and Jones to some extent.

'The club cannot continue stockpiling defenders' - Whether Woodward actually said it or not, the sentiment is true. Signing two defenders at this stage, especially if one is Mina, would be overkill.

07-08-2018 10:51PM

astradave wrote: »

Possibly what Kew was talking about

https://twitter.com/maddockmirror/status/1026946581977817088?s=21

Who's David Maddock, ah Dave not again.....

bangkok · 07-08-2018 10:52PM

astradave wrote: »

“Dalot will surprise a lot of people” “he just looks ready”

That sounds like something someone who has extensively scouted the player would say not someone who bases it on the above.

he was very good when he played against liverpool and he wasnt even playing on his strong side.

strong in the air, fast, well built, and going by comments here a lot dont think he is up to much so thats why i said i think he will surprise a few people

Trigger · 07-08-2018 10:59PM

Fred The Red wrote: »

Who's David Maddock, ah Dave not again.....

He’s the Manchester Reporter for the Mirror, he’s usually pretty on the ball with City, has been pretty decent with United news since last summer too

BenK · 07-08-2018 11:10PM

bangkok wrote: »

... going by comments here a lot dont think he is up to much so thats why i said i think he will surprise a few people

Don't think anyone actually thinks that or said they think that. He's a young, relatively untested player at the required level, simple as that. That he's regarded as having a lot of potential is great- he could be the next Cafu, but just as easily he could be the next Luke Shaw...

07-08-2018 11:12PM

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Or just sounds like something someone who is optimistic about the player would say.

I was going to say, it's actually much easier to read someone being optimistic about something here at this stage rather than the doom and gloom. It's the start of a new season and all anyone can talk about on here is how much better Liverpool are than United.

United still have a very good squad and for the first time in a few years will have players in the most important positions who have more than 12 months experience together for the most part so should look better. I just have a good feeling about this season once the other players from the WC get up to speed.

adox · 07-08-2018 11:14PM

Zeek12 wrote: »

No chance Levy will budge for just £40M

I think it’s a no brainer for them after probably playing hardball.

Less than two days left. Take £40 million for a player who the manager most likely won’t play and has shown the club can manage without, or refuse and be stuck with him until January at least and lose him for a hell of a lot less or worse for noth8ng in the summer.

If he was a regular last season then maybe there’s a case but Levy won’t cut off his nose to spite his face. Cash in the chips when you can.

Utd have left it this long that I think they should hold their nerve now and they’ll get the player.

markcahill1985 · 07-08-2018 11:17PM

Pogba desperate to leave according to Chris Wheeler of the mail. Feel it's a gigantic 40 or so hours for the club.

bangkok · 07-08-2018 11:18PM

Liam O wrote: »

I was going to say, it's actually much easier to read someone being optimistic about something here at this stage rather than the doom and gloom. It's the start of a new season and all anyone can talk about on here is how much better Liverpool are than United.

United still have a very good squad and for the first time in a few years will have players in the most important positions who have more than 12 months experience together for the most part so should look better. I just have a good feeling about this season once the other players from the WC get up to speed.

Defo, we have a very good squad

De gea
Bailly
Matic
Fred
Pogba
Sanchez
Lukaku
Lingard
Rashford
Mata
Martial

Looking forward to fri night

DM_7 · 07-08-2018 11:20PM

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Pogba desperate to leave according to Chris Wheeler of the mail. Feel it's a gigantic 40 or so hours for the club.

Wow the north west guy from the mail. Sounds legit.

bangkok · 07-08-2018 11:20PM

BenK wrote: »

Don't think anyone actually thinks that or said they think that. He's a young, relatively untested player at the required level, simple as that. That he's regarded as having a lot of potential is great- he could be the next Cafu, but just as easily he could be the next Luke Shaw...

Sorry for being positive at the start of the new thread aka "the positivity thread"

Mitch Connor · 07-08-2018 11:23PM

Madda k had a really bad article lately didn't he? Either it was demonstrably BS or racist.... Can't remember which.

Edit: I'm wrong. Thinking of someone else.

fatherted1969 · 07-08-2018 11:24PM

astradave wrote: »

Possibly what Kew was talking about

https://twitter.com/maddockmirror/status/1026946581977817088?s=21

I think it makes sense as long as no other club is in for him. Lose 15M + a years wages on a player who doesn't want to be there. If a second club came in it could drive the price up but if he's saying he wants Utd and Utd are offering only 40M it makes sense

BenK · 07-08-2018 11:25PM

bangkok wrote: »

Sorry for being positive at the start of the new thread aka "the positivity thread"

I wasn't knocking you for being positive, no harm in that at all!

Mitch Connor · 07-08-2018 11:29PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

I think it makes sense as long as no other club is in for him. Lose 15M + a years wages on a player who doesn't want to be there. If a second club came in it could drive the price up but if he's saying he wants Utd and Utd are offering only 40M it makes sense

Theyve not bought a replacement though, and don't look to be. Surely they'd be looking for a replacement backup if they were minded to sell.

BenK · 07-08-2018 11:30PM

Not that's it's especially looking like it's going to happen or anything but would people be satisfied with United's transfer business if Toby was signed?

Personally I think it would be a reasonable window, far from great but not a total disaster either.

A left back and right winger are needed but at least a couple of crucial areas of the first team would have been addressed...

Mitch Connor · 07-08-2018 11:34PM

BenK wrote: »

Not that's it's especially looking like it's going to happen or anything but would people be satisfied with United's transfer business if Toby was signed?

Personally I think it would be a reasonable window, far from great but not a total disaster either.

A left back and right winger are needed but at least a couple of crucial areas of the first team would have been addressed...

No. Our attack issues and the lack of proper width would not have been addresses by either signing a top full back or winger. Which means another season of predictably congested matches, cause everything must come from central areas.

Also means we will continue to under utilise Lukaku.

IncognitoMan · 07-08-2018 11:52PM

Right now I think

Pros:

Pogba has had a world cup winning summer so we should be looking for that to kick him on. I don't think the amount of criticism he gets at times is fair but he definitely has room to improve.

Sanchez simply has to be better than he was from January. A full summer resting and hopefully decent game management will see him fresh for the season. Looked good in bits on pre season.

Pereira could be the real breakout player in the league this season. I think the lad has almost everything in his locker. Very excited to see how he gets on.

Still have the best Goalkeeper in the league (probably world). Now it looks like Real will get Courtois which in turn should officially end their interest in ever signing De Gea. A massive win for the club.

Lukaku looks like a player who is getting better and better each season. Seems like a guy who loves learning and improving. I expect an even better season from him.

Rashford being handed the number 10 shirt has to be a sign of faith in him. Another player who I expect to have an even better season.

Fred looks an excellent singing. Often our midfield was slow and ponderous and he looks like the perfect type of player to improve that side. Should take some of the creative burden off Pogba along with Pereira.

Cons:

Fullbacks. Both sides. It's not great at all. Valencia is solid but has forgotten how to cross a ball so offers no threat. Young is always going to favour the cut back onto his right foot. Shaw who I've wanted to take his chance now for so long is starting to look like he never will.
If we had top quality full backs Lukaku would get another 10 a season from quality delivery.

Also for center back I wish Bailly could stay fit. Him and Lindelof could have a great partnership but they need to be on the pitch together for that to happen. Sadly when Bailly inevitably gets injured we're down to Smalling and Jones. Who will always be a level below what our starting center backs should be.

Martial looks like he's heading out the door which is a massive shame because there's an unbelievable player in there and I fear we'll regret this move quickly.

There needed to be a right sided attacker added this summer along with a back up for Lukaku. None of those look like happening.

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All in all I think we're heading for a very similar season to last. 3 months ago I thought we'd be in a much stronger position than we have ended up at the end of this window which is disappointing to say the least.

It's not impossible that City drop down a level or 2 this season. It's very difficult to keep a high standard like that up. That's our best shot at the league now I feel because we simply haven't done enough to close the gap to what they were last season.

Still roll on Friday, I'm looking forward to seeing how we set up and to see Fred and Pereira hopefully get starts. Should he beating Leicester at home.

DM_7 · 07-08-2018 11:54PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

No. Our attack issues and the lack of proper width would not have been addresses by either signing a top full back or winger. Which means another season of predictably congested matches, cause everything must come from central areas.

Also means we will continue to under utilise Lukaku.

While I agree, I am now looking at why that approach was not taken.

I think (maybe) a traditional idea of a wide player would not solve the problems on their own. I still think midfield is what was letting United down most in that it could not protect defence and free up attackers enough in games United are favourites. Herrera awful, Felliani injured, Pogba lost in a two man and McTominay really basic.

Putting a game together v a City or Liverpool is easy. Winning is not but an approach to the game is easier at times as if things are going well you can carry in a positive set up or when doubts exist, you can rely on stopping.

For the new season, I hope and expect more from the current team (now Fred is on board) when United are the ones playing a team focused first on stopping.

Pogba for example can now move towards the left and get ahead of the ball to become a greater attacking threat in a home game v a Burnley (for example). Lukaku can hopefully move around and make pockets of space for Sanchez to drift into. Maybe Rashford or Lingard can take up better positions closer to Big Rom to get more link play with the trio of Fred, Pogba and Matic.

Midfield is key imo, even more for a Jose side.

xtal191 · 08-08-2018 12:08AM

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Pogba desperate to leave according to Chris Wheeler of the mail. Feel it's a gigantic 40 or so hours for the club.

We'll be hearing the Pogba ****e until the end of August

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