Roseanne fired but Sarah Jeong hired?

Dave0301 · 07-08-2018 04:53PM

Malayalam wrote: »

I really hate the way there is a mob mentality on boards if someone disagrees. It becomes such an unpleasant ad hominen free for all, and usually makes me click the unfollow option. If someone - in this instance Brian? but it could be anyone - strongly agrees with a different point of view than the majority of posters, ie that there is some possibility that the tweets were satire in this case, then why pile in on top of him/her once people have clearly expressed their disagreement with him/her. I don't agree with the POV but okay it's allowed to exist. It may even be correct. The same happened in so many threads on important issues in the past - if someone or some few had a minority opinion they are basically hounded or shamed into silence. There is no room for ambivalence, nuance, dissent. I really dislike it. Obvious trolling is a different matter and fair game, but there has to be room for variance. Did you never hear, as you are going along defending an opinion and see someone elses argument, that small voice inside that says hmmm, there may be something in that?

Is the whole point of a discussion forum not to discuss though? Having opposing views is always a good thing, but if you have a minority opinion then you should not be surprised if you have to defend it.

I agree that it could be difficult for a poster to reply to every point raised, but if you can provide a logical, cohesive and well-reasoned opinion it should be applauded and respected, and it should help to mitigate the effect you are talking about.

Taytoland · 07-08-2018 05:07PM

Brian? wrote: »

As I said earlier, what really matters is if they back up the tweets elsewhere. In this case she hasn't.

So people can just say what they want then. I actually agree with you but so often we hear you aren't allowed to say "offensive" things.

Malayalam · 07-08-2018 05:09PM

professore wrote: »

Some do that, some just disagree with him. The former group are a bunch of idiots. He's well able to stand up for himself. As we all are. I don't think anyone can shame you into silence unless you have something to be ashamed of - which he doesn't BTW. I have a large voice listening to see if I might be wrong. In fact that's the whole point - otherwise I wouldn't engage at all and just broadcast my opinion. I like to learn. I learned about the origin of alt-right in this thread for example.

I remember on the 8th amendment I held a minority view - abortion limited by the constitution - and there were several strongly attacking me. Some did try to discuss in fairness.

Fair points. Most seem able to stand up for themselves but still it makes me feel squirmy. I had the same view as you on the 8th, strangely enough, and wouldn't have dreamed of subjecting myself to the abuse.

professore · 07-08-2018 05:10PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Why in God's name would she be invited to address Harvard Law ????

She's a Harvard Law graduate - hard to believe when you see the basement level of her journalism - or even the ridiculous speech she gives.

Malayalam · 07-08-2018 05:12PM

Dave0301 wrote: »

Is the whole point of a discussion forum not to discuss though? Having opposing views is always a good thing, but if you have a minority opinion then you should not be surprised if you have to defend it.

I agree that it could be difficult for a poster to reply to every point raised, but if you can provide a logical, cohesive and well-reasoned opinion it should be applauded and respected, and it should help to mitigate the effect you are talking about.

I totally agree. It's the snideness of tone that bugs me. Like writing (for example) Eh, Malayam? at the end of a point, or dragging up past opinions as if people are static lumps of lead who never vary. I often disagree with people in real life but I don't sneer at them and thankfully they don't sneer at me. At least to my face.

professore · 07-08-2018 05:15PM

Malayalam wrote: »

Fair points. Most seem able to stand up for themselves but still it makes me feel squirmy. I had the same view as you on the 8th, strangely enough, and wouldn't have dreamed of subjecting myself to the abuse.

I guess you have to. A lot of stuff I would debate on here I wouldn't dream of debating in public as it would be pointless. Here you can't be shouted down. Most people have good intentions at least.

07-08-2018 05:16PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Hey Omackeral
Fancy backing up what you said here about myself. Or was it nonsense?

I wouldn't consider you the worst offender by a long shot but you have had a tendency to thank the posters that do seem to excuse her racism. Below is an excerpt of a post you thanked which says the poster don't care what she said... even though it's racist to the core.

super_furry wrote: »

I don’t know her, don’t know of her or her work and I don’t really care about what she may have said a decade ago or however long it was.

professore · 07-08-2018 05:17PM

Malayalam wrote: »

I totally agree. It's the snideness of tone that bugs me. Like writing (for example) Eh, Malayam? at the end of a point, or dragging up past opinions as if people are static lumps of lead who never vary. I often disagree with people in real life but I don't sneer at them and thankfully they don't sneer at me. At least to my face.

Good point Malayalam. Some people are ignorant and it's all about ego and point scoring. The truth doesn't matter.

WinnyThePoo · 07-08-2018 05:26PM

Omackeral wrote: »

I wouldn't consider you the worst offender by a long shot but you have had a tendency to thank the posters that do seem to excuse her racism. Below is an excerpt of a post you thanked which says the poster don't care what she said... even though it's racist to the core.

awww you over care about 'likes' . So cute.

professore · 07-08-2018 05:27PM

Another thing that grinds my gears about this is that some posters assume the only reason Sarah Jeong is being criticised by the Serious Men of Boards (as one of them christened us) is because she is a woman and a feminist. Ehhh no. Roseanne is also a woman and a feminist (described as a working class feminist) but she isn't a sociopathic monster like Jeong. She might be uncultured but if my life was at risk in China I know who I'd want on my side.

professore · 07-08-2018 05:28PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

awww you over care about 'likes' . So cute.

@Malayalam snide quotes Exhibit A.

WinnyThePoo · 07-08-2018 05:31PM

professore wrote: »

@Malayalam snide quotes Exhibit A.

Are you sure you know what the word snide means? I know you where struggling with Alt right yesterday.

Venom · 07-08-2018 05:33PM

professore wrote: »

She's a Harvard Law graduate - hard to believe when you see the basement level of her journalism - or even the ridiculous speech she gives.

She's a small-time tech journalist that most people never heard of until her tweets came to light, so a rather odd choice to be invited to speak unless just for box-ticking imho. I would imagine that Harvard has lots of law graduates with much more impressive accomplishments to choose from.

07-08-2018 05:35PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

awww you over care about 'likes' . So cute.

Wouldn't expect much else from you Winny. Anything but address the issue. The thanks button can be used an indicator that you agree with a post by the way.

07-08-2018 05:37PM

professore wrote: »

@Malayalam snide quotes Exhibit A.

It's preposterous, it really is. I was asked to back up my post and viewpoint by that poster, which I did, and was met with childish jibes and nothing else. No counterpoint, no discussion, no offering. Is there any point even engaging with posters like that?

Venom · 07-08-2018 05:37PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Wouldn't expect much else from you Winny. Anything but address the issue. The thanks button can be used an indicator that you agree with a post by the way.

One of the things that bugs me about boards is having a "thanks" instead of a "like" button.

2 Scoops · 07-08-2018 05:39PM

Brian? wrote: »

You simply reposted the material she says is satire. Surely you can at least find a non Twitter source to prove your point.

Is she a journalist or comedian? Repeating the same "satire" for years on end would point towards the latter.

At least one non twitter source? There's a video of her at Harvard among her peers repeating the same sentiment

If you're looking for a source as in news source I found this article in nymag very fair which is hardly a right wing publication.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/sarah-jeong-new-york-times-anti-white-racism.html

07-08-2018 05:39PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Are you sure you know what the word snide means? I know you where struggling with Alt right yesterday.

If you're going to attempt to be a smart-arse, try using the correct spellings.

professore · 07-08-2018 05:41PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Are you sure you know what the word snide means? I know you where struggling with Alt right yesterday.

Exhibit B.

07-08-2018 05:41PM

professore wrote: »

Exhibit B.

Don't mind him/her, it was a perfectly cromulent use of the word.

WinnyThePoo · 07-08-2018 05:42PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Wouldn't expect much else from you Winny. Anything but address the issue. The thanks button can be used an indicator that you agree with a post by the way.

There is no issue with me liking that post.

That idiot has no effect on my life. There is no reason to get your undies in a mix and start naming posters who don't follow your world view.

#mustnameposterswhodontsharemyoutrage

07-08-2018 05:44PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

There is no issue with me liking that post.

That idiot has no effect on my life. There is no reason to get your undies in a mix and start naming posters who don't follow your world view.

#mustnameposterswhodontsharemyoutrage

More juvenile crap from you. What is it with you lot and undies and e-cocks and the like?

WinnyThePoo · 07-08-2018 05:45PM

Omackeral wrote: »

If you're going to attempt to be a smart-arse, try using the correct spellings.

Oh my god. The Spelling police are here!

WinnyThePoo · 07-08-2018 05:46PM

Omackeral wrote: »

More juvenile crap from you. What is it with you lot and undies and e-cocks and the like?

You lot?

07-08-2018 05:49PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Oh my god. The Spelling police are here!

Irony Police, if anything. You see, normally I wouldn't do that but you tried to belittle another poster and insinuate that they're dumb when you yourself couldn't even spell a four letter word correctly in your attempt to put him down.

Brian? · 07-08-2018 05:49PM

2 Scoops wrote: »

Is she a journalist or comedian? Repeating the same "satire" for years on end would point towards the latter.

At least one non twitter source? There's a video of her at Harvard among her peers repeating the same sentiment

If you're looking for a source as in news source I found this article in nymag very fair which is hardly a right wing publication.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/sarah-jeong-new-york-times-anti-white-racism.html

You seem to be missing my point. I want a source where she talks directly or writes about race. Not an article that is simply someone’s opinion on her tweets.

If she’s a man hating, racist journalist it shouldn’t be too hard to find. All I can find are more articles about her tweets and her blog. Her blog is clean.

07-08-2018 05:49PM

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You lot?

Yeah, it's satire. Don't sweat it.

Yer Da sells Avon · 07-08-2018 05:51PM

Omackeral wrote: »

More juvenile crap from you. What is it with you lot and undies and e-cocks and the like?

You take this stuff way, way too seriously.

Brian? · 07-08-2018 05:52PM

Malayalam wrote: »

I really hate the way there is a mob mentality on boards if someone disagrees. It becomes such an unpleasant ad hominen free for all, and usually makes me click the unfollow option. If someone - in this instance Brian? but it could be anyone - strongly agrees with a different point of view than the majority of posters, ie that there is some possibility that the tweets were satire in this case, then why pile in on top of him/her once people have clearly expressed their disagreement with him/her. I don't agree with the POV but okay it's allowed to exist. It may even be correct. The same happened in so many threads on important issues in the past - if someone or some few had a minority opinion they are basically hounded or shamed into silence. There is no room for ambivalence, nuance, dissent. I really dislike it. Obvious trolling is a different matter and fair game, but there has to be room for variance. Did you never hear, as you are going along defending an opinion and see someone elses argument, that small voice inside that says hmmm, there may be something in that?

I completely agree. I’m happy to defend my position though. I just don’t like the insults, I feel they drag ever thread off course.

I’ve been called a hypocrite and a spoofer today, which is better than usual.

07-08-2018 05:54PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

You take this stuff way, way too seriously.

Great input. Any more racists you'd like to excuse? Anything resembling a discussion? It is a discussion site after all. You made a holy show of yourself yesterday and it seems you've f*ck all else to offer with the exception of little digs and remarks. You should quit while you're behind.

Anyway, I'm a Serious Man of Boards so of course I take it seriously.

Roseanne fired but Sarah Jeong hired?

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