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Roseanne fired but Sarah Jeong hired?

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  • #362
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Ye, politics aside it just makes them look like idiots. Do they think they are going to gain support with this sort of stuff?



  • #363
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Brian? wrote: »
    I’m replying to multiple people here.

    If you’re going to be satirical, then you keep it up. It’s not as if the Onion stopped one day and reported the actual news.

    I think it’s believable that the tweets were satire. Does anyone have some articles or talks
    That show they weren’t satire?

    They definitely weren’t funny, even if they were meant as satire.

    Wouldn't it be unusual for any satirist to focus solely on one topic/group of people? Its stretching the bounds of credibility to suggest that's what she was doing. Is there any evidence ANYWHERE, that she stated this was satire BEFORE she ended up in bother over the tweets?


  • #364
    Ulysses Gaze
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    givyjoe wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be unusual for any satirist to focus solely on one topic/group of people? Its stretching the bounds of credibility to suggest that's what she was doing. Is there any evidence ANYWHERE, that she stated this was satire BEFORE she ended up in bother over the tweets?

    Satire for a few tweets - believable.

    "Satire" for months on end over a few years?



  • #365
    Brian?
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    givyjoe wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be unusual for any satirist to focus solely on one topic/group of people? Its stretching the bounds of credibility to suggest that's what she was doing. Is there any evidence ANYWHERE, that she stated this was satire BEFORE she ended up in bother over the tweets?

    Is there any evidence it wasn't satire?

    I asked earlier. She's a journalist. Surely there should be plenty of anti white bigotry outside Twitter if she's a racist.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #366
    givyjoe
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Is there any evidence it wasn't satire?

    I asked earlier. She's a journalist. Surely there should be plenty of anti white bigotry outside Twitter if she's a racist.

    If?!


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  • #367
    Brian?
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    Venom wrote: »
    You think its reasonable that someone posting such garbage for 6 years is just attempting satire!



    Does that apply to the likes of Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins or any other the other people who hold views the left disagree with? Pull the other one would ya.

    Both did a lot more than tweet.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #368
    Brian?
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    givyjoe wrote: »
    If?!

    You’re happy to condemn her based on her Twitter feed. I am not.

    I am not saying she isn’t racist.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #369
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be unusual for any satirist to focus solely on one topic/group of people? Its stretching the bounds of credibility to suggest that's what she was doing. Is there any evidence ANYWHERE, that she stated this was satire BEFORE she ended up in bother over the tweets?

    I don’t know.


    Her explanation is that She was attacked by people on Twitter and reacted by throwing their own language back at them. I find that entirely credible.

    That could be my own bias. But I really am trying to be reasonable her. I’m not actually taking a position, I want to know more.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #370
    2 Scoops
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    Brian? wrote: »
    What conservative. None of Trump, Shapiro or Spencer are conservatives.

    Are you for real? You've gone and done the same thing that you did with Jordan Peterson, which shows you up again of having no insight at all to the people you are criticizing. Preach preach preach without knowing anything about the people you are preaching about, that qualifies you for hypocrite status right there.


  • #371
    2 Scoops
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Is there any evidence it wasn't satire?

    I asked earlier. She's a journalist. Surely there should be plenty of anti white bigotry outside Twitter if she's a racist.

    Why don't you try actually reading the thread? This was previously posted.



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  • #372
    Call Me Jimmy
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    Such deadpan delivery


  • #373
    Brian?
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    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Are you for real? You've gone and done the same thing that you did with Jordan Peterson, which shows you up again of having no insight at all to the people you are criticizing. Preach preach preach without knowing anything about the people you are preaching about, that qualifies you for hypocrite status right there.

    I admitted I was wrong about Peterson being a conservative, about 2 minutes afte saying it. Why drag that over here? It doesn’t matter to me if he is or isn’t.

    I wouldn’t consider Shapiro a conservative. Possibly I’m wrong. He’s only too happy to advocate for government interference in social issues. Which isn’t very conservative to me.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #374
    Brian?
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    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Why don't you try actually reading the thread? This was previously posted.


    I replied to that earlier. Why don’t you try actually reading the thread?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #375
    givyjoe
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    Brian? wrote: »
    I don’t know.


    Her explanation is that She was attacked by people on Twitter and reacted by throwing their own language back at them. I find that entirely credible.

    That could be my own bias. But I really am trying to be reasonable her. I’m not actually taking a position, I want to know more.

    Then read the post/blog linked earlier in the thread. There are hundreds of tweets of this stuff. It's just isn't credible to suggest that it's simply satire over that long a period.

    I was aware of her excuse and I've read the blog of her own posts. It's just not a credible explanation.


  • #376
    The Pheasant2
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Unbelievably, earlier today, as she was eating breakfast, Antifa showed up and chanted 'Fcuk White Supremacy' at her :P


    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1026458985967153153

    Jesus what an absolute cluster**** of identity politics America has devolved to - I cannot stand this nonsense and hate to see people trying to import it over here; it tears society apart.


  • #377
    2 Scoops
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    Brian? wrote: »
    I replied to that earlier. Why don’t you try actually reading the thread?

    Then why are you asking for examples of her behavior outside of twitter and linking her years of social media racism to possible satire?

    Any inkling that her behavior on social media was satire is gone with that video, she believes white men are to blame for the worlds problems.


  • #378
    Brian?
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    2 Scoops wrote: »
    Then why are you asking for examples of her behavior outside of twitter and linking her years of social media racism to possible satire?

    Any inkling that her behavior on social media was satire is gone with that video, she believes white men are to blame for the worlds problems.

    A tiny excerpt of a speech with zero context? That’s enough for you? Would it be enough if you hadn’t made your mind up already?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #379
    Brian?
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    givyjoe wrote: »
    Then read the post/blog linked earlier in the thread. There are hundreds of tweets of this stuff. It's just isn't credible to suggest that it's simply satire over that long a period.

    I was aware of her excuse and I've read the blog of her own posts. It's just not a credible explanation.

    I read the blog. It was a collection of tweets. I don’t know if it was all her tweets of just a few selected racist tweets. Hence my request for something more solid. I can’t find anything.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #380
    keffiyeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭keffiyeh


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Unbelievably, earlier today, as she was eating breakfast, Antifa showed up and chanted 'Fcuk White Supremacy' at her :P


    https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1026458985967153153

    Last time such a large number of white people stopped a black woman from breakfast was the 1950’s.

    I love intellectual dishonesty, it helps identify radicalized right much easier. This was just a rando, right? They were having a go because of her skin colour yeah? You know you're full of it when you have to try stuff like this.


  • #381
    Sal Butamol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    Brian? wrote: »
    I’m replying to multiple people here.

    If you’re going to be satirical, then you keep it up. It’s not as if the Onion stopped one day and reported the actual news.

    I think it’s believable that the tweets were satire. Does anyone have some articles or talks
    That show they weren’t satire?

    They definitely weren’t funny, even if they were meant as satire.

    Honestly, what a fcuking cop out. Satire my hole.

    And her tweets about hating men? The police? Random racist outbursts in conversations on twitter.

    Over years?

    She even tweeted about hating several of the editors at the New York Times, long before applying for a job with them.

    If you believe that lame cop out of an explanation you probably shouldn't involve yourself in serious discussions regarding, well, anything


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  • #382
    2 Scoops
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    Brian? wrote: »
    A tiny excerpt of a speech with zero context? That’s enough for you? Would it be enough if you hadn’t made your mind up already?

    The problem isn't that ample evidence of her racism doesn't exist. It exists in droves over many years. The problem is that you agree with her and you're trying to mask that in ambiguity by hinting at satire and the likes.


  • #383
    Venom
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    Brian? wrote: »
    I don’t know.


    Her explanation is that She was attacked by people on Twitter and reacted by throwing their own language back at them. I find that entirely credible.

    That could be my own bias. But I really am trying to be reasonable her. I’m not actually taking a position, I want to know more.


    Looking at how much time you have spent downplaying her being a racist on this thread due to not being sure or not wanting to take a position or exhaustion from the mental gymnastics, have you looked into her posting history at all?


    Considering how much this story has blown up, the number of people condemning her tweets and the lack of the usual suspects defending her, is there not a tiny part of you thinking maybe I'm in the wrong on this one?


  • #384
    Brian?
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    2 Scoops wrote: »
    The problem isn't that ample evidence of her racism doesn't exist. It exists in droves over many years. The problem is that you agree with her and you're trying to mask that in ambiguity by hinting at satire and the likes.

    If her tweets were literal, I don’t agree with her. If they were satire, who knows what she thinks.


    You’re doing the usual, attacking me directly rather than debating the subject at hand. Stop. It’s tiresome.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #385
    Nermal
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    keffiyeh wrote: »
    I love intellectual dishonesty, it helps identify radicalized right much easier. This was just a rando, right? They were having a go because of her skin colour yeah? You know you're full of it when you have to try stuff like this.

    Whatever you need to say to yourself to justify he harassment and intimidation of women, mate.


  • #386
    keffiyeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭keffiyeh


    gw80 wrote: »
    RasTa wrote: »
    Who feckin cares, doubt anyone in here has ever read the NYT. Same with Roseanne, never watched or had any interest in her show.
    I wouldn't be so quick to shrug off this unhealthy trend that's creeping into American society.
    This ideology is of hatred for "the white man is spreading into college's and university,s across American, and some of these kids are going to be the politicians and policy makers of the future, granted, probably most of the "social studies" students will not come to much other than lifelong activists and college go,ers.
    California for example is a very left wing, green, open border state, and that's no coincidence due to the very strong and large hippy culture of the 60s in California, those hippy and their kids are now all grown up and are in position of government making policys and laws.

    And things that happen in America can have consequences for Ireland with our dependency on American multinational companies.

    What are ye on about. White boys are doing just fine in college, sure didn't a spate of them get off scott free for rape a few years back. And California (well, only the cities not the counties) are moderate because of Silicon Valley not bloody hippies from 50+ years ago! Mental.


  • #387
    Brian?
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    Venom wrote: »
    Looking at how much time you have spent downplaying her being a racist on this thread due to not being sure or not wanting to take a position or exhaustion from the mental gymnastics, have you looked into her posting history at all?


    Considering how much this story has blown up, the number of people condemning her tweets and the lack of the usual suspects defending her, is there not a tiny part of you thinking maybe I'm in the wrong on this one?

    I’ve said this more than once: I could be wrong. I’ve looked through her blog. Can’t find any racist posts.

    No one has presented anything beyond her Twitter history and a 20s video where she doesn’t really say anything.

    She says it was satire. Reads like satire to me.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #388
    Ulysses Gaze
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    keffiyeh wrote: »
    I love intellectual dishonesty, it helps identify radicalized right much easier. This was just a rando, right? They were having a go because of her skin colour yeah? You know you're full of it when you have to try stuff like this.

    Maybe he's just calling out Antifa as the pack or retarded, deluded, hypocritical ****wits that they are?


  • #389
    Sal Butamol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Sal Butamol


    Brian? wrote: »
    If her tweets were literal, I don’t agree with her. If they were satire, who knows what she thinks.


    You’re doing the usual, attacking me directly rather than debating the subject at hand. Stop. It’s tiresome.

    Would you be so generous to a figure on the right working for Breitbart or Fox News?


  • #390
    dav3
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    Venom wrote: »
    Considering how much this story has blown up, the number of people condemning her tweets and the lack of the usual suspects defending her, is there not a tiny part of you thinking maybe I'm in the wrong on this one?

    This story has blown up for people who watch certain youtube videos or follow certain twitter 'celebrities', the same people who fail to realise they are being deliberately targeted by these stories.

    I absolutely guarantee that you if you try to discuss this story with any Irish person in the real world tomorrow they will laugh at you.


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  • #391
    Sal Butamol
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    keffiyeh wrote: »
    What are ye on about. White boys are doing just fine in college, sure didn't a spate of them get off scott free for rape a few years back

    Who are they now?


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