Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

Lord TSC · 06-08-2018 11:56AM

Anyway, transfer talks...

Man Utd in talks to sign Jerome Boateng from Bayern Munich [By Sam Wallace, chief football writer, Telegraph ]

Everywhere seems to be running this one today. Probably helps that Bayern's Tier One sources started the ball rolling, presenting an obvious story. But there does seem to be a lot of smoke there.

I don't know much about him. The consensus seems to be he's world class when fit, but "when fit" is an issue.

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 12:30PM

https://twitter.com/TimesSport/status/1026428903253000192

So that's Bayern tier 1 reporter, Sam Wallace (telegraph), Hirst (times) reporting Boateng deal.

pjohnson · 06-08-2018 12:33PM

Oof Sky just put up Juve are willing to swap Pjanic to get Pogba back.

Trigger · 06-08-2018 12:36PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Oof Sky just put up Juve are willing to swap Pjanic to get Pogba back.

Interesting...

brinty · 06-08-2018 12:45PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Oof Sky just put up Juve are willing to swap Pjanic to get Pogba back.

Good luck with that deal Juve you’re at least a Sandro and Mandzukic short on a deal

Hey Barca no problem you can have Pogba just send Messi the other way &#55358;&#56618;

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 12:57PM

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1026436179720318978

https://twitter.com/sistoney67/status/1026435711447314432

Lord TSC · 06-08-2018 01:00PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Oof Sky just put up Juve are willing to swap Pjanic to get Pogba back.

Would need more but I'd worry a swap deal,could still materialise in the next few days....

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 06-08-2018 01:02PM

Scrambling for a CB signing last minute. Of the 5 areas we needed to look at (2 FBs, CB, RW, CM), we've sorted one. Obviously we weren't going to sign 5 players but maybe 3 by now would have been wise.

My biggest disappointment is not addressing the FB situation. With our system, full backs that get forward and assist are essential but we're still stuck with our two 30-something, converted wingers.

fatherted1969 · 06-08-2018 01:08PM

Fred and Matic are more than adequate defensive cover for any inabilities in our CB's imo. Don't really get the mad scramble for another CB when it's glaringly obvious the FB positions are awful. No proper width in the side again this season, be trying to pick passes through the middle of a congested midfield again.

I'm just tired of Jose's moaning and the season hasn't even started yet

Lord TSC · 06-08-2018 01:12PM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Don't really get the mad scramble for another CB when it's glaringly obvious the FB positions are awful.

Not denying the FB issue, which needs to be fixed too.

Strikes me what we're after is some sort of leader. An older defender who is capable of organising the defense a bit more. Toby and Boateng seem to be with that in mind. It's adding a bit more of an older presense to the group we have, who seem to all be lacking that characteristic.

Mind, not sure if Maguire fits that bill, though his constant winning of club POTY awards shows he has a certain level of dedication anyway...

JaMarcus · 06-08-2018 01:30PM

Our defensive record is actually very good considering the very average defenders we regularly play. If Boateng or Alderweireld improve how we defend set pieces, and reduce some high profile individual errors (ie. Phil Jones in FA Cup final) then we'd have a pretty formidable defense.

But we'd still make for grim viewing as we have no attacking identity. And I don't think there's a galactico out there who would solve that, unless it's a new manager.

I'd take Alderweireld over Boateng simply because we've been horrendously fleeced anytime Europe's elite have decided to flog us their leftovers over the past half decade. Arguably, the only ones who have looked decent are the proven PL talents like Matic, Lukaku and to a lesser extent, Mata. Jury is out on Sanchez - I'll give him a full season before judging.

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 02:10PM

So what's the opinion on Boateng?

For me we shouldn't sign him. It should be either Toby or no one. Boateng is very injury prone player.

Lord TSC · 06-08-2018 02:15PM

JaMarcus wrote: »

Our defensive record is actually very good considering the very average defenders we regularly play.

There's an arguement to be made that the reason we have a very good defensive record despite out average defenders is that we play such deep football to make up for their lack of quality. There's an arguement that if we could replace our average defenders with better quality ones, perhaps we wouldn't have to play so deep and that would give us more room to attack.

That, and De Gea saves our bacon a lot, and our record would look a lot worse without him.

Will I Am Not · 06-08-2018 02:17PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

So what's the opinion on Boateng?

For me we shouldn't sign him. It should be either Toby or no one. Boateng is very injury prone player.

If it’s a choice between Boateng and nobody, I’ll take Boateng.

Mitch Connor · 06-08-2018 02:19PM

Will I Am Not wrote: »

If it’s a choice between Boateng and nobody, I’ll take Boateng.

I'd go nobody, and hope we can line up a proper quality cb for Jan or summer. Signing a average cb now will inhibit us buying a proper one.

Will I Am Not · 06-08-2018 02:21PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I'd go nobody, and hope we can line up a proper quality cb for Jan or summer. Signing a average cb now will inhibit us buying a proper one.

There’s Jones, Smalling and Rojo to get rid of if we want to make way for someone else.

yabadabado · 06-08-2018 02:23PM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

It sounds total PR and a bit cringy but this is what Liverpool's principle owner John Henry said shortly after acquiring the club:-

"It gives me goosebumps to think we could deliver a Premier League title to Liverpool - it's what we are there for, we have no other agenda than that."

Have any of the Glazers doubled down with a similar statement since SAF retired?

Jaysus

:o

RobertKK · 06-08-2018 02:32PM

So I see on the sports on Sky news that United are expected to bid for Harry Maguire, Leicester want £80 million!!! lol
They also Boateng and Bayern want about £45 million for him.

posturingpat · 06-08-2018 02:33PM

Boateng has been one of the top 10 centre halves in world football for the last 6 or 7 years. He had a few injuries last season and played rubbish in the world Cup but he's still going to be an excellent signing for someone.
Hopefully it's us, him or Maguire and it's no contest for me, Boateng all day and the fact hell cost less only sweetens the deal.

Drumpot · 06-08-2018 02:34PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

There's an arguement to be made that the reason we have a very good defensive record despite out average defenders is that we play such deep football to make up for their lack of quality. There's an arguement that if we could replace our average defenders with better quality ones, perhaps we wouldn't have to play so deep and that would give us more room to attack.

That, and De Gea saves our bacon a lot, and our record would look a lot worse without him.

If you were playing football manager and you wanted the best chance of winning the league this season and didn’t care about future value of a player, How would you prioritize who to sign? Effectively that’s what Jose wants. He doesn’t care about young players or potentially good players because odds are he won’t be around to reap the rewards if these players ever reach their potential.

It’s all good and well saying united is a growing youth club but why then was Jose hired? He’s a 3 season manager who brings in instant success and goes. So the club hires a guy with proven pedigree and still sort of supports him with a half n half transfer strategy. Nobody will convince me that Pogba has the kind of character or mental drive to succeed that Jose works well with, particularly with the added fact that this player is a marketers dream and we know how much the owners love making money...

So back to the point, you are playing football manager and have narrowed down a defensive central defender to Boetang, maguire and Alderweireld. You want to try and win the league and have the funds to sign whichever of these three. Who do you think you sign? Is maguire, English , younger with a potentially better resale value, the best choice for this season?

So then the question has to return back to how much support is Jose actually getting in terms of transfers? How much of the hundreds of millions spent were the owners buying players that fits their criteria (marketing, potential, youth , resale value) and how much the kind of characters/players Jose will work well with (matic, lukaku etc).

It sort of feels like the owners are handicapping the manager with their own priorities. Getting rid of Jose or even Woodward doesn’t change the owners priorities. I would love to know if Woodward is any good or negotiating for players or is actually doing everything that the owners want/expect..... might be actually be sabotaging supposed united transfers like the supposed fax issue with DDGs proposed move to Madrid? So stories of him negotiating with clubs for top targets would I be true but the true intent to get these for the mangers are not so clear..

duffman13 · 06-08-2018 02:42PM

Axel gone on loan to Villa for the season. Good move for him, should get plenty of game time

jayo26 · 06-08-2018 02:42PM

Axle gone on season loan to villa.

Adamcp898 · 06-08-2018 02:44PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

So what's the opinion on Boateng?

For me we shouldn't sign him. It should be either Toby or no one. Boateng is very injury prone player.

It's not just how injury prone he is, there's plenty other reasons too, chief among them being he's just not that good anymore. 3/4 years ago perhaps yes, but not now and certainly not for the crazy money being touted.

I'm in the sign nobody camp if it's him or noone at all.

duffman13 · 06-08-2018 02:48PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

It's not just how injury prone he is, there's plenty other reasons too, chief among them being he's just not that good anymore. 3/4 years ago perhaps yes, but not now and certainly not for the crazy money being touted.

I'm in the sign nobody camp if it's him or noone at all.

Agreed, I think he's an awful signing. He doesn't strike me as a leader, prone to errors, picks up needless cards, really not a top class CB IMO

Iused2likebusts · 06-08-2018 02:48PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I think he doesn't trust Martial at all, and doesn't particularly rate Rashford on the left either.

I think that he rates Sanchez' work rate and thus puts him on the left to take advantage of it, because Valencia's work rate covers the right. A RW with Sanchez and Valencia would be working so much harder than a LW of Martial/Rashford and Shaw/Young, and so Sanchez gets put on the left. This is also coupled with the fact Mata and Lingard seem to be able to put in that work on the RW as well.

I would hope that signing a LB would have actually helped that problem a bit, and opened up the possibility more of Sanchez getting to go on the RW. Or we could go for someone like Perisic for the LW and let Sanchez move to the RW too.

But it mainly comes down to not fully trusting the work rates of the current LW options he has.

Before Sanchez signed
24 games 49 scored 16 conceded
After Sanchez signed
14 games 19 scored 12 conceded
So since Sanchez signed you score less and concede more. I don't think he is on the left for his defensive work and if he is it makes no sense. Things were going quite well before he signed and him playing on the right would only have strengthened things or moving rashford to the right and giving him a proper run at it. The players are there for Jose in an attacking sense he needs to get a bit more out of them or set utd up to get more out of the attacking players.
Granted yous had a very easy start last year with all the teams you played either losing their managers or ending up relegated. But in those 7 games you still scored 21 goals and conceded 2. With either martial or rashford LW.

Rossi IRL · 06-08-2018 03:07PM

Finally a new signing.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1026469187227541505?s=19

Mitch Connor · 06-08-2018 03:15PM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Finally a new signing.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1026469187227541505?s=19

And that's the type of signing the club are ultimately interested in.

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 03:15PM

Adamcp898 wrote: »

It's not just how injury prone he is, there's plenty other reasons too, chief among them being he's just not that good anymore. 3/4 years ago perhaps yes, but not now and certainly not for the crazy money being touted.

I'm in the sign nobody camp if it's him or noone at all.

I'm also in the same camp.

Saying that, interesting to see Bayern fans on their forum and redcafe rate him very highly.

Hopefully we get Toby and a right winger.

Zeek12 · 06-08-2018 03:16PM

duffman13 wrote: »

Agreed, I think he's an awful signing. He doesn't strike me as a leader, prone to errors, picks up needless cards, really not a top class CB IMO

Have to Echo some of these comments.

I don’t think he’s a real top Centre back.

Fairly injury prone too....we already have Jones and Bailly hogging the physios time.

I hope this one is just speculation

RobbingBandit · 06-08-2018 03:22PM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Finally a new signing.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1026469187227541505?s=19

Glazers out bet you it makes a big comeback

Jose gets paid if he's fired if he walks I'm not so sure Manchester United is big business now but as we here all know it was is and forever shall be the greatest football team ever.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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