Roseanne fired but Sarah Jeong hired?

Taytoland · 06-08-2018 11:51AM

Maybe Trump has a point on the New York Times. They accuse him of racism and yet happily employ someone who tweeted stuff that can only be described as racism. They look like hypocrites.

You had a million white Europeans in slavery in the Barbary states in the 18th century. Does that allow whites to be racist because they suffered oppression 300 years ago? Of course not.

Slavery happened, it was a fact of life. What happened can never be reversed. Some people in America need to just move on and stop using what happened to justify what is basic racism against white people.

Brian? · 06-08-2018 11:52AM

Malayalam wrote: »

Wherein she stated that because of white men everything sucks. Grand, so. I just thought it gave some context to 6 years of repeated anti-white tweeting.

I’d like to hear more. That’s all I’m saying. The video is clearly edited to make her look bad. If she is what you say she is, a racist man hater, why the poorly edited video? It strips the statement of any context or nuance.

Malayalam · 06-08-2018 11:52AM

Brian? wrote: »

What is? Her clarification. It could be spin. But it could be the truth.

Yes I imagine people sat down and worked out what explanation would wash best. Anyway, even if it was satire - which I doubt - God love her, it does not display an exemplary level of either brilliance or wit. Although it does display uncommon persistence - maybe that's the quality they wanted for the NY Times editorial board.

06-08-2018 11:53AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Why the hell are people trying to say this woman isn't racist?? Open your eyes ffs.

No, it's satire!!!!! Like blackface is satire. It's just beneath our comprehension levels as we're troglodytes obviously.

Knex* · 06-08-2018 11:53AM

xtal191 wrote: »

Have a scroll through these tweets

https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/status/1025437806775226368

Well that has made me highly uncomfortable. Jeong appears to be somewhat psychotic.

What on earth are the NYT doing?

Malayalam · 06-08-2018 11:53AM

Brian? wrote: »

I’d like to hear more. That’s all I’m saying. The video is clearly edited to make her look bad. If she is what you say she is, a racist man hater, why the poorly edited video? It strips the statement of any context or nuance.

At the end of said clip you will see the reference to the lecture it was taken from .... I don't have time/ interest to watch it all, but I am sure you will find the whole video if you want.

Lash Into The Pints · 06-08-2018 11:54AM

Brian? wrote: »

Malayalam wrote: »

Wherein she stated that because of white men everything sucks. Grand, so. I just thought it gave some context to 6 years of repeated anti-white tweeting.

I’d like to hear more. That’s all I’m saying. The video is clearly edited to make her look bad. If she is what you say she is, a racist man hater, why the poorly edited video? It strips the statement of any context or nuance.

So much damage control.

06-08-2018 11:55AM

The excuses are next level stuff. It's satire, it's sh*tposting, it's self deprecating, it's nuanced, we can't read the tone, you need to acknowledge white people's wrong doing, it was years ago etc etc etc.

Keepaneye · 06-08-2018 11:55AM

Omackeral wrote: »

Have you jumped to the end and just defended "your side".

That's the crux of it. These sjws will defend the indefensible when somebody from their side is exposed for what they truly are.

Lash Into The Pints · 06-08-2018 11:56AM

Omackeral wrote: »

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Why the hell are people trying to say this woman isn't racist?? Open your eyes ffs.

No, it's satire!!!!! Like blackface is satire. It's just beneath our comprehension levels as we're troglodytes obviously.

It's ok to dehumanize vast numbers of people as long as you're being satirical

06-08-2018 11:58AM

The whole "angry men" and "serious men of boards" narrative is brutal also. Where has anyone mentioned gender outside of this Sarah one and her defenders in here. Another swing and a miss.

Ulysses Gaze · 06-08-2018 11:58AM

Perhaps Sarah Jeong is being satirical, who knows?

But you've a lot of her defenders on here who went through the most obvious troll out there, Milo Yiannapolous, for a short cut when he spouted his "satire" and trolling.

Taytoland · 06-08-2018 12:00PM

Its actually hilarious at how transparent they are about it. Its basically "yeah she was racist what of it". Everyone and his dog knows if it was reversed they would have been fired quicker than you can say racist.

Its probably the first time I've seen a news outlet keep someone on with such provable racist comments. What do they teach at these awareness classes we hear about.

Ulysses Gaze · 06-08-2018 12:03PM

Taytoland wrote: »

Its actually hilarious at how transparent they are about it. Its basically "yeah she was racist what of it". Everyone and his dog knows if it was reversed they would have been fired quicker than you can say racist.

Its probably the first time I've seen a news outlet keep someone on with such provable racist comments. What do they teach at these awareness classes we hear about.

All it shows is that the elements of the Left have learned NOTHING from Trump's election in 2016.

But sure they have two handy scapegoats when they lose the election again in 2020.

1. It'll be another Whitelash against Minorities.
2. The Russkies meddling in the campaign again.

Yer Da sells Avon · 06-08-2018 12:06PM

Omackeral wrote: »

You've jumped the shark on this one but you're too stubborn to just admit you're wrong.

What you're doing here is assuming that other people take themselves and their e-cocks as seriously as you appear to take yourself and yours. I don't think I'm completely right (hatrickpatrick's post gave me food for thought) or that my thoughts on this are somehow perfect, but if I felt I was wrong, I'd happily acknowledge that. Incidentally, I used the word 'acknowledge' there, rather than 'admit' because the latter implies that being wrong is sort of shameful.

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Katie Hopkins is just sh*tposting on Twitter I suppose? That Humphrey’s fella was just sh*tposting about Ibrahim Halawa?

Katie Hopkins does most of her shitposting in whatever newspapers she writes for. I think LBC sacked her for tweeting something about a 'Final Solution' for Muslims, in the wake of the Manchester bombing. Which struck me as inconsistent, considering it was only a logical extension of the opinions that they, and others, were happily paying her, and many others, to express.

And Mark Humphrys might post a lot of shit (or not, if you happen to share his views), but there's a huge difference between that and gratuitous shitposting. He's so humourless and serious, he almost (almost, mind) makes the Serious Men of Boards look like a barrel of laughs altogether.

eagle eye · 06-08-2018 12:07PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote:

All it shows is that the elements of the Left have learned NOTHING from Trump's election in 2016.
But sure they have two handy scapegoats when they lose the election again in 2020.
1. It'll be another Whitelash against Minorities. 2. The Russkies meddling in the campaign again.

Nice jump to the American Presidency, like wtf?!!!!!

Ulysses Gaze · 06-08-2018 12:08PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Nice jump to the American Presidency, like wtf?!!!!!

Given this thread is talking about an American journalist writing for a Major American newspaper.......

professore · 06-08-2018 12:08PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Ah here, you wouldn't want to be thin-skinned when expressing views that differ from those of The Serious Men of Boards. Lads, do yourselves a favour; don't spend the Sunday night of the August bank holiday weekend getting outraged at someone having a opinion on the internet. G'way and get a hug off someone, FFS.

I accept that it could be damaging if young males or young white people were constantly subjected to, and took literally, the "urgh... men... white ppl" narrative that you see on some parts of the internet, Twitter especially. It's not usually meant to be taken literally though - and it shouldn't take too much effort to see such comments in their true context either. Do a quick search for "men r trash" or "why are white people..." and you could easily come away thinking that 'misandry' and 'anti-white racism' are the biggest issues facing society today. Dig a bit deeper though, and it's just people blowing off steam, spouting hyperbolic crap, using 'white people' as shorthand for 'assholes who happen to be white', or in the case of Sarah Jeong, simply breaking the 'two wrongs don't make a right' rule and trolling the trolls.

Sigh. You really you can't see how harmful this stuff is? Particularly to young men? This is the very definition of hate speech.

super_furry · 06-08-2018 12:09PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Well you're in the bloody thread so either you've read what she's said or you just jumped to the end of the discussion to ignorantly add your two cents regardless.

So if you've read the thread. Are her viewpoints, at the crux of this thread, racist yes or or no? Simple.

Or

Have you jumped to the end and just defended "your side".

I’m not defending any side. I’m talking about the tactics used to target people and deliberately attempt to get them fired from their jobs via huge mail campaigns because they dare to have once said something you don’t like. On either ‘side’.

Lash Into The Pints · 06-08-2018 12:11PM

professore wrote: »

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Ah here, you wouldn't want to be thin-skinned when expressing views that differ from those of The Serious Men of Boards. Lads, do yourselves a favour; don't spend the Sunday night of the August bank holiday weekend getting outraged at someone having a opinion on the internet. G'way and get a hug off someone, FFS.

I accept that it could be damaging if young males or young white people were constantly subjected to, and took literally, the "urgh... men... white ppl" narrative that you see on some parts of the internet, Twitter especially. It's not usually meant to be taken literally though - and it shouldn't take too much effort to see such comments in their true context either. Do a quick search for "men r trash" or "why are white people..." and you could easily come away thinking that 'misandry' and 'anti-white racism' are the biggest issues facing society today. Dig a bit deeper though, and it's just people blowing off steam, spouting hyperbolic crap, using 'white people' as shorthand for 'assholes who happen to be white', or in the case of Sarah Jeong, simply breaking the 'two wrongs don't make a right' rule and trolling the trolls.

Sigh. You really you can't see how harmful this stuff is? Particularly to young men? This is the very definition of hate speech.

He is just a hypocrite.

Sofiztikated · 06-08-2018 12:12PM

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1025437806775226368.html

Jesus, that woman is septic.

I've no clue who she is, what her ideology is, or what she writes about, but I'm going to go ahead and put her in the same bin as people that rant about Muslims, antivaxxers, and people that don't know how to use Lanes on the motorway.

DickSwiveller Returns · 06-08-2018 12:14PM

[Brian} On the surface those tweets are racist and moronic. I’d like some context though. She appears to be using the nomenclature of white nationalists/alt right to make a point about racism. I’d like to know more.

If she’s a journalist, I’m guessing she is since the NY times have hired her, shouldn’t she have plenty of online content that clarifies the issue?

Attacking anyone based on tweets seems a little reactionary. The medium doesn’t really lend itself to nuance. I genuinely dislike tweets. I only use Twitter to read links to full articles.

I suppose I’m saying, I’d like to know what she says and not what she tweets. They can be the same, they can be different.

Just imagine it was a right winger who wrote those tweets, substituting 'black' instead of 'white'. I'm sure you would be pondering the nuance of said tweets. The level of hypocrisy here is off the wall.

06-08-2018 12:15PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

What you're doing here is assuming that other people take themselves and their e-cocks as seriously as you appear to take yourself and yours.

Weird. Genuinely odd.

Fr Tod Umptious · 06-08-2018 12:18PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Nice jump to the American Presidency, like wtf?!!!!!

I posted about this on the Trump thread in politics.

It's actions like this from the NYT that alienate many voters.
They are not going to endear themselves to the demographic majority in the US when they defend people like Jeong.

So when election time comes around and the NYT are advocating a certain candidate/party they are not going to get the desired traction because of this.

Will it make people vote for Trump in the next election, maybe maybe not.

But what it is more likely to do is make people not vote for a candadite that the NYT is endorsing/supporting.

If you cannot see that then more the fool you.

06-08-2018 12:20PM

super_furry wrote: »

I’m not defending any side. I’m talking about the tactics used to target people and deliberately attempt to get them fired from their jobs via huge mail campaigns because they dare to have once said something you don’t like. On either ‘side’.

Question avoided for the second time l see.

Yer Da sells Avon · 06-08-2018 12:28PM

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

He is just a hypocrite.

Rude.

Lash Into The Pints · 06-08-2018 12:44PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Lash Into The Pints wrote: »

He is just a hypocrite.

Rude.

You are a hypocrite.

How come you won't answer Wibb's question?

Brian? · 06-08-2018 12:51PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Just imagine it was a right winger who wrote those tweets, substituting 'black' instead of 'white'. I'm sure you would be pondering the nuance of said tweets. The level of hypocrisy here is off the wall.

I would. Did you read what I said about Twitter? I don’t make judgements based on tweets. It I read a tweet from a right winger that appears racist, I go off and read whatever else that person has to say. If it’s consistent with the tweet, then I make a judgement.

That’s all I’m doing here.

hatrickpatrick · 06-08-2018 12:53PM

keffiyeh wrote: »

Did NYT fire Roseanne? No. Different companies different standards, seems very obvious.

No, but they did fire Quinn Norton:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinn_Norton#The_New_York_Times

Brian? · 06-08-2018 12:54PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Just imagine it was a right winger who wrote those tweets, substituting 'black' instead of 'white'. I'm sure you would be pondering the nuance of said tweets. The level of hypocrisy here is off the wall.

I’m actually disgusted by this accusation or hypocrisy and how many people thanked it.

Find me one example of a post where I call someone out for a tweet or a sequence of tweets. If I was constantly jumping all over right wing twitterers I’d be a hypocrite. Find me one example of actually hypocrisy or apologise.

Roseanne fired but Sarah Jeong hired?

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