The Grass Measuring Thread

Keepgrowing · 04-08-2018 07:58PM

freedominacup wrote: »

The problem with the afc of 600 is that it's virtually every paddock. Maybe not a problem per say but another week and the balers will need to be moving as there will be a week plus of covers passing 1200.

Good point. Our goal is to take no bales off cow ground. We’ll bang away with lower covers and withdraw buffer and pray for more rain. We’ve enough ground otherwise to fill forage deficit

whelan2 · 04-08-2018 08:37PM

What's yer milk urea like now with grass back in ?

mahoney_j · 04-08-2018 09:02PM

whelan2 wrote: »

What's yer milk urea like now with grass back in ?

28 here

Say my name · 04-08-2018 09:34PM

whelan2 wrote: »

What's yer milk urea like now with grass back in ?

Just gone to 37 from a test of 22 before that.

whelan2 · 04-08-2018 09:38PM

Say my name wrote: »

Just gone to 37 from a test of 22 before that.

mine was 45 from yesterdays collection, up from 35 the day before

GrasstoMilk · 04-08-2018 10:00PM

whelan2 wrote: »

mine was 45 from yesterdays collection, up from 35 the day before

I'd be getting a bit worried if ours was at that tbh

Say my name · 04-08-2018 10:01PM

whelan2 wrote: »

mine was 45 from yesterdays collection, up from 35 the day before

The grass is still short with me. Roughly 1000 cover. I'm blaming that for being too full of nitrogen.
When it gets longer it should go down a bit. Plus I'll drop my 16 % nut down in the next load. I'm feeding 8 kgs still so even with that supplementation the grass must be shocking high.
I was 17 before that 22. But that was on silage at night.

Gawddawggonnit · 05-08-2018 07:40AM

whelan2 wrote: »

mine was 45 from yesterdays collection, up from 35 the day before

Careful now...

‘Tis grand to have money to burn. I’d have to be feeding urea, literally, to come up with a figure like that. And well over 200gms/ hd at that.
Think about the fish and aquatic organisms.

Wrote plenty about mineralised N on here...wasting my time.
It’s possible to actually poison animals with N if you follow Teagasc blind...not your fault Whelan.

Jesus wept.

Edit. There’s a product that you can include to help reduce the poisonous effects of N overload.

GrasstoMilk · 05-08-2018 07:53AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Careful now...

‘Tis grand to have money to burn. I’d have to be feeding urea, literally, to come up with a figure like that. And well over 200gms/ hd at that.
Think about the fish and aquatic organisms.

Wrote plenty about mineralised N on here...wasting my time.
It’s possible to actually poison animals with N if you follow Teagasc blind...not your fault Whelan.

Jesus wept.

Edit. There’s a product that you can include to help reduce the poisonous effects of N overload.

Teagasc are recommending not to spread N. but tbh only we spread N we wouldn't have got the growth we got.
See..... we don't follow teagasc blind

Gawddawggonnit · 05-08-2018 07:55AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Teagasc are recommending not to spread N. but tbh only we spread N we wouldn't have got the growth we got.
See..... we don't follow teagasc blind

Mon cul.

Did you do a contrôle plot?

GrasstoMilk · 05-08-2018 08:00AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Mon cul.

Did you do a contrôle plot?

Unintentionally yes!
Paddock for reseeding got none. Wouldn't be 1/5 of what's on the rest of the farm but there's poor grass in that so it might reflect much tbh

mahoney_j · 05-08-2018 08:28AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Careful now...

‘Tis grand to have money to burn. I’d have to be feeding urea, literally, to come up with a figure like that. And well over 200gms/ hd at that.
Think about the fish and aquatic organisms.

Wrote plenty about mineralised N on here...wasting my time.
It’s possible to actually poison animals with N if you follow Teagasc blind...not your fault Whelan.

Jesus wept.

Edit. There’s a product that you can include to help reduce the poisonous effects of N overload.

It’s a great reference test if results are accurate ,my milk urea is all over the shop as are neighbours could be at 28 today 6 next collection 20 etc .

Gawddawggonnit · 05-08-2018 08:34AM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Unintentionally yes!
Paddock for reseeding got none. Wouldn't be 1/5 of what's on the rest of the farm but there's poor grass in that so it might reflect much tbh

L’ouest sauvage...

Perfectly scientific...and replicated, obviously.

Looks like Greenfield are the only ones that respect the N guidelines.
Hmmm...”guidelines”....:).

Gawddawggonnit · 05-08-2018 08:44AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

It’s a great reference test if results are accurate ,my milk urea is all over the shop as are neighbours could be at 28 today 6 next collection 20 etc .

I absolutely live by it Mahoney.
Great analysis.

Objectif 28-32...

freedominacup · 05-08-2018 10:47AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Careful now...

‘Tis grand to have money to burn. I’d have to be feeding urea, literally, to come up with a figure like that. And well over 200gms/ hd at that.
Think about the fish and aquatic organisms.

Wrote plenty about mineralised N on here...wasting my time.
It’s possible to actually poison animals with N if you follow Teagasc blind...not your fault Whelan.

Jesus wept.

Edit. There’s a product that you can include to help reduce the poisonous effects of N overload.

Gr are gone way beyond the level that mineralised N will support now. 27-33 here last 5 tests. Pr level of buffer cut a good bit in the last few days. Back to around 15% today. I didn't do an exact figure on it. Just estimate as I was filling the feeder.

mengele · 05-08-2018 01:12PM

whelan2 wrote: »

mine was 45 from yesterdays collection, up from 35 the day before

That's very high. How long since nitrogen was spread? I would be waiting at least another week before grazing that stuff if its that high. Could you skip to paddocks where you put out less or the fert is out longer?

whelan2 · 05-08-2018 01:19PM

mengele wrote: »

That's very high. How long since nitrogen was spread? I would be waiting at least another week before grazing that stuff if its that high. Could you skip to paddocks where you put out less or the fert is out longer?

Over 3 weeks since it got fertiliser. Has had plenty of rain since.

mengele · 05-08-2018 01:25PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Over 3 weeks since it got fertiliser. Has had plenty of rain since.

Ok and how much did it get to the acre then. Also when did it get very before that and how much again.. most likely most of the fert from the second last application is also in it?

whelan2 · 05-08-2018 01:41PM

mengele wrote: »

Ok and how much did it get to the acre then. Also when did it get very before that and how much again.. most likely most of the fert from the second last application is also in it?

Was about a month at least before that when it got fertiliser. Got can the last time and cut sward before that at a bag to the acre

Signpost · 05-08-2018 09:38PM

can poor Kerry suppliers do a urea sample easily?

Gawddawggonnit · 06-08-2018 06:51AM

freedominacup wrote: »

Gr are gone way beyond the level that mineralised N will support now. 27-33 here last 5 tests. Pr level of buffer cut a good bit in the last few days. Back to around 15% today. I didn't do an exact figure on it. Just estimate as I was filling the feeder.

Great to have grass bombing along at last, but someone that’s feeding very little concentrates and finding MU at 45...?

There’s a big risk of fœtus mortality from N poisoning at levels in that range. Animals that are less than 100days pregnant are at greatest risk.
The product below, or one like it, is very beneficial...

http://alfalor.ch/wp-content/themes/SolInfo_alfalor/docs/VALO_HERBE.pdf

Bass Reeves · 06-08-2018 08:50AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Great to have grass bombing along at last, but someone that’s feeding very little concentrates and finding MU at 45...?

There’s a big risk of fœtus mortality from N poisoning at levels in that range. Animals that are less than 100days pregnant are at greatest risk.
The product below, or one like it, is very beneficial...

http://alfalor.ch/wp-content/themes/SolInfo_alfalor/docs/VALO_HERBE.pdf

Would using limestone flour help. 100 grams/head/day. Limestone flour is the ingredient in some cubicle limes.

yosemitesam1 · 06-08-2018 08:58AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Would using limestone flour help. 100 grams/head/day. Limestone flour is the ingredient in some cubicle limes.

Bentonite clay looks like the main ingredient, would attract ammonium

Bass Reeves · 06-08-2018 09:03AM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Bentonite clay looks like the main ingredient, would attract ammonium

It is 12.5% calcium which is an acid netralizing agent. Urea is an acid calcium should neutralize it in gut before it enters the bloodstream.

longgonesilver · 06-08-2018 09:32AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Was about a month at least before that when it got fertiliser. Got can the last time and cut sward before that at a bag to the acre

Can you get a grass sample analysed? Like people do it they are unsure if a field for silage has used its nitrogen.
Would you describe the grass colour from a distance as green or blue?

whelan2 · 06-08-2018 09:39AM

longgonesilver wrote: »

Can you get a grass sample analysed? Like people do it they are unsure if a field for silage has used its nitrogen.
Would you describe the grass colour from a distance as green or blue?

Green. My milk is tested everyday. So I have results from everyday. I have stopped spreading anything. I will have to order a new load of nuts before the end of the week. I didn't over spread and didn't spread for about a month when there was no growth. Grass is bombing it.

longgonesilver · 06-08-2018 10:16AM

I'm not criticising you. You seem to have been doing everything right and kept grass growing. Did you have enough rain or was there moisture coming up from below?

Testing the grass would give you an idea of just how high the N is in the grass, or is there something else going on.

whelan2 · 06-08-2018 10:18AM

longgonesilver wrote: »

I'm not criticising you. You seem to have been doing everything right and kept grass growing. Did you have enough rain or was there moisture coming up from below?

Testing the grass would give you an idea of just how high the N is in the grass, or is there something else going on.

Ye we had a full day of rain on Sunday 3 weeks ago and a good bit since. There was dew on the grass until eleven yesterday morning

Gawddawggonnit · 06-08-2018 10:20AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It is 12.5% calcium which is an acid netralizing agent. Urea is an acid calcium should neutralize it in gut before it enters the bloodstream.

IIRC urea is slightly basic, but close to neutral.
Liquid urea doesn’t corrode metal and has a “soapy” feel to it...

I’d think that the calcium is to settle the rumen. (?)

Gawddawggonnit · 06-08-2018 10:23AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Ye we had a full day of rain on Sunday 3 weeks ago and a good bit since. There was dew on the grass until eleven yesterday morning

The less rain the more N available in the ground...conversely the more rain the more N lost to the environment.
Sorry if I’m stating the obvious.

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