Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

Trigger · 06-08-2018 12:18AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

If your WBs are cutting in you can have you 10 and 2nd striker run wide as well though.

Just solve all problems by getting Lingard and Pogba to score 40 yard screamers!!

It won’t really work, the middle just becomes too congested, I’m a huge advocate for a diamond with our team, but the main sticking point would be the need to bring in 2 attacking fullbacks, like Sandro on the left, and Vrsaljko on the right. None of this happened though so if we do see a diamond with what we have it’s just not going to work. It’s basically the same as 352 for the need of attacking WB in that formation

SK1979 · 06-08-2018 12:24AM

Is there any chance of Perisic being available? Is he back from the world cup yet?

I'd be happy with him alone to be honest.

Trigger · 06-08-2018 12:26AM

SK1979 wrote: »

Is there any chance of Perisic being available? Is he back from the world cup yet?

I'd be happy with him alone to be honest.

He’s been hinting about a move in the media the last couple of days, then today he was flirting with Bayern as Kovac is the manager there and he was saying he cradits him with a lot, and would like to play for him etc etc..

Lithium93_ · 06-08-2018 12:29AM

Well we know at least one of the permanent squad numbers for the coming season.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1026210361328979969

It's official - @MarcusRashford is #MUFC's new no.10! &#55357;&#56397;

Trigger · 06-08-2018 12:38AM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Well we know at least one of the permanent squad numbers for the coming season.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/1026210361328979969

Zerkium93_

jayo26 · 06-08-2018 12:42AM

astradave wrote: »

Zerkium93_

In fairness the others were posted when the match was on....... he was probably asleep.

bassy · 06-08-2018 02:13AM

Quite simple city will defend the title as back 2 back winners.no one has really improved with transfers apart from Liverpool being the big spenders this summer.

So for me no contest yet again this season..........

titan18 · 06-08-2018 02:16AM

pjohnson wrote:

And posting about previous windows spending is equally pointless. James Maddison moved for 20m, Danny Ward cost 12m, Angus Gunn 13.5m.....players who had ONE good season in the second tier of English football.

We could have bought players this summer that went for decent prices that would have fixed some of our issues.

Malcom - 41m
Bonucci - 35m
Digne - 20m
Vidal - 18m
Vrsaljko - Loan

Bunch of youngsters that went too that would have been useful, or even guys at low values whod be decent squad options.

Look at Juves transfers this summer. Ronaldo, Cancelo, Bonucci, Costa, Perin, Can. Even outside of Ronaldo, that's serious business and none of whom were overpays

bangkok · 06-08-2018 02:19AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Pep bought 20 players in that time. Nearly two first 11s.

City bought 20 players. Half of them were never near the first team

bangkok · 06-08-2018 02:26AM

titan18 wrote: »

We could have bought players this summer that went for decent prices that would have fixed some of our issues.

Malcom - 41m
Bonucci - 35m
Digne - 20m
Vidal - 18m
Vrsaljko - Loan

Bunch of youngsters that went too that would have been useful, or even guys at low values whod be decent squad options.

Look at Juves transfers this summer. Ronaldo, Cancelo, Bonucci, Costa, Perin, Can. Even outside of Ronaldo, that's serious business and none of whom were overpays

Malcom... gamble

Bonucci.... was never leaving italy

Digne.....not good enough

Vidal....too old

Vrsaliko...not good enought

So only out of that list malcom was the only one worth the bother

jayo26 · 06-08-2018 02:27AM

titan18 wrote: »

We could have bought players this summer that went for decent prices that would have fixed some of our issues.

Malcom - 41m
Bonucci - 35m
Digne - 20m
Vidal - 18m
Vrsaljko - Loan

Bunch of youngsters that went too that would have been useful, or even guys at low values whod be decent squad options.

Look at Juves transfers this summer. Ronaldo, Cancelo, Bonucci, Costa, Perin, Can. Even outside of Ronaldo, that's serious business and none of whom were overpays

That's assuming that all them players would join us?
Malcolm and Vidal went to Barcelona
Bonuci went back to a club he loves.

We need a eight winger over all the position and not one right winger has moved this summer that you could say yes he would be a stat in our team.

I believe Malcolm would of improved us I said it months ago but he isn't guaranteed either the only player you could say that we could sign and would instantly make us challengers would be bale in my opinion and that's not hapening.

fatherted1969 · 06-08-2018 02:46AM

Instead of complaint just embrace Jose Mourinho's 3rd season in charge, it's not like you've never seen it before

Minderbinder · 06-08-2018 02:55AM

bassy wrote: »

Quite simple city will defend the title as back 2 back winners.no one has really improved with transfers apart from Liverpool being the big spenders this summer.

So for me no contest yet again this season..........

Liverpool are the only side capable of causing City to sweat.

As small time as it sounds, I’m having a real conflict in my mind to find any reason why I shouldn’t hope for City to win every game in the league starting next week.

bangkok · 06-08-2018 02:57AM

Mufc key moments in the game tonight... all bayern chances. ****ing pathetic

I.dont personally know any united fan that is happy with jose as boss any more and that is saying a lot

Cantona's Collars · 06-08-2018 03:08AM

How did the game go? I was drinking all evening.

bucketybuck · 06-08-2018 03:45AM

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Instead of complaint just embrace Jose Mourinho's 3rd season in charge, it's not like you've never seen it before

Might as well embrace it, this window has damn sure made certain its his last.

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 04:27AM

Our game is so cowardly and pathetic against good teams. It's like we don't even train to retain possession, it's all about defend deep, hoof and hope.

If we miss Lukaku because of injury/suspension then we won't get anything from big games. Without big man, Jose's hoof ball doesn't work against big teams.

What an awful return to the money spent. People say how others have title winning squads and good players but conveniently forget that their coaches are getting best out of players, so obviously they look better than ours, who are trained to run after loose balls like dogs.

Anyways on positive side, preseason means nothing. We still have players like Pogba, Lukaku, Matic to come back. Hopefully we will start the season like we did last season. Need something positive to kick on.

06-08-2018 07:17AM

Not 100% on the source, but not a surprising comment if true...

https://twitter.com/cmwinterburn/status/1026157763783741440

Mourinho, "The other clubs are stronger or they have already fantastic teams like Chelsea, Spurs and City. Liverpool is buying everything and everybody. If we don't make our team better it will be a difficult season for us."

The bolded part has been known for at least 6 months. So I wonder what specifically failed this Summer considering we knew we needed to build on last season with some important new players.

I mean beyond just 'Woodward'; Is he penny pinching? Is he executing the orders of the Glazers? Is he shít at endearing our targets to the club? Or do our targets just not want to play for United?

Trigger · 06-08-2018 07:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not 100% on the source, but not a surprising comment if true...

https://twitter.com/cmwinterburn/status/1026157763783741440

Mourinho, "The other clubs are stronger or they have already fantastic teams like Chelsea, Spurs and City. Liverpool is buying everything and everybody. If we don't make our team better it will be a difficult season for us."

The bolded part has been known for at least 6 months. So I wonder what specifically failed this Summer considering we knew we needed to build on last season with some important new players.

I mean beyond just 'Woodward'; Is he penny pinching? Is he executing the orders of the Glazers? Is he shít at endearing our targets to the club? Or do our targets just not want to play for United?

I can’t remember the exact quote but Phil Jones was on MUTV and says this

“I’m excited for the new season, we have a few new faces and will probably have one or two more” (paraphrasing)

That to me sounds like that there is two deals nearly done, so hopefully see some movement and give us something to be excited about after that ****show last night

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 07:34AM

astradave wrote: »

I can’t remember the exact quote but Phil Jones was on MUTV and says this

“I’m excited for the new season, we have a few new faces and will probably have one or two more” (paraphrasing)

That to me sounds like that there is two deals nearly done, so hopefully see some movement and give us something to be excited about after that ****show last night

Yeah Jones said that but don't think he knew anything. It looked more like a guess. Hopefully he knows something and we sign CB and RW. Saying CB as Jose is desperate for one.

adox · 06-08-2018 07:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not 100% on the source, but not a surprising comment if true...

https://twitter.com/cmwinterburn/status/1026157763783741440

Mourinho, "The other clubs are stronger or they have already fantastic teams like Chelsea, Spurs and City. Liverpool is buying everything and everybody. If we don't make our team better it will be a difficult season for us."

The bolded part has been known for at least 6 months. So I wonder what specifically failed this Summer considering we knew we needed to build on last season with some important new players.

I mean beyond just 'Woodward'; Is he penny pinching? Is he executing the orders of the Glazers? Is he shat endearing our targets to the club? Or do our targets just not want to play for United?

Yep. That was a pre match comment from an interview in the tunnel on MUTV from German TV(in English).

adox · 06-08-2018 07:53AM

astradave wrote: »

I can’t remember the exact quote but Phil Jones was on MUTV and says this

“I’m excited for the new season, we have a few new faces and will probably have one or two more” (paraphrasing)

That to me sounds like that there is two deals nearly done, so hopefully see some movement and give us something to be excited about after that ****show last night

Think he said “hopefully” rather than “ probably” but think he was just giving a stock answer to bing asked about the window.

S.M.B. · 06-08-2018 08:13AM

Let's hope Rashford continues to improve as him getting the number 10 jersey should put those "Rashford unhappy and looking for move" stories to bed for now.

limnam · 06-08-2018 08:14AM

Minderbinder wrote: »

As small time as it sounds, I’m having a real conflict in my mind to find any reason why I shouldn’t hope for City to win every game in the league starting next week.

You'll be in good company. It's like the boards city supporters hq in here.

Similar to when I was in primary school and there was this kid who always came in with the jersey of the previous league winners :pac:.

Lord TSC · 06-08-2018 08:51AM

limnam wrote: »

You'll be in good company. It's like the boards city supporters hq in here.

Similar to when I was in primary school and there was this kid who always came in with the jersey of the previous league winners :pac:.

Dude, with the greatest respect, your attitude towards discussing this really comes across as head in the sand stuff, wherein you just don't want anyone mentioning the massive elephant in the room.

Believe me, I am the very one who wants to be optimistic, who wants to back Jose and the club fully.

But there's not a manager in the world who would look at our squad right now and go, "nah, their full backs are fine and who needs a RW". City managed to finish 19 points clear of us last season, and we added a lone first team player to our starting 11.

Taking potshots at people who are worried about very obvious diffeciencies and a lack of progress this summer is really ignorant. Implying it's a City fan club because people can identify the massive hurdle in front of United is cheap and petty, and refusing to identify a problem does nothing to help anyone.

deaddonkey15 · 06-08-2018 08:57AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Dude, with the greatest respect, your attitude towards discussing this really comes across as head in the sand stuff, wherein you just don't want anyone mentioning the massive elephant in the room.

Believe me, I am the very one who wants to be optimistic, who wants to back Jose and the club fully.

But there's not a manager in the world who would look at our squad right now and go, "nah, their full backs are fine and who needs a RW". City managed to finish 19 points clear of us last season, and we added a lone first team player to our starting 11.

Taking potshots at people who are worried about very obvious diffeciencies and a lack of progress this summer is really ignorant. Implying it's a City fan club because people can identify the massive hurdle in front of United is cheap and petty, and refusing to identify a problem does nothing to help anyone.

It was more than just limnam who regularly came out with that bullsh*t last season.

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 09:04AM

Signing more players is the simplistic solution for every problem.

Lord TSC · 06-08-2018 09:05AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Signing more players is the simplistic solution for every problem.

Honest question, if Jose went tomorrow, and Pep, or Klopp or Poch came in.

Do you think their priorities wouldn't be replacing Young, Val and the empty RW spot?

Iused2likebusts · 06-08-2018 09:17AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not 100% on the source, but not a surprising comment if true...

https://twitter.com/cmwinterburn/status/1026157763783741440

Mourinho, "The other clubs are stronger or they have already fantastic teams like Chelsea, Spurs and City. Liverpool is buying everything and everybody. If we don't make our team better it will be a difficult season for us."

The bolded part has been known for at least 6 months. So I wonder what specifically failed this Summer considering we knew we needed to build on last season with some important new players.

I mean beyond just 'Woodward'; Is he penny pinching? Is he executing the orders of the Glazers? Is he shít at endearing our targets to the club? Or do our targets just not want to play for United?

Utd finished above Chelsea and spurs . Spurs haven't signed anyone and Chelsea have signed a first choice midfielder like utd. Chelsea have doubts about some key players possibly leaving. Liverpool sold coutinho in January nobody was brought in to replace him then . They lost Can on a free transfer this summer.It was inevitable Liverpool would need to make signings this summer aswell as the news that Ox would be out for the season. If Allison is any good that's the one signing that will improve things massively for them Jose hasn't lost any players that he wanted to keep. Chances are he is in for alderwereld and that's proving a difficult one to get over the line. I suspect they will get him this week if not someone else will come in. Sanchez would be comfortably in the top 3 RW in the league. He played some of his best football from there and if mourinho thinks its a problem position he should be able to get the best of him out there. Maybe he hasn't been backed enough to catch City although the window isn't over yet but he is talking a fair bit of nonsense this pre season. Its possible the targets where Bale and alderwereld these are much more difficult signings to make then most players for differing reasons. Mahrez and VVD would be easier players to obtain but you can see even with them both Liverpool and city had to wait an extra transfer window to get the player they wanted. His constant moaning in the media would have you believe he is the only manager who can't get what he wants when in reality he generally ends up getting the majority of what he wants.

Giggsy11 · 06-08-2018 09:22AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Honest question, if Jose went tomorrow, and Pep, or Klopp or Poch came in.

Do you think their priorities wouldn't be replacing Young, Val and the empty RW spot?

Of course they will be but I would also believe that they will make us play like a team both in attack and defense, and will play exciting football even with this team.

Even if we sign 2 more players, nothing will change. We will play as deep as possible against good teams and will chase the shadows for whole 90 mins with trying our luck here and there from long balls.

Klopp had Lovren, Klavan, Matip as his CB options, Moreno as LB and Karius and Mignolet as GKs at the start of last season and even for first 2-3 months. He also had players like Milner, Henderson, Wijnaldum, Can for midfield. Did that stop him playing attacking football?

Tell me honestly, how many of those players would you want in our team?

Pep had Delph as LB option for almost all last season, he also had Otamendi and Stones as CBs who were nothing but average. Did you want them at ManUtd last season? Even Fernandinho who wasn't better than Matic, or Sterling who was just average since he joined City.

It's not just about having good players, it's about attitude of the coach. Few coaches want their team to play on front foot which masks most of the weakness in the team, like SAF did with us. Jose wants us to play defensive game and rely on individuals to create and score.

How many times have you seen our players busting their gut to move forward in numbers, or make dummy runs to make space for others, or move asap to give option to the player in possession of the ball? It rarely happens, which means the player in possession will struggle more often than not.

To put in simple words, we don't play as a team. Questions should be asked about the manager who was in charge of the team for 2 years, our players look far worse than they are because of lack of system.

Edit: Btw I don't hate Jose. In fact I like him for taking over after Van Gaal and steadying the ship. Just that I don't agree with so many posts who always talk about signings and never once question why we haven't played like a team in 2 years.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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