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AI Senior Hurling- Liam McCarthy Cup 2018

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  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭HenrysLeftHand


    donnem33 wrote: »
    Conlon if I recall correctly was def making a nuisance of himself in the small square before the ball came in which broke the ball out before the goal was scored

    Correct. Clear as day from my viewpoint in the old stand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,470 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Mac_Lad71 wrote: »
    Really fancy Limerick to go on and win AI. Galway struggled to beat an average Clare side who Cork disposed of twice pretty easily in Munster. If Limerick can overcome lack of experience in final their bench should see them through as Galway are not as good as Cyril Farrell thinks they are.

    Where does Clare hammering Limerick come into all this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Galway justifiably favourites but I wouldn't rule Limerick out. If they can stay with Galway for the first 20 minutes they'll have a huge chance.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    gotta agree with the posts saying galway don't have the same killer instinct as old kilkenny even though they probably have as good players. those 2 clare goals were soft-ish, clare lads went through a few galways lads easy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    lim4ev wrote: »
    My god have you watched any matches this yr?

    I have. I've seen Galway look good and look poor, and I've seen Limerick look good and look poor. For me, a final is a different story though, I could see a relaxed Galway and Limerick cacking the pants under the occasion and pressure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    Galway have a bad record of losing games to Clare that they should have won. At least they won this one. Clare were a worse match up also with the pace they possess and their ability to drag you round the pitch.

    Limerick are more like Galway but not quite as good i think. I can't see Gillane getting a heap of scores off Daithi Burke for example so i think Galway will edge it in a tighter afair than last years final which was never really in doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,470 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    gotta agree with the posts saying galway don't have the same killer instinct as old kilkenny even though they probably have as good players. those 2 clare goals were soft-ish, clare lads went through a few galways lads easy

    Bit strange alright. Galway don't usually take prisoners at the back. On the plus side that will be highlighted in the video review sessions now and they will be determined to fix that for the final.


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    Patww79 wrote: »
    lim4ev wrote: »
    My god have you watched any matches this yr?

    I have. I've seen Galway look good and look poor, and I've seen Limerick look good and look poor. For me, a final is a different story though, I could see a relaxed Galway and Limerick cacking the pants under the occasion and pressure.

    That could happen but I find it an unlikely possibility judging Limerick on their matches this year. I think Galway will need al their nous and Know how to quell Limericks enthusiastic young team. No I don't see any team collapsing. Galways experience will be an advantage but then they seem to lose power from the 50th minute onwards. They look tired.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    I’m thinking the Tribesmen will hold tough and retain Liam. Galway by 4. Really looking forward to the final, two neighboring counties of our own.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Patww79 wrote: »
    I have. I've seen Galway look good and look poor, and I've seen Limerick look good and look poor. For me, a final is a different story though, I could see a relaxed Galway and Limerick cacking the pants under the occasion and pressure.

    I dont agree

    Time will tell


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    lim4ev wrote: »
    I dont agree

    Time will tell

    Hopefully I'm wrong (it happens frequently). I'd love to see Limerick give it a rattle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    One thing which needs to be looked at going forward is the league structure. 1B is a far better place to be than 1A. It's wrong that the 4th place team in 1B get to a quarter final. Two 1B teams in final. Needs to be restructured.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭lim4ev


    Galway are a formidable outfit but we're not without hope


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    One thing which needs to be looked at going forward is the league structure. 1B is a far better place to be than 1A. It's wrong that the 4th place team in 1B get to a quarter final. Two 1B teams in final. Needs to be restructured.

    There should only be 2 q/fs at most, if not scrapped, entirely but not sure how you relate the League to championship. Is it all that significant two 1B teams have reached the final or is it merely just coincidence? When’s the last time it happened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    One thing which needs to be looked at going forward is the league structure. 1B is a far better place to be than 1A. It's wrong that the 4th place team in 1B get to a quarter final. Two 1B teams in final. Needs to be restructured.

    No point in quarter finals it should be top three from 1A and top from 1B in semi finals. If hurling wants a break in the middle of the round robin series the quarter finals should be scarficed.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    There should only be 2 q/fs at most, if not scrapped, entirely but not sure how you relate the League to championship. Is it all that significant two 1B teams have reached the final or is it merely just coincidence? When’s the last time it happened?

    Imo it's just too easy to coast along in 1B and introduce some young players and keep their top players wrapped in cotton wool knowing well they're guaranteed a quarter final spot. Build slowly and start to peak for championship while the 1A clubs are knocking lumps out of each other trying to avoid relegation.

    I'd much rather my team got relegated and then they could try out a few more young players next year with little or no pressure on them in the league. That's not a healthy league dynamic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Imo it's just too easy to coast along in 1B and introduce some young players and keep their top players wrapped in cotton wool knowing well they're guaranteed a quarter final spot. Build slowly and start to peak for championship while the 1A clubs are knocking lumps out of each other trying to avoid relegation.

    I'd much rather my team got relegated and then they could try out a few more young players next year with little or no pressure on them in the league. That's not a healthy league dynamic.

    They should split the top teams between A and B so the lesser teams get exposure to top end hurling. It will certainly help them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Imo it's just too easy to coast along in 1B and introduce some young players and keep their top players wrapped in cotton wool knowing well they're guaranteed a quarter final spot. Build slowly and start to peak for championship while the 1A clubs are knocking lumps out of each other trying to avoid relegation.

    I'd much rather my team got relegated and then they could try out a few more young players next year with little or no pressure on them in the league. That's not a healthy league dynamic.

    Yeah you may have a point there alright. If it was 2 up 2 down you’d at least restrict it a little bit. On the other hand you can coast in 1 A if you feel like it, as I think Cork did this year. Some teams trying, others giving it a miss has been a feature of the league in all the time I’ve been watching hurling.

    They do need to do something with it alright, agree on that much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭LMK


    Referees are really struggling to keep up with play it's gone to the point where the action is too quick for any one person to ref the game... I thought the ref today lost control for a while because he left a lot go in the first half to keep the flow going.. then when the lines began to be crossed in the second he had his hands full..
    Also think the foul on JC by Cleary when he was the last man is becoming too common as a result it's robbing the game of goals.. too cynical and isn't being punished by the rules..

    Final has thrown up a novel pairing, I hope Limerick win it, but it's impossible to call, Galway of 2017 would be fairly clear favorites, but there's not much in it this year..


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    LMK wrote: »
    Referees are really struggling to keep up with play it's gone to the point where the action is too quick for any one person to ref the game... I thought the ref today lost control for a while because he left a lot go in the first half to keep the flow going.. then when the lines began to be crossed in the second he had his hands full..
    Also think the foul on JC by Cleary when he was the last man is becoming too common as a result it's robbing the game of goals.. too cynical and isn't being punished by the rules..

    Final has thrown up a novel pairing, I hope Limerick win it, but it's impossible to call, Galway of 2017 would be fairly clear favorites, but there's not much in it this year..


    I like to see refs letting things go but today seemed crazy. There was one particular instance where Padraig Mannion was coming out with the ball and was fouled repeatedly before bring wrestled to the ground and a free was not given. Very hard to see how the ref didn't award a free that time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Final could go either way. The fact that Galway have the big game experience and having done it before gives them the edge on paper - 60/40 game.

    Clare hadn't a clue what they were doing in the first half whether to lump it on Conlon or put it into space and as a result did neither and they got destroyed. Once they fronted up and went man on man they stormed back and they could have won it. They left Thurles with a lot of regrets. Shane ODonnell had been getting a lot of criticism but he stood up today.

    Galway ground it out like champions but it seemed like they were very leggy in the forwards and weren't bouncing off the ground at all. Canning brought it today like a clutch player should. His sideline was "cometh the man" stuff.

    Thought the ref was very poor and there won't be many Christmas cards making their way to Tipp from Galway. He swallowed the whistle and let a lot go that favoured Clare in the second half.

    If the final is in the melting pot with ten to go there will be a lot of fluttering hearts on Shannonside.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    Refs are supposed to implement the rules

    Stop this 'letting the game flow' craic.
    Once players know they won't get away with fouling it will flow

    Joe Canning got away with 4/5 clear fouls hugging players or stopping the free hand playing the ball


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Refs are supposed to implement the rules

    Stop this 'letting the game flow' craic.
    Once players know they won't get away with fouling it will flow

    Joe Canning got away with 4/5 clear fouls hugging players or stopping the free hand playing the ball

    dead right , if its a foul call it ,if not then dont , last week when clare played galway in croke park i think the free count was 11 to 14 in favor of galway over the course of 93 minutes today clare got the benefit of the doubt in several situations but i would be surprised if either side were awarded more then 12 or 13 frees each


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,470 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Refs are supposed to implement the rules

    Stop this 'letting the game flow' craic.
    Once players know they won't get away with fouling it will flow

    Joe Canning got away with 4/5 clear fouls hugging players or stopping the free hand playing the ball

    Cleary literally had him in a bear hug for 2 games in a row. Had zero interest in playing the ball. Rarely see Joe as angry as he was today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭spurshero


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Refs are supposed to implement the rules

    Stop this 'letting the game flow' craic.
    Once players know they won't get away with fouling it will flow

    Joe Canning got away with 4/5 clear fouls hugging players or stopping the free hand playing the ball

    Jesus lad get real it’s about time canning got some protection from refs . Taking a lot of stuff when nowhere near the sliothar. One thing is for sure he takes a lot more punishment then he dishes out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,178 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    Cleary literally had him in a bear hug for 2 games in a row. Had zero interest in playing the ball. Rarely see Joe as angry as he was today.

    i wont argue with you on this but as posted elsewhere are refs told to let as many fouls go as possible

    galway are a serious side but they need to work on there game management , they had us trashed both last week and this week and let us back into it ,a lot of galway people think fergal horgan kept us in it ....he didnt ye did , ye never kicked on again !!
    i have witnessed limerick in 3 all irelands to date and they normally get very carried away whe they get there , not at the moment , i feel they could capitalize on galway's seemingly only weak spot if ye dont rectify the issue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,055 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    spurshero wrote: »
    Jesus lad get real it’s about time canning got some protection from refs . Taking a lot of stuff when nowhere near the sliothar. One thing is for sure he takes a lot more punishment then he dishes out

    you have a referee, 2 linesmen and 4 umpires and they never seem to see this carryon.

    likewise the commentators, you could be hit with a hatchet in the GAH and it's ..........."no malice intended" ... or ........... "it's getting to know you"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Refs are supposed to implement the rules

    Stop this 'letting the game flow' craic.
    Once players know they won't get away with fouling it will flow

    Joe Canning got away with 4/5 clear fouls hugging players or stopping the free hand playing the ball

    They need to let the game somewhat too. Has to be a balance. It would ruin the game if they were blowing every 30 seconds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,293 ✭✭✭threeball


    djPSB wrote: »
    They need to let the game somewhat too. Has to be a balance. It would ruin the game if they were blowing every 30 seconds.

    You wouldn't mind the slight pull on the arm but lads constantly clipping fellows on the elbow, smacking their knuckes or grabbing the hurl and that's before you get to the blatant drag downs. That stuff can't be let go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    elefant wrote: »
    No, the other one. A long ball into the square was broken out the side, and the goal came from that.

    Ya you're right, think it was Conlon was in the square originally.
    Good spot


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    I had a lot of respect for him after the final last year but Horgan let way too much go yesterday. It all escalated to a very dangerous hit by David Burke late on which he was very fortunate not to get sent off or do damage to Shanagher. That's what happens.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    I had a lot of respect for him after the final last year but Horgan let way too much go yesterday. It all escalated to a very dangerous hit by David Burke late on which he was very fortunate not to get sent off or do damage to Shanagher. That's what happens.

    When lads are being let away with pulling and dragging throughout the game, it will generally escalate. Bit by bit the fouls will get nastier.
    If a ref doesn't lay down the law early on players will naturally enough take advantage of the looseness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    One thing which needs to be looked at going forward is the league structure. 1B is a far better place to be than 1A. It's wrong that the 4th place team in 1B get to a quarter final. Two 1B teams in final. Needs to be restructured.


    Tyson, it's crazy that a team can be relegated from the top division and still win the competition the next year. Dvision 1B is teh second division and the only prize should be promotion. If we saw the same situation where teh fourth placed team in the secnd division could win the league title in any other sport we wouldn't believe it.


    The GAA made an arse of changes for this year, moving the final back into August and adding the round robin at the same time. they need to drop the league quarter and semi finals, have a division 1A and 1B final and relegation play off, nothing more.


    The round robin needs one week complete break or at least guarentee each team one week off after two games.


    Be really interesting to see how many counties get their club championships sorted now with supposedly more time available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Hidalgo wrote: »
    When lads are being let away with pulling and dragging throughout the game, it will generally escalate. Bit by bit the fouls will get nastier.
    If a ref doesn't lay down the law early on players will naturally enough take advantage of the looseness


    Some of the pulling and dragging was dangerous yesterday, Fergal Horgan had no control. Late on Joe Canning was involved in pushing and shoving with three Clare players and another Clare player runs in with an elbow to the head, had to be a straight red, nothing said or done several times yesterday players were caught with both arms and thrown to the ground and no free?
    I thought it was obvious yesterday that players knew that they would get away with an awful lot.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,401 ✭✭✭Robson99


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    Refs are supposed to implement the rules

    Stop this 'letting the game flow' craic.
    Once players know they won't get away with fouling it will flow

    Joe Canning got away with 4/5 clear fouls hugging players or stopping the free hand playing the ball

    And what about the 10 times he was wrestled by Cleary off the ball.???
    Did you notice any of that ???
    Horgan rode Galway yesterday in the worst refereeing performance since John Denton in 89
    But ya Canning was the one fouling. Think you should take a good look at the game again


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,401 ✭✭✭Robson99


    farmerval wrote: »
    Some of the pulling and dragging was dangerous yesterday, Fergal Horgan had no control. Late on Joe Canning was involved in pushing and shoving with three Clare players and another Clare player runs in with an elbow to the head, had to be a straight red,

    Seen that as well and it was a cowards hit. Should have been a red. A lot worse than Burkes hit


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Would still think Galway are strong favourites to retain this

    They know the occasion so well since 2012

    They have grinded out wins this season

    Limerick don’t know the occasion that well

    Although limerick were excellent in semi, it looked quite a tame exit for them until the last ten.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭farmerval


    Funny after a cracking championship that both finalists are coming off poor semi final performances.


    Galway, apart from the replayed Leinster final have been definitely below par.



    The huge question is can Limerick perform on the big day. The opportunity for a young team to win an all Ireland in their first year together is huge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭Grats


    By contrast to the Final last year Horgan was down on Galway yesterday. That happens when you're champions as the refs latch on to misdemeanours from watching back videos. The champions will always be to the fore in those videos as they will be involved in more matches. Refs cop onto tactics used and ref accordingly.

    Yesterday was just a case of Galway's "tactics" catching up on them. They can expect more of the same in the Final. Champions learn to live with it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,401 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Grats wrote: »
    By contrast to the Final last year Horgan was down on Galway yesterday. That happens when you're champions as the refs latch on to misdemeanours from watching back videos. The champions will always be to the fore in those videos as they will be involved in more matches. Refs cop onto tactics used and ref accordingly.

    Yesterday was just a case of Galway's "tactics" catching up on them. They can expect more of the same in the Final. Champions learn to live with it.

    So refs are cheats???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Grats wrote: »
    By contrast to the Final last year Horgan was down on Galway yesterday. That happens when you're champions as the refs latch on to misdemeanours from watching back videos. The champions will always be to the fore in those videos as they will be involved in more matches. Refs cop onto tactics used and ref accordingly.

    Yesterday was just a case of Galway's "tactics" catching up on them. They can expect more of the same in the Final. Champions learn to live with it.

    Yes because that's what certainly happened to Kilkenny when they were champions...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,941 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    How any galway fan can claim the ref rode them when David Burke isn't suspended for the final is beyond me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    spurshero wrote: »
    Jesus lad get real it’s about time canning got some protection from refs . Taking a lot of stuff when nowhere near the sliothar. One thing is for sure he takes a lot more punishment then he dishes out

    You could say the same about most high profile forwards in the country. Canning has sailed close to the wind plenty of times over the last few seasons, he can be very loose with his swiping of the hurl at times, and deserved second yellows a few times that he didn't get. I can't believe I'm about to type this but I agree with nice_guy80, Canning,like a few other Galway players, has a habit of bear hugging and leading with the shoulder with arms out stretched when tackling players in possession. More power to them for getting away with it but the fact is they shouldn't be getting away with it

    And before Galway posters lose their ****e again over someone questioning Holy Joe, stating that he that got away with a lot of fouling again yesterday doesn't imply that Cleary wasn't fouling him a lot as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,470 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    How any galway fan can claim the ref rode them when David Burke isn't suspended for the final is beyond me.

    Probably the first decision that went in their favour all afternoon. And that was in injury time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    You could say the same about most high profile forwards in the country. Canning has sailed close to the wind plenty of times over the last few seasons, he can be very loose with his swiping of the hurl at times, and deserved second yellows a few times that he didn't get. I can't believe I'm about to type this but I agree with nice_guy80, Canning,like a few other Galway players, has a habit of bear hugging and leading with the shoulder with arms out stretched when tackling players in possession. More power to them for getting away with it but the fact is they shouldn't be getting away with it

    And before Galway posters lose their ****e again over someone questioning Holy Joe, stating that he that got away with a lot of fouling again yesterday doesn't imply that Cleary wasn't fouling him a lot as well.

    As odd as this sounds, I think Galway and Limerick would have picked each other, if given the choice.

    Both play a similar style. It will be a case of match ups and winning your battles.

    Galway are leggy, and I really wouldn't fancy playing Cork with their running style. We might be bigger than them, but you have to get near them to hit them.

    Limerick looked more comfortable against Kilkenny than they did Cork, and I reckon Clare would have a psychological edge on them.

    If Coen does a job on Lynch like he did on Kelly yesterday, and Burke does a job on Gillane like he did on Conlon yesterday, then Galway will win.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    Probably the first decision that went in their favour all afternoon. And that was in injury time.

    Far from the first decision that went in their favour. From where I was I saw plenty of clever little fouls from Galway players that probably weren't picked up over the television.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭meriwether


    Probably the first decision that went in their favour all afternoon. And that was in injury time.

    Conor Cooney blatantly pushed in the back in the first half

    A free in being converted to a throw ball because Cleary started wrestling with Canning.

    Glynn pushed off his marker while in possession - free out. O donnell does the same - play on.

    P Mannion fouled twice in one possession - nothing given.

    Hanbury gets a yellow card for dissent over a line ball - Clare do exact same thing in first half, and nothing.

    It was a joke.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    meriwether wrote: »
    Conor Cooney blatantly pushed in the back in the first half

    A free in being converted to a throw ball because Cleary started wrestling with Canning.

    Glynn pushed off his marker while in possession - free out. O donnell does the same - play on.

    P Mannion fouled twice in one possession - nothing given.

    Hanbury gets a yellow card for dissent over a line ball - Clare do exact same thing in first half, and nothing.

    It was a joke.

    Isn’t yesterday the type of refferring that the ‘meja’
    Wants......let the players flake the living sh1te out of one another.......??

    Also the amount of ‘foul handpasses’ has become a joke...Not just yesterday but overall in general


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭LMK


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    Isn’t yesterday the type of refferring that the ‘meja’
    Wants......let the players flake the living sh1te out of one another.......??

    Hurling is played by super fit athletes... if the rules aren't (and they're not) going to be vigorously applied then it ruins the spectacle in my view..
    Extreme comparison.. if you were to apply the same level of leeway with the rules to American Football then there would be carnage during a game...
    Yesterday's ref came across as a character on the AI Final doc last year when we had access to his mic... but I think he's too keen to let things go and he's very unlikely to revert to red cards if his leniency is taken advantage of, the players sense that.. result is the game turns into something akin to bumpers..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,845 ✭✭✭Hidalgo


    meriwether wrote: »
    Conor Cooney blatantly pushed in the back in the first half

    A free in being converted to a throw ball because Cleary started wrestling with Canning.

    Glynn pushed off his marker while in possession - free out. O donnell does the same - play on.

    P Mannion fouled twice in one possession - nothing given.

    Hanbury gets a yellow card for dissent over a line ball - Clare do exact same thing in first half, and nothing.
    It was a joke.

    Mannion was certainly fouled, but he also over carried & dropped the Hurley before handfasting. (Should have got his free before though)


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