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Roseanne fired but Sarah Jeong hired?

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  • #92
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    I read that thread reader compilation of her tweets this morning. Take a few minutes to do so if you have any interest at all. Honestly if the majority of society cannot see that that is some hideous content and - worse still - utterly reprehensible (and yet somehow pervasive and tolerated!!)ideology there, we are feckin doomed.
    Meh, maybe we already are.


  • #93
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Malayalam wrote: »
    That is some incredible cognitive acrobatics. Do you reckon people in general should get away with being racist publicly or even public incitement to racial and gender hatred unless it could be proven that there was ''some kind of effect on the target''?

    I think your words have to at least do some kind of harm for there to be consequences. That's a fairly basic prerequisite, tbh. Nobody on here has even admitted to being genuinely hurt or offended by Sarah Jeong's words.


  • #94
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    I think your words have to at least do some kind of harm for there to be consequences. That's a fairly basic prerequisite, tbh. Nobody on here has even admitted to being genuinely hurt or offended by Sarah Jeong's words.

    It's not up to me to be personally offended by Sarah jeong's words, just like it's not up to me to be genuinely offended if someone refuses to serve a gay person, or evicts a black person from a flat, or creates a conspiarcy theory about Jews - it's up to a civil society to decide what is the acceptable public behaviour to enable people to live free from hatred REGARDLESS of the personal idiosyncratic hatreds and phobias of random people. I thought you would know that.


  • #95
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Malayalam wrote: »
    It's not up to me to be personally offended by Sarah jeong's words, just like it's not up to me to be genuinely offended if someone refuses to serve a gay person, or evicts a black person from a flat, or creates a conspiarcy theory about Jews - it's up to a civil society to decide what is the acceptable public behaviour to enable people to live free from hatred REGARDLESS of the personal idiosyncratic hatreds and phobias of random people. I thought you would know that.

    There must be somebody out there who genuinely finds her words offensive though. I'd love to hear from such a person.


  • #96
    Taytoland
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    DavidLyons_ wrote: »
    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

    Some of us have gone very thin-skinned, constantly looking for things to be offended by.
    I take then that if the word white were replaced by black or Syrian or traveller and the comments posted here you'd react in the same way should anyone take issue with it?

    Of course they wouldn't. I wasn't offended whatsoever when I saw the tweets. It's the double standards that is the issue. Roseanne get's fired for her racist tweets, this woman has a whole bloody timeline full of them and it's perfectly fine.


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  • #97
    Malayalam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Malayalam


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    There must be somebody out there who genuinely finds her words offensive though. I'd love to hear from such a person.

    Oh Yawn I'll leave you to it...

    I hope the NY times follows up by hiring a clutch of white nationalists and rabid homophobes who have all been equally vocal for a long time about their pet hatreds on social media. Fair's fair and at least I know you would not find it genuinely offensive in the least. :)


  • #98
    Lash Into The Pints
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    Hope she is fired and her career destroyed.


  • #99
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I don't think people should be fired for expressing off colour opinions


  • #100
    Lash Into The Pints
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    Malayalam wrote: »
    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

    I'm not arguing that her words weren't racist or sexist, btw - just that for racism and sexism to be effective, they need to have some kind of effect on the target, beyond the idea of some perceived double-standard.

    That is some incredible cognitive acrobatics. Do you reckon people in general should get away with being racist publicly or even public incitement to racial and gender hatred unless it could be proven that there was ''some kind of effect on the target''?

    He actually cannot bring himseIf to admit you can be hateful to whites. How can someone be this brainwashed?


  • #101
    Taytoland
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I don't think people should be fired for expressing off colour opinions

    If white people are fired for racist tweets against black people etc, then so should this woman. What she said was just racist, plain and simple. If you want to live in an equal society shouldn't people be treated equally?


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  • #102
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Lash Into The Pints wrote: »
    He actually cannot bring himseIf to admit you can be hateful to whites. How can someone be this brainwashed?
    most ideologies are eventually caught out by the hypocrisies of their teachings. it's then the job of the priesthood to come out with unconvincing qualifiers to keep the doctrine watertight.


  • #103
    Wibbs
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    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Nobody on here has even admitted to being genuinely hurt or offended by Sarah Jeong's words.
    So if I called a Black lad a buck nigger and he actually wasn't offended by it that would be nothing much to be concerned about in your world? I doubt it.

    Then again this thinking and the thinking that was OK with hiring this muppet is just another good example of the "Progressive's" oppressed/oppressor narrative. If you are or have ever been lumped under one definition, well that's where you stay. The king high watermark of The Oppressor(tm) is the Straight White Male. Top of the tree. Even if he's sleeping on the streets necking meths for sport(and it was probably the "patriarchy" that put him there...). Every other ever more self identifying list of "intersectional" groups is The Oppressed™, with obvious hierarchies attached. A Gay Asian woman is more Oppressed™ than a Straight White woman and so forth. Mind you the latter holds a special place within the hierarchies mostly because it's mostly middle class Straight White Women who came up with much of this bullshite, as they tend to get carte blanche from society no matter how retarded their fall into the rabbit hole goes, so they protect their turf.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #104
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Taytoland wrote: »
    If white people are fired for racist tweets against black people etc, then so should this woman. What she said was just racist, plain and simple. If you want to live in an equal society shouldn't people be treated equally?

    I'm suggesting that we should move past the flaming torches and pitchforks for stupid racist comments. it's all gotten a little spanish inquisition for my liking.


  • #105
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Malayalam wrote: »
    Oh Yawn I'll leave you to it...

    I hope the NY times follows up by hiring a clutch of white nationalists and rabid homophobes who have all been equally vocal for a long time about their pet hatreds on social media. Fair's fair and at least I know you would not find it genuinely offensive in the least. :)

    To give those guys some credit, they're so much better at offending and inciting hatred. Sarah Jeong's tweets were, at worst, tiresome.


  • #106
    MayoSalmon
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    Whitey's day of reckoning is coming..history has a funny way of repeating itself


  • #107
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    So if I called a Black lad a buck nigger and he actually wasn't offended by it that would be nothing much to be concerned about in your world? I doubt it.

    Edgy. Go and call someone that, see what happens.


  • #108
    Lash Into The Pints
    Site Banned Posts: 120 ✭✭Lash Into The Pints


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Wibbs wrote: »
    So if I called a Black lad a buck nigger and he actually wasn't offended by it that would be nothing much to be concerned about in your world? I doubt it.

    Edgy. Go and call someone that, see what happens.

    Why can't you answer his question?


  • #109
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Lash Into The Pints wrote: »
    Why can't you answer his question?

    Because it's a really stupid question.


  • #110
    Wibbs
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    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Edgy. Go and call someone that, see what happens.
    Go get a Black fella to call a skinhead White guy a cracker redneck and see what happens.

    Regardless, you didn't answer my question. But of curse you can't. What passes for your student digs "philosophy" doesn't bear much of the weight of scrutiny.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #111
    Lash Into The Pints
    Site Banned Posts: 120 ✭✭Lash Into The Pints


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Lash Into The Pints wrote: »
    Why can't you answer his question?

    Because it's a really stupid question.
    How is stupid?

    Why won't you answer his question?


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  • #112
    Wibbs
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    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Because it's a really stupid question.
    Only because your "progressive liberal" Oppressed/Oppressor simply can't compute any problem, can't compute that racism and sexism can go the other direction.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #113
    Venom
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    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    To give those guys some credit, they're so much better at offending and inciting hatred. Sarah Jeong's tweets were, at worst, tiresome.




    There ya go, only took you a few posts to get up to speed and defend what she wrote as just being "tiresome". I will give you bonus points for not picking "problematic", "misguided" or "taking out of context".


  • #114
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    Only because your "progressive liberal" Oppressed/Oppressor simply can't compute any problem, can't compute that racism and sexism can go the other direction.

    Yeah, except I've already acknowledged that Sarah Jeong's words were both racist and sexist.


  • #115
    Lash Into The Pints
    Site Banned Posts: 120 ✭✭Lash Into The Pints


    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Only because your "progressive liberal" Oppressed/Oppressor simply can't compute any problem, can't compute that racism and sexism can go the other direction.

    Yeah, except I've already acknowledged that Sarah Jeong's words were both racist and sexist.
    A minute ago you were saying they were, at worst, 'tiresome.

    So she was being racist and sexist but no one was sufficiently offended for her to be racist and sexist?


  • #116
    uncle_sam_ie
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  • #117
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Lash Into The Pints wrote: »
    A minute ago you were saying they were, at worst, 'tiresome.

    So she was being racist and sexist but no one was sufficiently offended for her to be racist and sexist?

    I described her words as tiresome, rather than offensive. Nobody, even on here, appears to have been terribly offended by them anyway. People (probably the kind of people she was trolling and generalising about in the first place) appear to be more offended that she's 'allowed' to be racist, but they aren't (or at least not without being more subtle about it). Although Wibbs got to post the n-word, so yay, at least someone got a naughty little thrill. :)


  • #118
    Will I Am Not
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    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    I described her words as tiresome, rather than offensive. Nobody, even on here, appears to have been terribly offended by them anyway. People (probably the kind of people she was trolling and generalising about in the first place) appear to be more offended that she's 'allowed' to be racist, but they aren't (or at least not without being more subtle about it). Although Wibbs got to post the n-word, so yay, at least someone got a naughty little thrill. :)

    Please tell me you’re a parody account.


  • #119
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    Will I Am Not wrote: »
    Please tell me you’re a parody account.

    Will, I am not.


  • #120
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    If white people are fired for racist tweets against black people etc, then so should this woman. What she said was just racist, plain and simple. If you want to live in an equal society shouldn't people be treated equally?

    I'm suggesting that we should move past the flaming torches and pitchforks for stupid racist comments. it's all gotten a little spanish inquisition for my liking.
    This weird idea that people who aren't white can't be racist because of  historical oppression from white people is nonsense.


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  • #121
    Nermal
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    Hapax Legomenon wrote: »
    TSarah Jeong's tweets were, at worst, tiresome.

    much like your posting


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