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Gambling Industry In The Firing Line

  • 01-08-2018 12:57PM
    #1
    irishproduce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭


    Their days are numbered in my view.
    They will soon go the way of Cigarettes and Petrol/ Diesel. To be taxed more and more each year.

    The GAA have banned them from attaching themselves to the Association through sponsorship.

    President Higgins has called for a complete ban on advertising in sport.

    Today a party to government has called for increased taxes on gambling to fund treatment for addicts.

    RTE wrote:
    the four Independent Alliance members put forward proposals that included an increase in gambling taxes to fund addiction services

    The days of jokey fun ha ha lolz gambling guys on tv ads and radio shows is coming to an end.
    We are probably about a decade away from society and business treating it as the cancer that it is on community and family.

    I know that a lot of people enjoy a flutter and that but gambling is a disgusting affliction to have to deal with.

    I won't miss it when it is no longer emblazoned on jerseys and billboards. I certainly won't miss the gambling rep on the sports talk show offering his tips and a special bet offer to the listeners.


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  • #2
    dan1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭dan1895


    I bet your right.


  • #3
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    I’m a regular race goer, and enjoy a few bets. But there’s far too many of those ads on the TV that make gambling seem like a care free and victimless activity. And there’s far too many bookie shops as well. And the online stuff is like crack cocaine to some people. I’d be all for responsible on course betting, but the gambling industry does need to be regulated and controlled.


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good. There's no point doing a full underground push but there's no need to make it easy for the bookies either.
    As I've said on other threads I find the football pundits and ex-players doing ads distasteful at best. They'll all know or work with someone and have mates who went through gambling problems.

    I suppose there is the hypocrisy here as well. I gamble maybe 50-100 quid a year so maybe I shouldn't have a say. :pac:


  • #5
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    irishproduce wrote: »
    The days of jokey fun ha ha lolz gambling guys on tv ads and radio shows is coming to an end.
    Yes! Thank god. Thank f***ing god. Can we watch it when they officially get pushed off a bridge in cement shoes and take bets on which one can breathe for the longest underwater?



  • #6
    Mackmatic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Mackmatic


    Tenner bets this disappears in a couple months


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  • #7
    verycool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭verycool


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057896587


  • #8
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    Low hanging fruit. I've never heard a judge use gambling as a factor in summing up a case of rape, incest, motor death, or the murder of a wife or person at a party.


  • #9
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Low hanging fruit. I've never heard a judge use gambling as a factor in summing up a case of rape, incest, motor death, or the murder of a wife or person at a party.

    Have you never heard of the devestating effects gambling can have on the addict and their families either?


  • #10
    major bill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    Lad banter ****e, all Tv ads should be banned for starters along with McDonnells Curry sauce ads (Chips curry!!, ask me ballix you)

    Football betting has gone to ****e anyway, no value in it at all.


  • #11
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    irishproduce wrote: »
    Their days are numbered in my view.
    They will soon go the way of Cigarettes and Petrol/ Diesel. To be taxed more and more each year.

    The GAA have banned them from attaching themselves to the Association through sponsorship.

    President Higgins has called for a complete ban on advertising in sport.

    Today a party to government has called for increased taxes on gambling to fund treatment for addicts.




    The days of jokey fun ha ha lolz gambling guys on tv ads and radio shows is coming to an end.
    We are probably about a decade away from society and business treating it as the cancer that it is on community and family.

    I know that a lot of people enjoy a flutter and that but gambling is a disgusting affliction to have to deal with.

    I won't miss it when it is no longer emblazoned on jerseys and billboards. I certainly won't miss the gambling rep on the sports talk show offering his tips and a special bet offer to the listeners.

    Yay!! More for the nanny state to ban for the masses because a few people can't deal with it. FFS.


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  • #12
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Mackmatic wrote: »
    Tenner bets this disappears in a couple months

    Russian hackers?


  • #13
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Yay!! More for the nanny state to ban for the masses because a few people can't deal with it. FFS.

    A study a while back showed that about a third of people who bet online are addicted. And it's not going to be banned, just better regulated. We shouldn't advertise during sporting events. We shouldn't allow children to view these adverts. We may want to consider limits of what people can bet. I'd also be in favor of the distance that a bookies has to be from schools & pubs (I know if one bookies that's in the same building as a pub. Every big screen in the pub shows non stop gambling stuff on it).

    But none of that is saying that we should ban it. Just regulate it so those that enjoy a bit of a flutter still can and those that are addicts are prevented from going too far. I still want to be able to put a few quid on the grand national.


  • #14
    irishproduce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    I would encourage posters to start raising this with their candidates for the next election as they knock on the doors.

    What is proposed to stop children seeing it normalised on day time tv?
    What if anything is proposed in the area of mobile apps constantly pushing the user for bets during matches?

    I think as other posters have said, there is no need to underground the whole thing but there is no need to make it super easy and attractive either.
    It really should be like the cigarettes. You can have them if you like as is your entitlement, but they are not "sold" to you in very attractive terms, nor are your children sold an image of them as being great craic.


  • #15
    judeboy101
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Have you never heard of the devestating effects gambling can have on the addict and their families either?

    Yes I have but they pale into insignificance next to the social and economic damage done by alcohol. Yet the amount of alcohol sponsorship in Ireland is huge. From local pubs buying jerseys etc its everywhere.


  • #16
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Grayson wrote: »
    A study a while back showed that about a third of people who bet online are addicted. And it's not going to be banned, just better regulated. We shouldn't advertise during sporting events. We shouldn't allow children to view these adverts. We may want to consider limits of what people can bet. I'd also be in favor of the distance that a bookies has to be from schools & pubs (I know if one bookies that's in the same building as a pub. Every big screen in the pub shows non stop gambling stuff on it).

    But none of that is saying that we should ban it. Just regulate it so those that enjoy a bit of a flutter still can and those that are addicts are prevented from going too far. I still want to be able to put a few quid on the grand national.

    It won't be banned, but the OP showed that they want to tax it. Sucking the life out of anything enjoyable.


  • #17
    valoren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,707 ✭✭✭valoren


    Long be gone the days of betting on a nag in the bookies.
    Just looked at Paddy Power. I've no interest in gambling but happened to take a quick look.

    FC Midtjyllan are playing FC Astana in a Champions League qualifier.

    You can place a bet in 102 categories ranging from something basic such as who will win down to precise Score predictions. Incredible that these are offered for what is effectively a non-event game.

    If you are betting at odds of 7 to 1 in the category 'what will happen? 00:00 to 00:59' that a 'corner will be awarded' then you should be worried about your relationship with gambling.

    Alternatively, if you are a provider of such a granular level of bets, then you shouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if a clamp down is on the way.


  • #18
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,131 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Grayson wrote: »
    A study a while back showed that about a third of people who bet online are addicted. And it's not going to be banned, just better regulated. We shouldn't advertise during sporting events. We shouldn't allow children to view these adverts. We may want to consider limits of what people can bet. I'd also be in favor of the distance that a bookies has to be from schools & pubs (I know if one bookies that's in the same building as a pub. Every big screen in the pub shows non stop gambling stuff on it).

    But none of that is saying that we should ban it. Just regulate it so those that enjoy a bit of a flutter still can and those that are addicts are prevented from going too far. I still want to be able to put a few quid on the grand national.

    How will the limits be determined though? Do you think the millionaire sports people who regularly bets tens of thousands (or more) at a time would be happy with a tenner or even a few hundred? Im sure the bookies wont. When I worked for a major UK bookies, a huge portion of their profit for the year came from one customer who came from a family with a seemingly bottomless pot of money who lost millions per year.

    Or would it just be working class people who can't be trusted to make the right choice?


  • #19
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,260 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I'd look at online gambling and who's playing it. I know of a few 15 year olds who punt regularly on horses online. How did they get an account? Pubs have to check I'd for booze. What I'd checks are being done by online bookies?


  • #20
    MarinersBlues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭MarinersBlues


    Pauliedragon wrote: »
    I'd look at online gambling and who's playing it. I know of a few 15 year olds who punt regularly on horses online. How did they get an account? Pubs have to check I'd for booze. What I'd checks are being done by online bookies?

    They check your ID when you try to withdraw.
    I **** you not.


  • #21
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    It does need better regulation, particularly for the 'daily ad blasts' all over the evenings on the TV box.

    All that 'non real-world virtual rubbish' (bingo/vegas/poker type stuff) should be fully outlawed however.

    But does the OP know that this year the US market has just given the go-ahead for it in many states?
    Why? - Tax receipts. ($10bn's worth that is currently going to a black/underground market).


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  • #22
    oneilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭oneilla


    the four Independent Alliance members put forward proposals that included an increase in gambling taxes to fund addiction services

    Yeah right, I'll believe it when I see it...


  • #23
    irishproduce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    valoren wrote: »
    Long be gone the days of betting on a nag in the bookies.
    Just looked at Paddy Power. I've no interest in gambling but happened to take a quick look.

    FC Midtjyllan are playing FC Astana in a Champions League qualifier.

    You can place a bet in 102 categories ranging from something basic such as who will win down to precise Score predictions. Incredible that these are offered for what is effectively a non-event game.

    If you are betting at odds of 7 to 1 in the category 'what will happen? 00:00 to 00:59' that a 'corner will be awarded' then you should be worried about your relationship with gambling.

    Alternatively, if you are a provider of such a granular level of bets, then you shouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if a clamp down is on the way.

    That is actually an excellent post.


  • #24
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    I don't think it's unreasonable to try and prevent school kids from being indoctrinated into gambling. Any kid watching a football match on television will be bombarded by gambling adverts which normalises the whole process before they even leave primary school.

    Banning gambling advertising before 10pm is entirely reasonable.


  • #25
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    It's better to have it all above board and regulated though.

    If you go about banning it entirely it will fall into the hands of criminal gangs.

    Then you'll have degenerate gamblers getting the living sh1t kicked out of them because they owe money to some unlicensed 'bookie.'


  • #26
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,260 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    MarinersBlues wrote: »
    They check your ID when you try to withdraw.
    I **** you not.
    So you can put bets on without ID but if you win the bookies don't payout without ID? Where does the winnings an 15 year old make go so?


  • #27
    MarinersBlues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭MarinersBlues


    Pauliedragon wrote: »
    So you can put bets on without ID but if you win the bookies don't payout without ID?

    Exactly.
    They don't put up barriers for people to bet, only for people to cash out.
    Pauliedragon wrote: »
    Where does the winnings an 15 year old make go so?

    They don't get them.
    At best they get the original deposit back, but nothing is said if they lose.


  • #28
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Ban it ta fuck

    This town
    is coming like a ghost town




    (Couldn't find the clip of Fr. Billy buying all the tickets)


  • #29
    Mike Hoch
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 173 ✭✭Mike Hoch


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Low hanging fruit. I've never heard a judge use gambling as a factor in summing up a case of rape, incest, motor death, or the murder of a wife or person at a party.

    I've seen it in cases of employees embezzling company profits.

    Often to the reward of a suspended sentence. Particularly for female defendants.


  • #30
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Ban it ta fuck

    This town
    is coming like a ghost town




    (Couldn't find the clip of Fr. Billy buying all the tickets)




    https://youtu.be/w5ZSJhlsB8Q?t=993


    :)


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  • #31
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,832 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Gambling is only taxed at 1% yet the cost to society of addicted gamblers is far higher. Even alcohol being taxed a lot more still does not come near the costs that are put on the health service because of it.

    With gambling, alcohol and tobacco society is effectively subsidising the costs of the fall out of these products while the industry takes the profits.


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