The gender pay gap

DONTMATTER · 01-08-2018 09:40AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Answer the point. If you can.

I don't have to answer anything to a man pretending to be a woman on the internet. It's a bit creepy. In fact I think I'll just put you on ignore. Byeeeeeee.

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 09:43AM

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I don't have to answer anything to a man pretending to be a woman on the internet. It's a bit creepy. In fact I think I'll just put you on ignore. Byeeeeeee.

I think I get it now.

Man - evil
Woman - saint
Woman who disagrees with bat sh*t crazy comments - Man pretending to be woman, see point 1.

I'd voice my real feelings but some people are not worth the ban.

Timberrrrrrrr · 01-08-2018 10:02AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I think I get it now.

Man - evil
Woman - saint
Woman who disagrees with bat sh*t crazy comments - Man pretending to be woman, see point 1.

I'd voice my real feelings but some people are not worth the ban.

Yeah, have already been given a warning for calling it out, reported the last post lets see if the powers that be are as swift.

Obviously baiting posters for reactions as it did on its last accountm

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 10:10AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah, have already been given a warning for calling it out, reported the last post lets see if the powers that be are as swift.

Obviously baiting posters for reactions as it did on its last accountm

I've gone from being a tomboy - to being called a dyke - to told I was gender fluid and now pretending to be a man.

The only time I've wanted desperately to be a man was busting for a pee on the coach back from the airport a few months back and the toilet was closed!!!

DONTMATTER · 01-08-2018 10:13AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeah, have already been given a warning for calling it out, reported the last post lets see if the powers that be are as swift.

Obviously baiting posters for reactions as it did on its last accountm

I don't give any abuse to anyone. Maybe you should follow suit? It's the internet, stop getting so worked up. :cool:

chopperbyrne · 01-08-2018 10:21AM

biko wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-205049/Women-work-longer-hours-men.html

Another nonsense article that just uses one statistic to try to prove a pay gap, but again ignores that more women choose lower paying careers than men.

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 10:27AM

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Another nonsense article that just uses one statistic to try to prove a pay gap, but again ignores that more women choose lower paying careers than men.

Hang on! So men work on average ten hours more than woman and THAT'S the headline ????

I'm still pi**ed off to be honest that I share an office with someone who earns the same as me - yet in the last 11 years I've worked all 11 and she's done perhaps 5 and no more than a year or so at a time.

How is that fair ???

Wibbs · 01-08-2018 10:34AM

If the pay gap is as real an issue as is claimed and women work the same jobs for up to a quarter less pay, then why would any company hire men at all? Either men are a) simply worth the extra pay because they're better or b) it's bollocks. *Hint* it's b.

In Ireland women on average earn more than men before kids come along. A "pay gap" that's not noted too often. Makes sense as more Irish women have third level qualifications than Irish men. An "education gap" that's widening and we don't hear the usual talking heads bringing that up. Well it doesn't suit the narrative of the middle class suburban white girl raging against the patriarchy, which is the background and worldview of current "feminism".

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 10:40AM

http://www.thejournal.ie/seven-year-old-girl-gets-sexist-road-sign-changed-4157793-Jul2018/

I assume the campaign will now begin to get more women into backbreaking jobs of hauling wire ???

My hoop it will.

FishOnABike · 01-08-2018 10:55AM

biko wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-205049/Women-work-longer-hours-men.html

Hmmm.... Maths, or logic aren't exactly strong points there, are they?

So on average men work more than ten hours longer than women. I presume they don't do that for free.

Therefore, on average, men should be paid more then women. More than 31.76% more, on average. ((44.8 - 34) /34)*100

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 11:05AM

FishOnABike wrote: »

Hmmm.... Maths, or logic aren't exactly strong points there, are they?

So on average men work more than ten hours longer than women. I presume they don't do that for free.

Therefore, on average, men should be paid more then women. More than 31.76% more, on average. ((44.8 - 34) /34)*100

But, but women can't work any more because of the evil patriarchy putting us down!!

Wish they'd prevent me working, it's only Wednesday and including commute I'll have covered 36 hours by the end of the day!

Dravokivich · 01-08-2018 11:14AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Hang on! So men work on average ten hours more than woman and THAT'S the headline ????

I'm still pi**ed off to be honest that I share an office with someone who earns the same as me - yet in the last 11 years I've worked all 11 and she's done perhaps 5 and no more than a year or so at a time.

How is that fair ???

Eh... The salary is based on the role? If you never went for promotion...

Plopsu · 01-08-2018 11:23AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/seven-year-old-girl-gets-sexist-road-sign-changed-4157793-Jul2018/

I assume the campaign will now begin to get more women into backbreaking jobs of hauling wire ???

My hoop it will.

Notably the article doesn't say that there were any women working in that crew, so the sign may have been perfectly accurate.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 01-08-2018 11:30AM

Wibbs wrote: »

If the pay gap is as real an issue as is claimed and women work the same jobs for up to a quarter less pay, then why would any company hire men at all? Either men are a) simply worth the extra pay because they're better or b) it's bollocks. *Hint* it's b.

In Ireland women on average earn more than men before kids come along. A "pay gap" that's not noted too often. Makes sense as more Irish women have third level qualifications than Irish men. An "education gap" that's widening and we don't hear the usual talking heads bringing that up. Well it doesn't suit the narrative of the middle class suburban white girl raging against the patriarchy, which is the background and worldview of current "feminism".

It's just accepted as fact in the media though. I never hear anybody try to challenge it.

Even President Obama was regularly referring to it in speeches a couple of years ago.

Like you pointed out above it can be destroyed with one simple sentence. Why do companies hire men if they can pay women less?

The bottom line is all that matters in business.

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 11:35AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Eh... The salary is based on the role? If you never went for promotion...

Way to miss the point there.

FishOnABike · 01-08-2018 12:14PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

But, but women can't work any more because of the evil patriarchy putting us down!!

Wish they'd prevent me working, it's only Wednesday and including commute I'll have covered 36 hours by the end of the day!

I guess you can take the rest of the week off then.

But only if you want to.;)

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 12:15PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

I guess you can take the rest of the week off then.

But only if you want to.;)

Don't you oppress me lol!!!!!!!

:D:D:D:D

Cleopatra_ · 01-08-2018 12:44PM

I remember when I first heard of the gender pay gap I was in college and I was doing this social justice elective because I'd heard it was p1ss easy to pass. I remember being genuinely baffled at first because I knew it was illegal to discriminate on the grounds of gender so I didn't know what was going on.

Eventually the penny dropped and I realised they were basically including the wages of women who had gone part time or left the workforce for periods of time to have children in the statistics. I thought it was completely disingenuous to be honest. That's never explicitly mentioned in the media.

Now having said that, at the time I thought "Well if you aren't working you don't get paid!" but I've realised that while having children is a choice, due to biology women have to be the ones to have them, and it does affect them financially.

Childcare should be far more heavily subsidised to allow women to return to the workforce if they wish to.

01-08-2018 12:51PM

Cleopatra_ wrote: »

I remember when I first heard of the gender pay gap I was in college and I was doing this social justice elective because I'd heard it was p1ss easy to pass. I remember being genuinely baffled at first because I knew it was illegal to discriminate on the grounds of gender so I didn't know what was going on.

Eventually the penny dropped and I realised they were basically including the wages of women who had gone part time or left the workforce for periods of time to have children in the statistics. I thought it was completely disingenuous to be honest. That's never explicitly mentioned in the media.

Now having said that, at the time I thought "Well if you aren't working you don't get paid!" but I've realised that while having children is a choice, due to biology women have to be the ones to have them, and it does affect them financially.

Childcare should be far more heavily subsidised to allow women to return to the workforce if they wish to.

I think they grossed up or excluded the part timers here
http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/
I found that article surprising when i happened upon it, as i didn't really think it was a thing here.
I also think the discussion these days is more about when women enter a particular career in large numbers, the pay tends to drop. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html In addition women don't just "happen to choose lower paid jobs" in a vacuum. So goes the discussion. I suppose computer science was the biggest example of that

Sal Butamol · 01-08-2018 12:53PM

It's a myth.

I get paid more than my female colleagues because I am more qualified, competent and reliable.

I spend half my time fixing their mistakes

PlaneSpeeking · 01-08-2018 12:59PM

Sal Butamol wrote: »

It's a myth.

I get paid more than my female colleagues because I am more qualified, competent and reliable.

I spend half my time fixing their mistakes

I'm a woman and earn more than the three men in my team - more qualified, older, been doing it longer and trained them.

Sadly a colleague has got every pay rise going despite being out of work more in the last decade than she is in, due to breeding her football team. Meanwhile we're stuck with her work (she always seems to be expecting at the busiest times).

Plopsu · 01-08-2018 01:15PM

bluewolf wrote: »

I also think the discussion these days is more about when women enter a particular career in large numbers, the pay tends to drop. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html In addition women don't just "happen to choose lower paid jobs" in a vacuum. So goes the discussion. I suppose computer science was the biggest example of that

They're not replacing the men in the pool of available employees, they're adding to them. Greater availability lowers pay.

01-08-2018 01:36PM

bluewolf wrote: »

I think they grossed up or excluded the part timers here
http://www.thejournal.ie/gender-pay-gap-ireland-statistics-facts-3133536-Dec2016/
I found that article surprising when i happened upon it, as i didn't really think it was a thing here.
I also think the discussion these days is more about when women enter a particular career in large numbers, the pay tends to drop. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html In addition women don't just "happen to choose lower paid jobs" in a vacuum. So goes the discussion. I suppose computer science was the biggest example of that

Would a near doubling of the talent pool not tend to lead to that?

Fr_Dougal · 17-08-2018 09:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would a near doubling of the talent pool not tend to lead to that?

It would, supply and demand.

Heres Johnny · 17-08-2018 10:03PM

One of my team members had gender reassignment surgery over the last while. Went through the whole male to female transformation over the last year bit by bit, hormones, grew the tits, got the meat and 2 veg chopped off.
Annual review was last week, I promptly hit her with a 20% salary reduction.
Well she did say she wanted to be treated as a woman

Is there a pay gap between men and the other 42 genders that have appeared in last few years I wonder? Maybe he should have become one of them instead, I couldn't find any data on how much they earn.

The gender pay gap

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