Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

Woke Hogan · 30-07-2018 08:52AM

flookdgates wrote: »

They are pretending to be something they're not. I believe the leftists call it "appropriating culture". If I was a working class Limerick lad I would be pissed off that these two posh boys are getting rich from making fun of my accent.

Snore. Leftists, rightists blah blah blah. They're **** comedians, who cares about their private lives.

Wibbs · 30-07-2018 08:56AM

flookdgates wrote: »

They are posh boys from the affluent suburbs.

Not so unusual in music or art. John Lennon had the hard neck to write a song like "Working class hero" when he was very much a middle class boy who went to art college in post war Britain. Then again his video for Imagine where he sang lines like imagine no possessions while in his stately home with grounds. Music and art strongly tends to be a middle class pursuit.

Ush1 · 30-07-2018 08:57AM

Champagne socialism as it's known.

elefant · 30-07-2018 09:00AM

flookdgates wrote: »

They are pretending to be something they're not. I believe the leftists call it "appropriating culture". If I was a working class Limerick lad I would be pissed off that these two posh boys are getting rich from making fun of my accent.

You should let them know how pissed off they should be. The Rubberbandits seem to be extremely popular in Limerick; show them the error of their ways!

flookdgates · 30-07-2018 09:01AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Not so unusual in music or art. John Lennon had the hard neck to write a song like "Working class hero" when he was very much a middle class boy who went to art college in post war Britain. Then again his video for Imagine where he sang lines like imagine no possessions while in his stately home with grounds. Music and art strongly tends to be a middle class pursuit.

That video always made me laugh. Singing "Imagine no possessions" when the piano he's playing on probably costs more than most people's annual wage.

Ush1 · 30-07-2018 09:08AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lmlZWYvXMUo

One of my favourite champagne socialist moments, fair play to the interviewer.

DickSwiveller Returns · 30-07-2018 09:12AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Not so unusual in music or art. John Lennon had the hard neck to write a song like "Working class hero" when he was very much a middle class boy who went to art college in post war Britain. Then again his video for Imagine where he sang lines like imagine no possessions while in his stately home with grounds. Music and art strongly tends to be a middle class pursuit.

Imagine is even worse than Blinboy's tripe. The champagne socialists anthem

flookdgates · 30-07-2018 09:18AM

Ush1 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lmlZWYvXMUo

One of my favourite champagne socialist moments, fair play to the interviewer.

Cheers, I got a good laugh out of that lol.

Here's another one: Remember a few years ago Bob Geldof promised to house 4 Syrian refugee families in his own home and implored the rest of us to do the same. Did he ever take them in I wonder?

Brian? · 30-07-2018 09:24AM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

If I told you that I think the cheeky girls song 'We are the cheeky girls' is better than Beethoven's 7th symphony would you think I was crazy or would you not think it was strange

I’d think you were crazy. But again,it’s a matter of taste.

Oasis are mind numbing bland muck, IMO.

DickSwiveller Returns · 30-07-2018 09:26AM

Brian? wrote: »

I’d think you were crazy. But again,it’s a matter of taste.

Oasis are mind numbing bland muck, IMO.

So what are you arguing with me for? I think Blindboy's music is muck but have no problem with other people liking it. Likewise, you're entitled to you opinion on Oasis

PlaneSpeeking · 30-07-2018 09:28AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Not so unusual in music or art. John Lennon had the hard neck to write a song like "Working class hero" when he was very much a middle class boy who went to art college in post war Britain. Then again his video for Imagine where he sang lines like imagine no possessions while in his stately home with grounds. Music and art strongly tends to be a middle class pursuit.

Have to argue the "middle class boy" bit there.

I grew up in Liverpool and whilst Menlove Avenue is well posher than where I grew up, so are most places. A nice house doesn't make a happy life. John Lennon came from the most broken of broken homes

And I disagree about him not having any "validity" to write Working Class Hero (one of my top 5 songs). It's not about celebrating being poor or a certain class.

Listen to the opening two verses - that's about as autobiographical a tale of a miserable childhood as was ever committed to pen and paper.

Very harsh on him there. And undeservedly so.

PlaneSpeeking · 30-07-2018 09:29AM

flookdgates wrote: »

Cheers, I got a good laugh out of that lol.

Here's another one: Remember a few years ago Bob Geldof promised to house 4 Syrian refugee families in his own home and implored the rest of us to do the same. Did he ever take them in I wonder?

Absolutely he did!

And so did Lily Allen and Benedict Cumberbatch. Gary Lineker has three!!

(Note - not really)

Wibbs · 30-07-2018 09:30AM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Imagine is even worse than Blinboy's tripe.

It's "worse" in another way; he was one of the finest song writers of the 20th century so he could dress whatever ism he was into at the time up and it would be instantly mainstream and popular. To be fair to him though, such things were passing fancies, rather than a career of protest songs and social commentary. I've always been well dubious of the latter. Goes from zero to preachy in seconds. To be fair to the Rubberbandits they're generally not preachy like that. When the Blindboy guy is IMHO it's bloody awkward and comes across as recycled.

PlaneSpeeking · 30-07-2018 09:32AM

Jesus - "the Rubber Bandits better than John Lennon".

The world is fckuing insane. I'm out.

Woke Hogan · 30-07-2018 09:33AM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

So what are you arguing with me for? I think Blindboy's music is muck but have no problem with other people liking it. Likewise, you're entitled to you opinion on Oasis

I've found that with a lot of Rubberbandits fans over the years. They're way too invested in their fandom (it comprises a huge part of their "personality") and get really annoyed when someone can't stand their infallible icon.

"I think The Rubberbandits are crap."

"Oh yeah? Well, every thing you love is **** too!!"

30-07-2018 09:39AM

Ush1 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lmlZWYvXMUo

One of my favourite champagne socialist moments, fair play to the interviewer.

Yeah, he really got him there! "Here you are working on behalf of a group of people fighting against a US investment fund buying out housing and driving them out of their community, but YOU rent a house in London!"

Like, what is the actual point of that comment? People who have money or power are not allowed to support people who don't? Do you believe that?

If Russell Brand was buying up property to rent out then the interviewer might have some kind of argument but as it stands it is completely irrelevant where he rents. Also he is a native Londoner living in the city he was born in. He isn't driving anyone out of anywhere.

Cretinous interview technique that Brand and the campaigners called out for the nonsense that it is.

I think Blindboy is a muppet btw.

Mickiemcfist · 30-07-2018 09:41AM

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I've found that with a lot of Rubberbandits fans over the years. They're way too invested in their fandom (it comprises a huge part of their "personality") and get really annoyed when someone can't stand their infallible icon.

"I think The Rubberbandits are crap."

"Oh yeah? Well, every thing you love is **** too!!"

Really? A quick glance above would indicate to me that the most indignant in this debate would be those who dislike the rubberbandits.

I don't care who likes/hates them, but I find it pretty funny how there are this many pages of argument over it. For instance, I don't like Bob Geldof, but I haven't checked to see if there's a Bob Geldof thread so I can go bash him. I understand he has fans & I doubt I, as a stranger on the internet could convince them otherwise. Nor would I want to.

Ush1 · 30-07-2018 09:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, he really got him there! "Here you are working on behalf of a group of people fighting against a US investment fund buying out housing and driving them out of their community, but YOU rent a house in London!"

Like, what is the actual point of that comment? People who have money or power are not allowed to support people who don't? Do you believe that?

If Russell Brand was buying up property to rent out then the interviewer might have some kind of argument but as it stands it is completely irrelevant where he rents. Also he is a native Londoner living in the city he was born in. He isn't driving anyone out of anywhere.

Cretinous interview technique that Brand and the campaigners called out for the nonsense that it is.

I think Blindboy is a muppet btw.

Did you watch the clip? The interviewer said part of the problem is the ultra rich driving up the cost of rent/housing in London. Brand is clearly a part of that problem but didn't want to admit it.

I suppose it's easier to blame the faceless US corporations on all the ills of society...

EDIT: I'll try to ignore all the other misguided stuff in your post, such as Russell Brand being born in London.

Ush1 · 30-07-2018 10:01AM

flookdgates wrote: »

Cheers, I got a good laugh out of that lol.

Here's another one: Remember a few years ago Bob Geldof promised to house 4 Syrian refugee families in his own home and implored the rest of us to do the same. Did he ever take them in I wonder?

Another classic:
https://www.joe.ie/news/watch-bob-geldof-shouts-insults-at-nigel-farage-from-a-boat-on-the-thames-549208

Apparently Geldof was actually drinking champagne on the boat.:pac:

AlphaOmega1 · 30-07-2018 10:01AM

hold your nose and say: "the reason yang bais are depressed is because of the patriachy" Well done you are now blindboy go write a book. I think he's a tool and everything he says should be taken with a large pinch of salt

Cienciano · 30-07-2018 10:10AM

Good line from the end of the last live podcast with Louise O'Neill: "apologies to the lads who came in expecting to hear Horse Outside".

30-07-2018 10:16AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Did you watch the clip? The interviewer said part of the problem is the ultra rich driving up the cost of rent/housing in London. Brand is clearly a part of that problem but didn't want to admit it.

I suppose it's easier to blame the faceless US corporations on all the ills of society...

EDIT: I'll try to ignore all the other misguided stuff in your post, such as Russell Brand being born in London.

Russell Brand rents one house in London. He isn't a property investor to the best of my knowledge and claiming that he can't have an opinion on the subject because he can afford to rent a house is so absurd it doesn't even merit a response. As political debate goes it is moronic.

In the case of the New Era housing estate yes it is easy to blame US investment companies with no connection to London who buy up large amounts of traditional working class housing and then drive up the rents to force out locals. Who would you blame - Russell Brand?

As far as most people are concerned estuary Essex is London, I don't think you are going to impress anyone splitting that particular hair.

30-07-2018 10:23AM

Ush1 wrote: »

Did you watch the clip? The interviewer said part of the problem is the ultra rich driving up the cost of rent/housing in London. Brand is clearly a part of that problem but didn't want to admit it.

I suppose it's easier to blame the faceless US corporations on all the ills of society...

EDIT: I'll try to ignore all the other misguided stuff in your post, such as Russell Brand being born in London.

I really dislike Brand but it's a stupid agument tbh. So he shouldn't be allowed to live in London? The issue isn't someone renting a place, it's money (especially from abroad) flowing in to buy up blocks of property for investment where they make money (or at least hold value and clean it) without even letting it out.

Cienciano · 30-07-2018 10:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Russell Brand rents one house in London. He isn't a property investor to the best of my knowledge and claiming that he can't have an opinion on the subject because he can afford to rent a house is so absurd it doesn't even merit a response. As political debate goes it is moronic.

In the case of the New Era housing estate yes it is easy to blame US investment companies with no connection to London who buy up large amounts of traditional working class housing and then drive up the rents to force out locals. Who would you blame - Russell Brand?

As far as most people are concerned estuary Essex is London, I don't think you are going to impress anyone splitting that particular hair.

It's the same with his t-shirts. Someone bought one and it was made in Bangladesh or something. His critics thought this was great. All it was, the company that did the t-shirts sourced them in the wrong place. End of problem, he explained what happened and fixed the problem. Some people make out that Brand himself was in Bangladesh whipping kids and laughing about how much extra cash he made because of the cheap labour. It's like criticising Trump because you got a bad meal in his hotel.

Ush1 · 30-07-2018 10:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Russell Brand rents one house in London. He isn't a property investor to the best of my knowledge and claiming that he can't have an opinion on the subject because he can afford to rent a house is so absurd it doesn't even merit a response. As political debate goes it is moronic.

I didn't say he can't have an opinion, I said he refused to recognise he is part of the "problem", if he follows that particular line of thinking. I would personally also be quite cynical towards his motivations, whether he is conscious of it or not.

Deleted User wrote: »

In the case of the New Era housing estate yes it is easy to blame US investment companies with no connection to London who buy up large amounts of traditional working class housing and then drive up the rents to force out locals. Who would you blame - Russell Brand?

Blame is an interesting word to use. Gentrification happens for very obvious and clear reasons, especially in a global, mega city such as London. Rent is charged and the people paying the rent set the prices. If only all the rich people left London who could afford it...

Deleted User wrote: »

As far as most people are concerned estuary Essex is London, I don't think you are going to impress anyone splitting that particular hair.

You said London city. He is clearly not born there, so it invalidates your argument of a "native Londoner" (whatever that is supposed to mean?). Not that it matters regardless, who cares where someone is from and where they buy property. To be honest, sounds slightly xenophobic.

Ush1 · 30-07-2018 10:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I really dislike Brand but it's a stupid agument tbh. So he shouldn't be allowed to live in London? The issue isn't someone renting a place, it's money (especially from abroad) flowing in to buy up blocks of property for investment where they make money (or at least hold value and clean it) without even letting it out.

He absolutely should be allowed to live in London, that's the point. He can clearly afford to.

nozzferrahhtoo · 30-07-2018 10:40AM

Wibbs wrote: »

from his own mouth his opinion is that the "lads" he knows who suffer mental illness the core of it no less is down to they have nothing to offer a woman. A monumentally simplistic to the point of stupidity statement

No, it is not. What it IS is an anecdotal statement. About guys HE knows (which you do not). So he is in a better position than you to comment on their issues frankly and presuming otherwise would be the stupid statement. To presume to be able to offer a better diagnosis, or deride that of another, of people you know nothing about and have no access to.

That is not, of course, to say his diagnosis is correct. Perhaps it is. Perhaps it is not. But you are certainly in no position to judge it.

Wibbs wrote: »

Never mind that it completely ignores the young men who are in good relationships

Hang on, you just said yourself his opinion is about "lads he knows". You said it right there above.

So how can it be "ignoring" anyone else? The statement was about who the statement was about. Not other people. I made a statement about birds today to someone. Was I "ignoring" rabbits?

All the guy said was that the guys HE knows seem to suffer unduly due to a perception society, or some other source, has given them that their position in a relationship with a woman is skewed more than it actually is or should be.

So he believes such guys likely would have their suffering alleviated if they and/or the society they are in had a more modern view of equality between people in such relationships.

And there is nothing wrong with that. The people HE knows, who you do not know, likely would benefit from that. People he does not know, who suffer for the same reasons, would too.

You appear to think.... both from what you write here and what you wrote in the original post I first replied to some days ago..... that he is saying that all depression in all lads is caused by this one thing and therefore feminism is gonna go cure them all. And if so, then I simply think that is 100% your invention and not at all what he was saying, indicating or implying. There is nothing here but straw.

I see him saying there is a mental health crisis in Ireland. I see him investigating that in himself (since he had or has such issues himself) and people around him. And I see him proposing solutions based on what he has observed. All of which is perfectly valid and, from my perspective, welcome.

The rest.... appears to be coming from you. Not him.

Dannyriver · 30-07-2018 11:05AM

flookdgates wrote: »

^^^
Bang on post.

Do you really think working class lads in Limerick are having discussions about the patriarchy and toxic masculinity? Rubberbandits target audience are hysterical middle aged feminists and their beta orbiters. BTW the Rubberbandits (Bob McGlynn ad Dave Chambers) are not from working class backgrounds themselves. They are posh boys from the affluent suburbs.

Am no they re not they are from Caherdavin not exactly posh now is it?

Dannyriver · 30-07-2018 11:06AM

flookdgates wrote: »

They are pretending to be something they're not. I believe the leftists call it "appropriating culture". If I was a working class Limerick lad I would be pissed off that these two posh boys are getting rich from making fun of my accent.

If that s all you think they re about you re not so bright.

Dannyriver · 30-07-2018 11:14AM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

I think calling him a musician is generous

Dick someone who writes/plays all the instruments/and masters and produces all the records in a bedroom is a musician, that s what Blindboy does. it s not up for debate its just fact....what do you see as the requisites of being a musician if it's not the above. You say you are a musician yet don t see any merit in what Blindboy does... that s confusing to say the least.

Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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