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Let's all take Blindboy seriously now...

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People do know this is a character right? And not an actual person?

Does it strike anyone else as strange that a made-up persona with a fake voice, parody accent and a fking plastic bag on his head is treated like a normal, regular person in debates and current affairs TV shows? And given the same credibility and respect as an actual real person?

Imagine Fr. Dougal Mcguire, Dustin the Turkey and Fortycoats appearing our incisive current affairs shows discussing mental health with Alan Partridge adjudicating.

Or discussing the 8th amendment and feminism with Mrs Brown, The Bottler and Podge and Rodge? It would be treated like a joke (obviously), but when the prank phone call making, glue-huffing, spastic hawk-toting Blindboy talks serious we all suddenly have to sit up take it seriously.

If I was asked to debate on the same show as a parody character I'd be more than a little pissed off.

By all means share your story on mental health or offer an opinion on our education system. But for fk sake would you give us and the other people on the show the respect of doing it yourself, in a real voice? Without a fking bag on your head?

Alternatively if you prefer holding on to the bag, you could try going back to... you know... being funny. And less preachy.

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nozzferrahhtoo

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Obsticating as usual, nozz.

Telling me I did things I blatantly did not as usual, Pete.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The comments Blindboy made about the young men he has apparently spoken with was clearly him attempting to justify the broader statement he had just made, which was of course that young depressed men throughout the country need feminism......

There is nothing wrong with such a statement other than your rush to pump it full of the hyperbole it actually lacks. People talk in generalizations. This is simply common as a fact about language. To pretend off the back of that that the speaker is saying more than that are is YOUR obfuscation. So projecting as usual, Pete.

For example if lots of people were getting sick all over the country I would happily say "People need more vaccinations!". A perfectly valid and defensible statement. It would be nonsense however to act like I was saying this would cure ALL the issues, especially given there are many illnesses that are not cured or prevented by vaccination.

So the sole source of obfuscation comes from a rhetorical dishonesty of taking when people talk in generalizations and pretending through the application of nothing but extreme linguistic pedantry, that they are saying more than they actually are.

There is NOTHING to suggest the speaker in question thinks that feminism is going to address all mental issues in all young men across the country. But it WILL address the subject of mental issues across the country. Which is not the same thing.

[Deleted User]

Dannyriver wrote: »

Fair enough...what is your cup of Tea if you don t mind me asking, cos Rubberbandits cover quite a few genres in their music, Im surprised there s not some of their stuff that connects. Most musicians I know rave about what they do.

They're probably just saying that to avoid a two hour monologue by you on how a guy with a plastic bag on his head is the put on voice of a generation, where they have to list every piece of music they've ever enjoyed..

Dannyriver

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Fair enough. I was exaggerating a bit. Wouldn't be my cup of tea.

Fair enough...what is your cup of Tea if you don t mind me asking, cos Rubberbandits cover quite a few genres in their music, Im surprised there s not some of their stuff that connects. Most musicians I know rave about what they do.

DickSwiveller Returns

Dannyriver wrote: »

Dick someone who writes/plays all the instruments/and masters and produces all the records in a bedroom is a musician, that s what Blindboy does. it s not up for debate its just fact....what do you see as the requisites of being a musician if it's not the above. You say you are a musician yet don t see any merit in what Blindboy does... that s confusing to say the least.

Fair enough. I was exaggerating a bit. Wouldn't be my cup of tea.

Outlaw Pete

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

So how can it be "ignoring" anyone else? The statement was about who the statement was about. Not other people. I made a statement about birds today to someone. Was I "ignoring" rabbits?

Obsticating as usual, nozz.

The comments Blindboy made about the young men he has apparently spoken with was clearly him attempting to justify the broader statement he had just made, which was of course that young depressed men throughout the country need feminism...... and so whilst the anecdote itself may have been about those specific men, it was in fact being cited to give credence to his larger nonsense contention, the implication of which is that young men in Ireland are killing themselves largely because they don't have a feminist mindset.

A preposterous statement for anyone to make but particularly so by someone who seemingly has no issue with the misandrist victim hood rhetoric put forth by the particular brand of feminism Blindboy subscribes to.

Dannyriver

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

I think calling him a musician is generous

Dick someone who writes/plays all the instruments/and masters and produces all the records in a bedroom is a musician, that s what Blindboy does. it s not up for debate its just fact....what do you see as the requisites of being a musician if it's not the above. You say you are a musician yet don t see any merit in what Blindboy does... that s confusing to say the least.

Dannyriver

flookdgates wrote: »

They are pretending to be something they're not. I believe the leftists call it "appropriating culture". If I was a working class Limerick lad I would be pissed off that these two posh boys are getting rich from making fun of my accent.

If that s all you think they re about you re not so bright.

Dannyriver

flookdgates wrote: »

^^^
Bang on post.

Do you really think working class lads in Limerick are having discussions about the patriarchy and toxic masculinity? Rubberbandits target audience are hysterical middle aged feminists and their beta orbiters. BTW the Rubberbandits (Bob McGlynn ad Dave Chambers) are not from working class backgrounds themselves. They are posh boys from the affluent suburbs.

Am no they re not they are from Caherdavin not exactly posh now is it?

nozzferrahhtoo

Wibbs wrote: »

from his own mouth his opinion is that the "lads" he knows who suffer mental illness the core of it no less is down to they have nothing to offer a woman. A monumentally simplistic to the point of stupidity statement

No, it is not. What it IS is an anecdotal statement. About guys HE knows (which you do not). So he is in a better position than you to comment on their issues frankly and presuming otherwise would be the stupid statement. To presume to be able to offer a better diagnosis, or deride that of another, of people you know nothing about and have no access to.

That is not, of course, to say his diagnosis is correct. Perhaps it is. Perhaps it is not. But you are certainly in no position to judge it.

Wibbs wrote: »

Never mind that it completely ignores the young men who are in good relationships

Hang on, you just said yourself his opinion is about "lads he knows". You said it right there above.

So how can it be "ignoring" anyone else? The statement was about who the statement was about. Not other people. I made a statement about birds today to someone. Was I "ignoring" rabbits?

All the guy said was that the guys HE knows seem to suffer unduly due to a perception society, or some other source, has given them that their position in a relationship with a woman is skewed more than it actually is or should be.

So he believes such guys likely would have their suffering alleviated if they and/or the society they are in had a more modern view of equality between people in such relationships.

And there is nothing wrong with that. The people HE knows, who you do not know, likely would benefit from that. People he does not know, who suffer for the same reasons, would too.

You appear to think.... both from what you write here and what you wrote in the original post I first replied to some days ago..... that he is saying that all depression in all lads is caused by this one thing and therefore feminism is gonna go cure them all. And if so, then I simply think that is 100% your invention and not at all what he was saying, indicating or implying. There is nothing here but straw.

I see him saying there is a mental health crisis in Ireland. I see him investigating that in himself (since he had or has such issues himself) and people around him. And I see him proposing solutions based on what he has observed. All of which is perfectly valid and, from my perspective, welcome.

The rest.... appears to be coming from you. Not him.

Ush1

Deleted User wrote: »

I really dislike Brand but it's a stupid agument tbh. So he shouldn't be allowed to live in London? The issue isn't someone renting a place, it's money (especially from abroad) flowing in to buy up blocks of property for investment where they make money (or at least hold value and clean it) without even letting it out.

He absolutely should be allowed to live in London, that's the point. He can clearly afford to.

Ush1

Deleted User wrote: »

Russell Brand rents one house in London. He isn't a property investor to the best of my knowledge and claiming that he can't have an opinion on the subject because he can afford to rent a house is so absurd it doesn't even merit a response. As political debate goes it is moronic.

I didn't say he can't have an opinion, I said he refused to recognise he is part of the "problem", if he follows that particular line of thinking. I would personally also be quite cynical towards his motivations, whether he is conscious of it or not.

Deleted User wrote: »

In the case of the New Era housing estate yes it is easy to blame US investment companies with no connection to London who buy up large amounts of traditional working class housing and then drive up the rents to force out locals. Who would you blame - Russell Brand?

Blame is an interesting word to use. Gentrification happens for very obvious and clear reasons, especially in a global, mega city such as London. Rent is charged and the people paying the rent set the prices. If only all the rich people left London who could afford it...

Deleted User wrote: »

As far as most people are concerned estuary Essex is London, I don't think you are going to impress anyone splitting that particular hair.

You said London city. He is clearly not born there, so it invalidates your argument of a "native Londoner" (whatever that is supposed to mean?). Not that it matters regardless, who cares where someone is from and where they buy property. To be honest, sounds slightly xenophobic.

Cienciano

Deleted User wrote: »

Russell Brand rents one house in London. He isn't a property investor to the best of my knowledge and claiming that he can't have an opinion on the subject because he can afford to rent a house is so absurd it doesn't even merit a response. As political debate goes it is moronic.

In the case of the New Era housing estate yes it is easy to blame US investment companies with no connection to London who buy up large amounts of traditional working class housing and then drive up the rents to force out locals. Who would you blame - Russell Brand?

As far as most people are concerned estuary Essex is London, I don't think you are going to impress anyone splitting that particular hair.

It's the same with his t-shirts. Someone bought one and it was made in Bangladesh or something. His critics thought this was great. All it was, the company that did the t-shirts sourced them in the wrong place. End of problem, he explained what happened and fixed the problem. Some people make out that Brand himself was in Bangladesh whipping kids and laughing about how much extra cash he made because of the cheap labour. It's like criticising Trump because you got a bad meal in his hotel.

[Deleted User]

Ush1 wrote: »

Did you watch the clip? The interviewer said part of the problem is the ultra rich driving up the cost of rent/housing in London. Brand is clearly a part of that problem but didn't want to admit it.

I suppose it's easier to blame the faceless US corporations on all the ills of society...

EDIT: I'll try to ignore all the other misguided stuff in your post, such as Russell Brand being born in London.

I really dislike Brand but it's a stupid agument tbh. So he shouldn't be allowed to live in London? The issue isn't someone renting a place, it's money (especially from abroad) flowing in to buy up blocks of property for investment where they make money (or at least hold value and clean it) without even letting it out.

[Deleted User]

Ush1 wrote: »

Did you watch the clip? The interviewer said part of the problem is the ultra rich driving up the cost of rent/housing in London. Brand is clearly a part of that problem but didn't want to admit it.

I suppose it's easier to blame the faceless US corporations on all the ills of society...

EDIT: I'll try to ignore all the other misguided stuff in your post, such as Russell Brand being born in London.

Russell Brand rents one house in London. He isn't a property investor to the best of my knowledge and claiming that he can't have an opinion on the subject because he can afford to rent a house is so absurd it doesn't even merit a response. As political debate goes it is moronic.

In the case of the New Era housing estate yes it is easy to blame US investment companies with no connection to London who buy up large amounts of traditional working class housing and then drive up the rents to force out locals. Who would you blame - Russell Brand?

As far as most people are concerned estuary Essex is London, I don't think you are going to impress anyone splitting that particular hair.

Cienciano

Good line from the end of the last live podcast with Louise O'Neill: "apologies to the lads who came in expecting to hear Horse Outside".

AlphaOmega1

hold your nose and say: "the reason yang bais are depressed is because of the patriachy" Well done you are now blindboy go write a book. I think he's a tool and everything he says should be taken with a large pinch of salt

Ush1

flookdgates wrote: »

Cheers, I got a good laugh out of that lol.

Here's another one: Remember a few years ago Bob Geldof promised to house 4 Syrian refugee families in his own home and implored the rest of us to do the same. Did he ever take them in I wonder?

Another classic:
https://www.joe.ie/news/watch-bob-geldof-shouts-insults-at-nigel-farage-from-a-boat-on-the-thames-549208

Apparently Geldof was actually drinking champagne on the boat.:pac:

Ush1

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, he really got him there! "Here you are working on behalf of a group of people fighting against a US investment fund buying out housing and driving them out of their community, but YOU rent a house in London!"

Like, what is the actual point of that comment? People who have money or power are not allowed to support people who don't? Do you believe that?

If Russell Brand was buying up property to rent out then the interviewer might have some kind of argument but as it stands it is completely irrelevant where he rents. Also he is a native Londoner living in the city he was born in. He isn't driving anyone out of anywhere.

Cretinous interview technique that Brand and the campaigners called out for the nonsense that it is.

I think Blindboy is a muppet btw.

Did you watch the clip? The interviewer said part of the problem is the ultra rich driving up the cost of rent/housing in London. Brand is clearly a part of that problem but didn't want to admit it.

I suppose it's easier to blame the faceless US corporations on all the ills of society...

EDIT: I'll try to ignore all the other misguided stuff in your post, such as Russell Brand being born in London.

Mickiemcfist

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I've found that with a lot of Rubberbandits fans over the years. They're way too invested in their fandom (it comprises a huge part of their "personality") and get really annoyed when someone can't stand their infallible icon.

"I think The Rubberbandits are crap."

"Oh yeah? Well, every thing you love is **** too!!"

Really? A quick glance above would indicate to me that the most indignant in this debate would be those who dislike the rubberbandits.

I don't care who likes/hates them, but I find it pretty funny how there are this many pages of argument over it. For instance, I don't like Bob Geldof, but I haven't checked to see if there's a Bob Geldof thread so I can go bash him. I understand he has fans & I doubt I, as a stranger on the internet could convince them otherwise. Nor would I want to.

[Deleted User]

Ush1 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lmlZWYvXMUo

One of my favourite champagne socialist moments, fair play to the interviewer.

Yeah, he really got him there! "Here you are working on behalf of a group of people fighting against a US investment fund buying out housing and driving them out of their community, but YOU rent a house in London!"

Like, what is the actual point of that comment? People who have money or power are not allowed to support people who don't? Do you believe that?

If Russell Brand was buying up property to rent out then the interviewer might have some kind of argument but as it stands it is completely irrelevant where he rents. Also he is a native Londoner living in the city he was born in. He isn't driving anyone out of anywhere.

Cretinous interview technique that Brand and the campaigners called out for the nonsense that it is.

I think Blindboy is a muppet btw.

Woke Hogan

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

So what are you arguing with me for? I think Blindboy's music is muck but have no problem with other people liking it. Likewise, you're entitled to you opinion on Oasis

I've found that with a lot of Rubberbandits fans over the years. They're way too invested in their fandom (it comprises a huge part of their "personality") and get really annoyed when someone can't stand their infallible icon.

"I think The Rubberbandits are crap."

"Oh yeah? Well, every thing you love is **** too!!"

PlaneSpeeking

Jesus - "the Rubber Bandits better than John Lennon".

The world is fckuing insane. I'm out.

Wibbs

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Imagine is even worse than Blinboy's tripe.

It's "worse" in another way; he was one of the finest song writers of the 20th century so he could dress whatever ism he was into at the time up and it would be instantly mainstream and popular. To be fair to him though, such things were passing fancies, rather than a career of protest songs and social commentary. I've always been well dubious of the latter. Goes from zero to preachy in seconds. To be fair to the Rubberbandits they're generally not preachy like that. When the Blindboy guy is IMHO it's bloody awkward and comes across as recycled.

PlaneSpeeking

flookdgates wrote: »

Cheers, I got a good laugh out of that lol.

Here's another one: Remember a few years ago Bob Geldof promised to house 4 Syrian refugee families in his own home and implored the rest of us to do the same. Did he ever take them in I wonder?

Absolutely he did!

And so did Lily Allen and Benedict Cumberbatch. Gary Lineker has three!!

(Note - not really)

PlaneSpeeking

Wibbs wrote: »

Not so unusual in music or art. John Lennon had the hard neck to write a song like "Working class hero" when he was very much a middle class boy who went to art college in post war Britain. Then again his video for Imagine where he sang lines like imagine no possessions while in his stately home with grounds. Music and art strongly tends to be a middle class pursuit.

Have to argue the "middle class boy" bit there.

I grew up in Liverpool and whilst Menlove Avenue is well posher than where I grew up, so are most places. A nice house doesn't make a happy life. John Lennon came from the most broken of broken homes

And I disagree about him not having any "validity" to write Working Class Hero (one of my top 5 songs). It's not about celebrating being poor or a certain class.

Listen to the opening two verses - that's about as autobiographical a tale of a miserable childhood as was ever committed to pen and paper.

Very harsh on him there. And undeservedly so.

DickSwiveller Returns

Brian? wrote: »

I’d think you were crazy. But again,it’s a matter of taste.

Oasis are mind numbing bland muck, IMO.

So what are you arguing with me for? I think Blindboy's music is muck but have no problem with other people liking it. Likewise, you're entitled to you opinion on Oasis

Brian?

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

If I told you that I think the cheeky girls song 'We are the cheeky girls' is better than Beethoven's 7th symphony would you think I was crazy or would you not think it was strange

I’d think you were crazy. But again,it’s a matter of taste.

Oasis are mind numbing bland muck, IMO.

flookdgates

Ush1 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lmlZWYvXMUo

One of my favourite champagne socialist moments, fair play to the interviewer.

Cheers, I got a good laugh out of that lol.

Here's another one: Remember a few years ago Bob Geldof promised to house 4 Syrian refugee families in his own home and implored the rest of us to do the same. Did he ever take them in I wonder?

DickSwiveller Returns

Wibbs wrote: »

Not so unusual in music or art. John Lennon had the hard neck to write a song like "Working class hero" when he was very much a middle class boy who went to art college in post war Britain. Then again his video for Imagine where he sang lines like imagine no possessions while in his stately home with grounds. Music and art strongly tends to be a middle class pursuit.

Imagine is even worse than Blinboy's tripe. The champagne socialists anthem

Ush1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=lmlZWYvXMUo

One of my favourite champagne socialist moments, fair play to the interviewer.