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Talent vs hard work

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  • #62
    deisedude
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    Testosterscone wrote: »
    Definitely a good book but don't mistake expert level proficiency with excelling in the parameters of amateur sport. 99% of us have put in no where near enough well rounded training to classify as hard work for the purpose of seeing this as the limiting factor

    Yes, I should have prefaced that it would be more applicable to professional athletes than amateurs


  • #63
    HelenAnne
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    TFBubendorfer wrote: »
    Gotcha. However, I still disagree. :)

    I think it's wrong to put all psychological factors into one single "mind over matter" bucket. Patience is very different to self-belief which is very different to discipline - just like the physical factors, there are plenty of different psychological factors that all play a role, some more important, some less.

    This isn't scientific at all, as it's a study-sample of one (me :)), but one psychological method that's accidentally working for me, is relaxing / accepting. I used to be quite focused when it came to races, and I'd usually write a race plan etc before important races, and I'd have a time goal, and plan how I was going to run it. It worked well for me, and I ran some races I was happy with.
    Then, this last year, I didn't want to put myself under pressure when getting back to racing, so I just told myself to run as hard as I could, and that I'd be happy with the race (regardless of time) if I just kept trying and ran all of the race as well as I could.
    The unexpected side-effect of this is that I seem to despair less in races than I used to -- I used to find if it wasn't going the way I wanted, I'd feel awful about myself and slow down. Allowing myself to just keep trying my best, even if that best wasn't 'good enough', has made me enjoy racing more and faster times are coming with that. (to be honest, I've only run a PB over one distance, but I'm close enough in the 5k & 2-mile).
    I thought this was a bit relevant to what TBubendorfer is saying above - that there's such a range of psychological 'tricks' & methods, and different ones may work for different runners - or for the same runners at different times in their lives.


  • #64
    demfad
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    Keeks wrote: »
    What defines "Talent"?

    Daniels has a general rule something like this:

    Basic ability in speed and speed endurance defines potential (talent).
    Pace at Lactate threshold defines performance (talent + training).


  • #65
    Murph_D
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    There was a guy on radio this morning talking about the ability to work hard being genetic.

    Case closed! ;)


  • #66
    Swashbuckler
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    Murph_D wrote:
    There was a guy on radio this morning talking about the ability to work hard being genetic.

    Steve Magness;

    "Separating average from good and good to great are two different things.

    For the vast majority of us, getting to "good" is enough to make us a success. And that requires hard work and effort. Not much talent is needed to make it to good."

    ;)


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  • #67
    Bluesquare
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    I’ll add my unscientific two bits worth .

    I’m at a level (with a bit of effort) that I have seen others just start at with no prior sporting history .

    And cruise it and not be out of breath . And others who ran as kids to a national level just train once a week and keep running to my standard .

    Friends who claim their talent is just stubbornness?? Ok

    I have no sporting ability - I didn’t play sport as a kid because I never got picked. I can see it with my son now he’s lacking the same whatever it is . Running is good for me because I don’t need hand eye coordination but just to keep running at a sub par level requires a good bit of consistency .

    Some people have good lung capacity , and are naturally shaped for distance running . Some people have asthma thyroid problems .

    I know haven’t reached my full potential and could train better but my potential is not the same as my national as a kid friend or my stubborn friend etc etc .

    And I know there are people that I can run faster then with less effort .

    I’m good at maths and this gives me many advantages So why can’t peeps be good at running .


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