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What's the obsession middle aged lads have with cycling?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,540 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    murpho999 wrote: »
    In the Netherlands the law states that if a cyclist is hit by a car that it is always the fault of the car driver no matter what as they can always see the cyclist.

    Think about it. So many people complain about cyclists breaking lights for example, which I agree does happen too often, but drivers can still see them and should not hit them.

    Why do car drivers think they don't speed, drive carelessly, break a red light,drive in the wrong lane on a motorway (Yes, if you stay in the middle lane on the M50 or M7 then you have no idea what you're doing.)
    The notion that cyclists cause major accidents is bogus and they will always be the worst off in the case of a collision with a car.
    Cyclists account for zero road deaths outside of cyclists themselves and motorized vehicles are responsible for 100% of all other road deaths but for some reason people don't get so annoyed about motorists as much.

    That’s a bull**** law. Everyone is accountable for their own actions. If some cyclist barrels through a red light then it’s their own fault if they’re hit by someone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    Just read most of the thread and have a few comments..

    Some or all may have already been made but..

    - Just cause someone is sitting in a car doesn’t mean they’re not fit. Cyclists don’t have a monopoly on being fit. It could even be one of your fellow sportsmen.

    - Weirdly I have no problem with cyclists in normal gear but I despise cyclists in lycra. I’m sure there’s some deep and meaningful reason for that but I know I’m not alone. Cyclists in lycra look like w@nkers.

    - The groups of cyclists out our way every weekend have become a major nuisance. There are too many groups and too many in each group often deliberately making it difficult to get by them to prove a point while the rest of us try and get on about our business.

    - For the vast majority of us the road is a means of doing business. Cyclists treat it like their personal play space, particularly every weekend and it’s pissing drivers off. I volunteered as a CFR for 3 years and was often caught behind them on the way to a call. The roads are not for sport. Get out of the way or take it elsewhere.

    - Why am I still looking at W’s sprayed all over the roads for the Wicklow 200. Again, these aren’t legal
    road markings and may be confusing to others. It’s also graffiti. They should be removed immediately after the race but they’re still there a month later.

    (And whomever runs the W200, windgates was lethal this year as the slowest cyclists were taking up the entire lane, so much so that I had a cyclist ask if he could undertake me about half way up the hill. I didn’t take issue but I did wonder what happened with the 1.5m rule. It obviously only applies when it suits cyclists.)

    - As for cafe owners loving you, some do some don’t. Some rely on you, some don’t. Some places do a great fry but have to turn regulars away while you have you’re coffee and a scone if their lucky.

    - With regard to attire, if I had a cafe i’d ban men in lycra. I don’t give a flying fluck if it’s sexist. You don’t see blokes leave a gym in it. Men in lycra look hideous and put other patrons off their food.

    - the number of sportives and charity cycles is growing and needs to be culled way way back. Allow a couple of events a year, like rallying, and the rest should be done off the road. Again, roads are not a toy..

    - FFS can those of you who are way too fat and unhealthy to cycle to the top of a hill, please dismount and walk your bike up. You’re a danger to your self and as you swing wildly left and right in your gargantuan effort to make it to the top. It’s dangerous for you as much as anything else..

    - Defensive cycling seems to be the new thing and I get the need for it at times, especially in an urban environment, but it’s being misused everywhere now, even when it’s not needed at all. For example it’s not required on a 2 lane road especially as it’s going up hill and it’s usually a bunch of fat, slow and unfit men that are most guilty of it.

    - Always needing to Cross the centre line on the road to pass a cyclist is a myth. There are numerous spots around me where it’s not the case so I assume it’s the same nationwide. Yet cyclists insist on riding in large groups and “taking the lane” so they can have a leisurely chat while a stream of cars trying to go about their business builds behind them.

    Red light means stop. I see you all consistently brake all the lights around me including at a T junction and it’s lethal. I shouldn’t have to be always looking out for some gob****e on a bike when driving through a green light.

    And finally the reason golf and other sports involving middle aged men don’t attract the same level of ire is because they’re not inconveniencing everyone else around then while enjoying their chosen sport. Cyclists out this way every weekend clearly get some kind of perverse enjoyment out of that aspect of it.. I’ve personally witnessed a group of 50 plus year old men give some poor young lady the finger for daring to bip them when they well deserved it because they were being dicks..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    ^^^

    Boilerplate anti-cyclist ranting. If you’re going to write an essay, at least try for originality.

    And if the “young lady” beeped them, she’s not a delicate flower.

    I think some cyclists might take a perverse pleasure in winding up motorists. Would you blame them? Winding up people who get wound up too easily is one of life’s pleasures.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    The only way cycling on Parliament street to Dame Street is uphill.

    Are you kidding me ????

    Down towards College Green ? The red lights at the t-junction of St Great George's St ? Downhill from the Parliament St end (starting further up obviously).

    Trust me - I saw the woman in front of me hit at speed by a bike, I'm very familiar with the layout, area and behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I could try for originality but I've yet to see a bank hold up with a getaway cycle, so I'm afraid I had to go with truth and evidence. Kinda limited there!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Nah, it’s a gussied up rant.

    “People shouldn’t wear things that I don’t like!”. A grown adult (I assume) wrote that. Oh my.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Are you kidding me ????

    Down towards College Green ?
    parliament street runs - one way - from grattan bridge (capel street bridge) to city hall.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 386 ✭✭aroundthehouse


    Rennaws wrote: »
    Just read most of the thread and have a few comments..

    Some or all may have already been made but..

    - Just cause someone is sitting in a car doesn’t mean they’re not fit. Cyclists don’t have a monopoly on being fit. It could even be one of your fellow sportsmen.

    - Weirdly I have no problem with cyclists in normal gear but I despise cyclists in lycra. I’m sure there’s some deep and meaningful reason for that but I know I’m not alone. Cyclists in lycra look like w@nkers.

    - The groups of cyclists out our way every weekend have become a major nuisance. There are too many groups and too many in each group often deliberately making it difficult to get by them to prove a point while the rest of us try and get on about our business.

    - For the vast majority of us the road is a means of doing business. Cyclists treat it like their personal play space, particularly every weekend and it’s pissing drivers off. I volunteered as a CFR for 3 years and was often caught behind them on the way to a call. The roads are not for sport. Get out of the way or take it elsewhere.

    - Why am I still looking at W’s sprayed all over the roads for the Wicklow 200. Again, these aren’t legal
    road markings and may be confusing to others. It’s also graffiti. They should be removed immediately after the race but they’re still there a month later.

    (And whomever runs the W200, windgates was lethal this year as the slowest cyclists were taking up the entire lane, so much so that I had a cyclist ask if he could undertake me about half way up the hill. I didn’t take issue but I did wonder what happened with the 1.5m rule. It obviously only applies when it suits cyclists.)

    - As for cafe owners loving you, some do some don’t. Some rely on you, some don’t. Some places do a great fry but have to turn regulars away while you have you’re coffee and a scone if their lucky.

    - With regard to attire, if I had a cafe i’d ban men in lycra. I don’t give a flying fluck if it’s sexist. You don’t see blokes leave a gym in it. Men in lycra look hideous and put other patrons off their food.

    - the number of sportives and charity cycles is growing and needs to be culled way way back. Allow a couple of events a year, like rallying, and the rest should be done off the road. Again, roads are not a toy..

    - FFS can those of you who are way too fat and unhealthy to cycle to the top of a hill, please dismount and walk your bike up. You’re a danger to your self and as you swing wildly left and right in your gargantuan effort to make it to the top. It’s dangerous for you as much as anything else..

    - Defensive cycling seems to be the new thing and I get the need for it at times, especially in an urban environment, but it’s being misused everywhere now, even when it’s not needed at all. For example it’s not required on a 2 lane road especially as it’s going up hill and it’s usually a bunch of fat, slow and unfit men that are most guilty of it.

    - Always needing to Cross the centre line on the road to pass a cyclist is a myth. There are numerous spots around me where it’s not the case so I assume it’s the same nationwide. Yet cyclists insist on riding in large groups and “taking the lane” so they can have a leisurely chat while a stream of cars trying to go about their business builds behind them.

    Red light means stop. I see you all consistently brake all the lights around me including at a T junction and it’s lethal. I shouldn’t have to be always looking out for some gob****e on a bike when driving through a green light.

    And finally the reason golf and other sports involving middle aged men don’t attract the same level of ire is because they’re not inconveniencing everyone else around then while enjoying their chosen sport. Cyclists out this way every weekend clearly get some kind of perverse enjoyment out of that aspect of it.. I’ve personally witnessed a group of 50 plus year old men give some poor young lady the finger for daring to bip them when they well deserved it because they were being dicks..

    excellent and accurate post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    excellent and accurate post

    I don’t know - he didn’t mention dog-startling, like.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Boilerplate anti-cyclist ranting. If you’re going to write an essay, at least try for originality.

    If you want originality, go buy a novel..
    _Dara_ wrote: »
    I think some cyclists might take a perverse pleasure in winding up motorists. Would you blame them? Winding up people who get wound up too easily is one of life’s pleasures.

    I knew i'd left a few things out but thanks for the reminder..

    - Cyclists excusing their own bad behaviour on boards..

    So would it be ok for drivers to wind cyclists up ?

    No.

    Thought not..

    The roads are not a plaything..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    P_1 wrote: »
    Well how are you supposed to anticipate a left hook? Or someone clipping your handlebars from behind?

    Wouldn't that be part of the conversation that we seem to be unable to have currently. Any discussion that starts rapidly descends into us-V-them. The hysteria around cycling is bizarre. I don't venture into the cycling forum often, as the attitude there makes me feel very unwelcome. Threads like the near miss one... "OMG I was cycling near the airport and a plane passed overhead, I could have died" Or the Journalism and cycling one... " everyone's out to get us, it's all their fault" The fact is that you don't need to be in control of "tonnes of metal" to be dangerous.

    I like to think of myself as a considerate and courteous road user. We all need to share the space and help each other to get through the day. But, as I said before, it's a two way street. I wonder if we'll ever be mature enough to have a conversation where we look at ourselves and acknowledge our own failings. Probably not, it's always the other side's fault.

    And good people continue to die.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Rennaws wrote: »
    If you want originality, go buy a novel..

    I think some cyclists might take a perverse pleasure in winding up motorists. Would you blame them? Winding up people who get wound up too easily is one of life’s pleasures.

    So would it be ok for drivers to wind cyclists up ?

    No.

    Thought not..

    The roads are not a plaything..

    Motorists are handling a two tonne vehicle. Like it or not, they are held to a higher standard out of necessity. A fact which tends to elude people when they’re foaming at the maw about cyclists.

    When you start whinging about the clothes people wear, it’s hard to take you seriously.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    parliament street runs - one way - from grattan bridge (capel street bridge) to city hall.

    Once again - I am talking about Dame Street.

    Where the lights are, at the t-junction at the bottom of Sth Great George's Street.

    Bikes come at speed FROM the top of Dame Street NEAR where Parliament St is located.

    Clear ??


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Motorists are handling a two tonne vehicle. Like it or not, they are held to a higher standard out of necessity. A fact which tends to elude people when they’re foaming at the maw about cyclists.

    When you start whinging about the clothes people wear, it’s hard to take you seriously.

    At no point whatsoever did I mention clothing, or attire or whatever anyone wears.

    It makes sense to wear appropriate clothing. Why would anyone care what someone is wearing ? As long as they obey the rules of the road they can dress at Borat for all I care.

    Yet your post decided to just mock the meaning behind mine and then tried to deflect it with by muddying the waters and quoting a different poster.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There are numerous spots around you where the lane is almost 4m wide?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    At no point whatsoever did I mention clothing, or attire or whatever anyone wears.

    It makes sense to wear appropriate clothing. Why would anyone care what someone is wearing ? As long as they obey the rules of the road they can dress at Borat for all I care.

    Yet your post decided to just mock the meaning behind mine and then tried to deflect it with by muddying the waters and quoting a different poster.

    I didn’t reply to you. :confused:

    Yup, just checked and it was Rennaws I quoted and responded to there in the post of mine you quoted. What are you wittering on about?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    We should ban people from doing yoga. Their clothes are too tight.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    PLUS they fart.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    I didn’t reply to you. :confused:

    Yup, just checked and it was Rennaws I quoted there. What are you wittering on about?

    Post #368. Referring to my "boiletplate rant" and then the dig about clothing.

    Ah hell with it, ignore function and reported. Too much like hard work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    At no point whatsoever did I mention clothing, or attire or whatever anyone wears.
    Oh look, it's a sock puppet!

    Hi Swanner!

    I'd say the OP is probably the same person too.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,324 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Post #368. Referring to my "boiletplate rant" and then the dig about clothing.

    Ah hell with it, ignore function and reported. Too much like hard work.
    eh - he was referring to Rennaws post. it's quite clear given the context. he quoted your reference to that post, and then referred to *that* post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,373 ✭✭✭pconn062


    I'm a runner, not a cyclist, and whatever about the issues a lot of motorists seem to have with cyclists use of the road (as a motorist, it never bothers me and I live in the country where you often meet large groups of cyclists). But the amount of men concerned with the tight clothing that other men wear is hilarious, there must be an awful lot of repressed feelings being buried away! :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    seamus wrote: »
    Oh look, it's a sock puppet!

    Hi Swanner!

    I'd say the OP is probably the same person too.

    What ???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Post #368. Referring to my "boiletplate rant" and then the dig about clothing.

    Ah hell with it, ignore function and reported. Too much like hard work.

    Eh, the ‘boilerplate rant’ comment was directed at Rennaws. :confused: The arrows pointing upwards indicate that.

    Sorry to break it to you but I’ve skimmed over your recent posts in this thread. Tetchy and inaccurate.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    PLUS they fart.

    especially in coffee shops while getting their green teas and chai's


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Wouldn't that be part of the conversation that we seem to be unable to have currently. Any discussion that starts rapidly descends into us-V-them. The hysteria around cycling is bizarre. I don't venture into the cycling forum often, as the attitude there makes me feel very unwelcome. Threads like the near miss one... "OMG I was cycling near the airport and a plane passed overhead, I could have died" Or the Journalism and cycling one... " everyone's out to get us, it's all their fault" The fact is that you don't need to be in control of "tonnes of metal" to be dangerous.

    I like to think of myself as a considerate and courteous road user. We all need to share the space and help each other to get through the day. But, as I said before, it's a two way street. I wonder if we'll ever be mature enough to have a conversation where we look at ourselves and acknowledge our own failings. Probably not, it's always the other side's fault.

    And good people continue to die.

    Well I'm more than willing to have the conversation. Perhaps others are too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    Neither would I, for anything bigger than a van. My point was if someone is not driving properly, it is not the fault of the cyclist if they get hit by someone who is not following the basics of driving (checking mirrors, indicating in good time etc).


    Of course its not the fault of the cyclist.



    But so what? The cyclist not being at fault is not going to bring them back from a fatal and possibly avoidable collision. Avoidable if they hadnt thought "well it wont be my fault whatever happens, I'm entitled to cycle up along a type of vehicle where I know there's a big risk".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    When you start whinging about the clothes people wear, it’s hard to take you seriously.

    So don't.

    Feel free to ignore anything i write.

    Yet here you are responding.

    I can walk around Amsterdam all day long and cyclists don't bother me in the slightest but why they all have to dress like tour de France wannabees to do a similar commute here is beyond me..

    It bugs the **** out of me and I make no apology for that, it's just how I feel.

    As I said, I know i'm not alone..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Rennaws wrote: »
    So don't.

    Feel free to ignore anything i write.

    Yet here you are responding.

    I can walk around Amsterdam all day long and cyclists don't bother me in the slightest but why they all have to dress like tour de France wannabees to do a similar commute here is beyond me..

    It bugs the **** out of me and I make no apology for that, it's just how I feel.

    As I said, I know i'm not alone..

    And you may also ignore what I write. And around and around we go. :)


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