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Gemma O'Doherty and Sophie Toscan du Plantier

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,078 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    The reality is, for as long as I can remember, we have had to depend on ITV and the BBC to inform us of serious abuses of power.

    Such as?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    The big problem for O Doherty is thats she's so disparaging of the media here the media club here tends to cast her as an outcast.



    That, along with the fact that you couldn't have her on a live show for fear of what she'd say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    Such as?


    Suing the Pope comes to my mind, which set iff the Ferns enquiry.

    The Beef Tribunal another, ITV was where the first allegations were made.


    Yeah, it's only two!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,832 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    BBC also did great work exposing the NAMA corruption up north when RTE wouldnt touch it. Spotlight also did great work on Fr Brendan Smith, another one that went under the RTE radar


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,078 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    BBC also did great work exposing the NAMA corruption up north when RTE wouldnt touch it. Spotlight also did great work on Fr Brendan Smith, another one that went under the RTE radar

    I understand that, but we need to be fair too. Some great exposure/reporting has been done by our own press.

    *And the beef tribunal stuff came out in the Dail first and was then picked up by ITV.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I understand that, but we need to be fair too. Some great exposure/reporting has been done by our own press.

    *And the beef tribunal stuff came out in the Dail first and was then picked up by ITV.

    Wasnt touched really by our own media

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,078 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wasnt touched really by our own media

    I was responding to the over the top remark that
    we have had to depend on ITV and the BBC to inform us of serious abuses of power.

    Anyone following proceedings in the Dail would have known about the story.
    And we have a good crop of TD's even today who have done sterling work on keeping people held to account.

    Not denying that media has turned a blind eye to some stories but they have also exposed significant wrongdoings at times too.
    Fair is fair. People in the UK would also be critical of ITV and BBC around the same issues. Generally it depends on what the individual titles are invested in or who they are owned by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    You understand that all these various allegations and theory's that gemma comes out with these days are lacking one thing , any kind of proof

    What allegation would you like proof to? I will go to her twitter page and copy the proof and paste it here. And as others have pointed out, no one will sue her over her allegations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    JMNolan wrote: »
    What allegation would you like proof to? I will go to her twitter page and copy the proof and paste it here. And as others have pointed out, no one will sue her over her allegations.

    What allegations has she made the someone could sue her for?
    Most of it seems to be "I know who dun it, but there is a big cover up".

    I don't know if she is on to something or not, but I take most of it with a pinch of salt. The linking of Madeleine McCann to the Mary Boyle case in Donegal seemed to be extremely tenuous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    robbiezero wrote: »
    What allegations has she made the someone could sue her for?
    Most of it seems to be "I know who dun it, but there is a big cover up".

    I don't know if she is on to something or not, but I take most of it with a pinch of salt. The linking of Madeleine McCann to the Mary Boyle case in Donegal seemed to be extremely tenuous.

    This is the comment I was answering.
    mynamejeff wrote: »
    You understand that all these various allegations and theory's that gemma comes out with these days are lacking one thing , any kind of proof

    It specifically makes reference to allegations. That poster mentioned allegations. You should ask that poster about the allegations.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    There is loads of this mad stuff in the short history of our state.

    Dónal Ó Lubhlaí and the missing tape AND transcript from 1991 'investigation' - how convenient.
    The whole 'boy in the attic' thing that happened in Palmerstown in Dublin in 1973. Completely dodgy police approach. Just left there. Move along.

    I can't fight against such a thing. I can only hope it never visits my door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,729 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Gemma O’Doherty is seen as a really brave and pioneering journalist by some folks. And is seen as a martyr for being sacked by Independent News and Media. But then you see her tweets and read her site and quickly realise she’s as mad as a bag of spiders. Conspiracy theorist, crank, rage against the machine sort.

    I only knew her name for reasons in your first two sentences. Her tweets then started showing up in the "Irish Media" section of my twitter feed and I was like WTF, this can't be the same person can it? It's bizarre, as too are some of her cheerleaders there. Some really off the wall conspiracy theories put forward and alleged to on a regular basis.
    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Thing about Gemma is that those who call her a crank never seem to be able to back it up.

    She pretty much backs it up herself, nobody needs to. She may hit something with some stories, others are off the wall.

    There's plenty of Ian Bailey in the media, I listened to a long interview with him a couple of weeks ago during drive time radio.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Benildus


    Gemma is a fcuking nutter. She blocked me on Twitter when I asked her how her Maddie McCann investigation in Donegal was progressing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,832 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Hurrache wrote: »

    She pretty much backs it up herself, nobody needs to. She may hit something with some stories, others are off the wall.

    As I said in an earlier post people cannot back up their allegations that she is a crank and I pointed out three of the main cases she is investigating- Mary Boyle, Father Niall Molloy and Cynthia Owens. No-one yet has come on this thread to refute what Gemma (and the victims) are calling facts in these cases.

    I mean its all very well to call someone a crank online but if you cant back it up with a solid argument as to why she is a crank then all it amounts to is just vacuous name calling, the stuff of playgrounds.

    I think half the problem in Ireland is that we are hard wired to believe that the Gardai are altar boys and when someone like Gemma challenges that notion people stick their fingers in their ears and shout conspiracy theory. The problem with that is there is already stacks of evidence that the Gardai is a corrupt force, planting bombs & weapons, heroin trafficking, framing murder suspects are all just part of their recent modus operandi.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    Benildus wrote: »
    Gemma is a fcuking nutter. She blocked me on Twitter when I asked her how her Maddie McCann investigation in Donegal was progressing


    Was that all?

    What did you expect her to do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,729 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    As I said in an earlier post people cannot back up their allegations that she is a crank and I pointed out three of the main cases she is investigating- Mary Boyle, Father Niall Molloy and Cynthia Owens. No-one yet has come on this thread to refute what Gemma (and the victims) are calling facts in these cases.

    I don't think anyone said she's a crank specific to those cases. Look at the broader picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,729 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 336 ✭✭Benildus




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Did she end ip offering any proof/opinions about Madeline McCann?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I was responding to the over the top remark that



    Anyone following proceedings in the Dail would have known about the story.
    And we have a good crop of TD's even today who have done sterling work on keeping people held to account.

    Not denying that media has turned a blind eye to some stories but they have also exposed significant wrongdoings at times too.
    Fair is fair. People in the UK would also be critical of ITV and BBC around the same issues. Generally it depends on what the individual titles are invested in or who they are owned by.

    The two examples were the Beef Tribunal and Child Abuse sex scandals, I never remember Irish media, RTE or The Irish Times ever exposing scandals of national importance....they were the first time mainstream media brought national abuse scandals and corruption to national attention.


    What stories have Irish media turned a blind eye to? Do you think?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    As I said in an earlier post people cannot back up their allegations that she is a crank and I pointed out three of the main cases she is investigating- Mary Boyle, Father Niall Molloy and Cynthia Owens. No-one yet has come on this thread to refute what Gemma (and the victims) are calling facts in these cases.

    I mean its all very well to call someone a crank online but if you cant back it up with a solid argument as to why she is a crank then all it amounts to is just vacuous name calling, the stuff of playgrounds.

    I think half the problem in Ireland is that we are hard wired to believe that the Gardai are altar boys and when someone like Gemma challenges that notion people stick their fingers in their ears and shout conspiracy theory. The problem with that is there is already stacks of evidence that the Gardai is a corrupt force, planting bombs & weapons, heroin trafficking, framing murder suspects are all just part of their recent modus operandi.


    your asking people to produce proof that gemma is a crank ?

    as soon as gemma offers some actual proof of her conspiracies she will become believable.

    one of your suggestions s that because two people didn't respond to allegations that they were peados that it must be true !

    its laughable really


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    Ipso wrote: »
    Did she end ip offering any proof/opinions about Madeline McCann?

    did she fcuk !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    your asking people to produce proof that gemma is a crank ?

    as soon as gemma offers some actual proof of her conspiracies she will become believable.

    one of your suggestions s that because two people didn't respond to allegations that they were peados that it must be true !

    its laughable really

    If someone is named in a publication as being a Child Abuser, and makes no effort to clear their name that would be incredibly odd.

    I've just read her latest piece....it is very hard to argue with any of it. https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/07/24/they-are-laughing-at-me-and-you/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭dense


    Benildus wrote: »
    Exactly


    Sorry, I didn't even realise she was on to that as well.

    Seems a legitimate question now!

    Weird case too though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Gemma O’Doherty is seen as a really brave and pioneering journalist
    What has she claimed that has been disproven?
    Benildus wrote: »
    Gemma is a fcuking nutter. She blocked me on Twitter when I asked her how her Maddie McCann investigation in Donegal was progressing
    But you're just an anonymous waste of electrons. Why would she bother with you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    What stories have Irish media turned a blind eye to? Do you think?
    The most obvious ones are the Magdalen laundries through their existence and the Irish sweepstakes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    If someone is named in a publication as being a Child Abuser, and makes no effort to clear their name that would be incredibly odd.

    I've just read her latest piece....it is very hard to argue with any of it. https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/07/24/they-are-laughing-at-me-and-you/


    She likes to ramble on doesn't she? She would be better sticking to one point rather than shotgunning out every single problem she can think of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    The most obvious ones are the Magdalen laundries through their existence and the Irish sweepstakes.

    They also missed the endemic planning corruption in Dublin, that was revealed in the Mahon Tribunal.

    If it wasn't for P Flynns extraordinary performance on the Late Late Show one evening, we would never have gotten to hear the account of Tom Gilmartin, we would have no idea how dysfunctional this state actually is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    They also missed the endemic planning corruption in Dublin, that was revealed in the Mahon Tribunal.

    If it wasn't for P Flynns extraordinary performance on the Late Late Show one evening, we would never have gotten to hear the account of Tom Gilmartin, we would have no idea how dysfunctional this state actually is.
    We are still told that the reason for the lack of high rise in Dublin is to preserve the view.
    We are told that the tramlines were ripped up 'just because'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,736 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I don't think anyone said she's a crank specific to those cases. Look at the broader picture.
    What does that mean?


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