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Three year old injured in acid attack in UK

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Import the third world get the third world

    Whats that supposed to mean?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    tuxy wrote: »
    Well going by this news story it seem to be mostly white males attacking muslims

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/muslim-man-acid-attack-victim-why-not-terror-attack-east-london-jameel-muhktar-resham-khan-21st-a7816331.html

    Is it the same in this case? Hard to tell, it's been a hot summer so many people have tans.

    One incident isn’t “mostly”. That said the juries out on this one given the demographics of Worcester and the ambiguity of the pictures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    How do these people get access to these acids.. genuine question.

    What acid was it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    That figure (on wiki) is from the 2001 census, which included the largest single minority group being British Pakistani.

    2011 stats are 92% white British (still high and above average). With 5,000 British Pakistani, a '70% increase in the decade' from 2001-2011. No stats for 2018 are available, afaik.
    // Should also mention 'traveller' classification has increased by 127%, and 'other asian' by 384%. 'White Irish' was the only drop (-17%).

    Regardless, 30yrs++ for any perps. Carrying it, without just cause should also be automatic 5yr.

    Thanks. Worth editing the wiki entry if it is so wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Thanks. Worth editing the wiki entry if it is so wrong.

    Perhaps, googlebot showed ..ww.worcestershire.gov.uk/download/.../id/.../demographic_report_-_census_2011.pdf on 1st search.

    Human Geography sure is an interesting subject. Read somewhere Romanians 413k, just overtook the Irish as the 2nd largest of foreigners in the uk. With most of the influx since 2014.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    What a pack of evil bastards.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭judeboy101


    YFlyer wrote: »
    What acid was it?

    Probably sulphuric or nitric. HCl is not as reactive on skin, hence its wide use in schools. You can also use alkaline chemicals like NaOH or KOH but prep wise, acid is easier.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Whats that supposed to mean?

    High levels of acid attacks in the UK, high levels of acid attacks in the third world and there are high levels of people from the third world living in the UK so there's a direct correlation between all three. When was the last time you heard of an acid attack in Poland or Hungary which are 99% idigeneous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    Life is cheap these days, in fact it always was really, it's just that in the modern age we are more readily exposed to it. It's been going on since the dawn of humanity.

    There are some 'human beings',well if you can call them human, who are just pure evil. It has many forms too.

    The child's life is effectively ruined. Hopefully these creatures will be locked away for a long time in one of the many pleasant prisons in England, I'm sure they will make some special friends there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    High levels of acid attacks in the UK, high levels of acid attacks in the third world and there are high levels of people from the third world living in the UK so there's a direct correlation between all three. When was the last time you heard of an acid attack in Poland or Hungary which are 99% idigeneous.

    So you can link to a report that says the majority of acid attacks in the uk are committed by people from the 3rd world i suppose?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    So you can link to a report that says the majority of acid attacks in the uk are committed by people from the 3rd world i suppose?

    No but it's an element of third world culture which people who are not from the third world are adopting. It was started off by the Pakistanis, then the Africans and Jamaicans caught on to it and now idigeneous British criminals are adopting it.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I came across these stats.. although the whole predictable way this thread has turned is very distasteful, the victims and horrificness of the crime are being written out of the discussion :(
    In reality, just 6% of all suspects in London over the last 15 years were Asian.

    For the same period (2002-16), 'White Europeans' comprised 32% of suspects, and African Caribbeans 38% of suspects. About one in five suspects remain unknown – either because they can’t be identified, or because the victim has refused to identify them.

    “The figures do suggest a lower number of Asian offenders,” said Dr Tara Young, a Criminal Justice and Criminology lecturer at the University of Kent. “However, there is a growing proportion of unknowns – and we don’t know if these contain a significant number of White European perpetrators or Asian perpetrators.”

    The number of Asian victims is 421 – around one fifth of the 2,196 total for the 15-year period. Almost half the victims (987) are White European, and one quarter (557) are African Caribbean.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/5d38c003-c54a-4513-a369-f9eae0d52f91
    The victims of London’s violent acid attacks are overwhelmingly male. Four out of five victims in 2016 were men, according to the statistics.

    From 2007 to 2011, around 50 men and 50 women were attacked each year. Since 2012, however, the number of attacks on men has increased dramatically each year, peaking at 352 in 2016.

    The statistics paint an unusual picture, according to experts familiar with acid attack data around the world.

    Jaf Shah is the executive director of Acid Survivors Trust International (ASTI), a charity that seeks to end acid violence.

    In the 15 years since his organisation was established, he has noted a familiar pattern to acid attacks around the world that is outlined prominently on ASTI’s website: “Acid violence is a form of violence that has a disproportionate impact on women.”

    “In many regions of the world, most attacks relate to gender violence,” said Shah. “These attacks are often linked to rejected sexual advances, or marriage proposals.”

    “However, this does not appear to be the case in the UK.”

    When it comes to suspects, men have consistently made up the majority, accounting for nearly three quarters over the whole of the last 15 years, and 77% in 2016. The proportion of female suspects has collapsed from around 20% ten years ago to just 2% last year, while the proportion of unknown suspects has doubled in the last 10 years to 20%.

    This is likely to be related to a rise in moped gangs, according to Dr Simon Harding, associate professor in criminology at the University of West London.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    No but it's an element of third world culture which people who are not from the third world are adopting. It was started off by the Pakistanis, then the Africans and Jamaicans caught on to it and now idigeneous British criminals are adopting it.

    Thats like blaming americans for any shootings because they started shooting injuns in the wild west, or the chinese because they invented gunpowder:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,577 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Class (socio-economics) likely also is a factor in this cheap weapon.
    There does seem to be a strong trend in certain areas for these attacks (in Ldn anyway):

    GQhhsX6.png

    Newham, a borough which has the second highest percentage of Muslims in Britain is the epicentre.
    Whether that's relevant or internal to that area, or they are targetted from other areas is unclear, but it is highly unpleasent.

    Other stats show (for full year) of 2017.
    #1 - Newham - 398, and the lowest
    #32 - Kensington & Chelsea - 15


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    judeboy101 wrote: »
    Schools. Caretakers and teachers have familial obligations or are poorly paid. You'd be amazed how easy it is to get any non carcinogenic chemical through school lab order.

    Simplier than that. Car batteries, industrial batteries. I have trouble getting citric acid to clean the toilet bowl, chemist giving me shady looks. Farmers have acid for cleaning the milking tank and silage. Ask the right person in the pharma industry, why you would risk a secure well paying job is beyond me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Class (socio-economics) likely also is a factor in this cheap weapon.
    There does seem to be a strong trend in certain areas for these attacks (in Ldn anyway):

    GQhhsX6.png

    Newham, a borough which has the second highest percentage of Muslims in Britain is the epicentre.
    Whether that's relevant or internal to that area, or they are targetted from other areas is unclear, but it is highly unpleasent.

    Other stats show (for full year) of 2017.
    #1 - Newham - 398, and the lowest
    #32 - Kensington & Chelsea - 15

    http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/crime-court/newham-has-highest-rate-of-acid-attacks-in-london-figures-show-1-5349044
    It also revealed that younger people are most likely to be a victim, with more than half being between the ages of 10 and 29. Victims were also found to be predominantly white European or African Carribean.
    “This data suggests that acid attacks, as with knife crime, are a youth-related issue. If we are going to get serious about preventing this rise we need to tackle the root causes of these attacks.”

    Last year’s incidents included an attack on a moped rider near Stratford International on the evening of July 13.

    Derryck John, 17, from Croydon, last week admitted carrying out this and five other assaults in east London witin just two hours.

    Its nothing to do with Muslims or imigrants, this is a (predominantly) youth thing, and is just another horrible escalation in teen gang warfare around the uk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/news/crime-court/newham-has-highest-rate-of-acid-attacks-in-london-figures-show-1-5349044


    Its nothing to do with Muslims or imigrants, this is a (predominantly) youth thing, and is just another horrible escalation in teen gang warfare around the uk.

    Muslims constitute 5% of the General population of the UK yet make up 30% of the prison population. They majority are in for sexual assault and acid attacks. Does that look proportional to you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Muslims constitute 5% of the General population of the UK yet make up 30% of the prison population. They majority are in for sexual assault and acid attacks. Does that look proportional to you?

    Well i cant comment unless you back that statement up with a link please?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Well i cant comment unless you back that statement up with a link please?

    Even the lefty liberals in the Huffington Post will admit it.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/lammy-review-muslim-prisoners_uk_59afcaa0e4b0b5e531022f26


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,492 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    What a horrible outcome for the innocent 3 year old child & his family. I don't know how any person with such a sick mind would justify doing an acid attack on an innocent person especially if it is someone is as young as a 3 year old boy. The implications for the young fella being the victim of this attack are endless & profoundly upsetting. He did not deserve to have this done to him because it wasn't his fault.

    The perps who will get caught doing this attack deserve all of the **** that will go towards them from the public with preferably a hefty 100 year sentence for each of them involved from the courts. This ideally should teach them that a disgusting attack like this should be made preventable with new laws coming in to prevent acid attacks in the UK ASAP. New punishments like hefty sentences of 50 years minimum should be brought in to deter offenders from doing the crime ever again to any innocent person. That and increased heavy fines should do the trick to stop this disgusting crime altogether.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stephen15 wrote: »

    beat me to it....... Do you reckon they are of pakistani origin or do you think many of them are converts? A license to commit crime?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,033 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    The good news is that the Police in England are much quicker to deal with **** like this and not afraid to upset the snowflakes and release their pictures. They will be found I'm 100% confident if that.

    EVENFLOW



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Well i cant comment unless you back that statement up with a link please?

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/lammy-review-prisons-bame-islamophobia-rehabilitation-discrimination-a7937746.html

    Very similar statistic to our own traveller population. please feel free to comment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,905 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    beat me to it....... Do you reckon they are of pakistani origin or do you think many of them are converts? A license to commit crime?

    Both I would say. Large groups of Muslims in prisons converting people both idigeneous British and Afro-Caribbean


  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kuva wrote: »
    Was looking at a chart listing of sexual assaults carried out by foreigners here in Ireland yesterday, getting longer every year especially from certain types. "Sorry doors closed"

    Still looking for a link to this chart?


  • Posts: 19,174 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The good news is that the Police in England are much quicker to deal with **** like this and not afraid to upset the snowflakes and release their pictures. They will be found I'm 100% confident if that.

    What does looking for offenders have to do with snowflakes? Whatever they are!
    The police are looking for offenders for a vicious crime, of course they release CCTV in order to identify them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,293 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    beat me to it....... Do you reckon they are of pakistani origin or do you think many of them are converts? A license to commit crime?

    Well you claimed that
    Muslims constitute 5% of the General population of the UK yet make up 30% of the prison population.

    Yet the link says
    The Muslim prison population is now 13,200. It means Muslims are 15 percent of all prisoners but five percent of the British population.

    So if you are going to lie about that then i woukd definitely need to see proof for your claim
    They majority are in for sexual assault and acid attacks. Does that look proportional to you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Both I would say. Large groups of Muslims in prisons converting people both idigeneous British and Afro-Caribbean

    So they are amassing an army from the criminal class? There is no shame anymore in having a criminal record. Hell you can even get your PhD in Prison. The system is a joke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,033 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    bubblypop wrote: »
    What does looking for offenders have to do with snowflakes? Whatever they are!
    The police are looking for offenders for a vicious crime, of course they release CCTV in order to identify them?

    Yes, they don't always do that here was my point.

    Thankfully they do I'm UK and fair play to them for it

    EVENFLOW



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Well you claimed that



    Yet the link says



    So if you are going to lie about that then i woukd definitely need to see proof for your claim

    Well they arent in for "Ring and run" Even it is at 15%, it is still massively disportionate number. Those acid attacks were always going on in the UK but they are getting more numerous over the years.


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