Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

Trigger · 22-07-2018 10:17AM

Ah least there is a match tonight at a respectable hour

pjohnson · 22-07-2018 10:19AM

astradave wrote: »

Ah least there is a match tonight at a respectable hour

You can't say things like that without including k/o or opposition.

jayo26 · 22-07-2018 10:20AM

pjohnson wrote: »

You can't say things like that without including k/o or opposition.

If you were a proper fan you would know!!!!

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 10:21AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

Richarlison also 50mil in the papers. Its could be 35m with add ons.
Allison deal also a lot cheaper but could reach 70 mil
Quit reading the ****e papers

AidoEirE wrote: »

Ans giggsy my orignal point was that we needed a strong cb. You replied that we didnt and was happy to continue with what we have and what till next year.
Yet bar your defender you never backed up your post.
Goal post to me man

My very first post on this topic. Like I said, you should read before replying. I said we shouldn't sign him if Spurs hold on to 75 million price, not that we shouldn't sign him at all.

Re stopping read bs in papers, why do you think we haven't signed him yet?

Re bold part, what do you mean by I didn't back my point? I clearly said I rate Smalling and think Right winger, fullbacks are priority positions than CB. What else you want.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

We have what, less that 3 weeks for the start of the season? Bit disappointing that we haven't added right winger and not even linked with any.

Re CB, I would rather not sign any CB than paying 70 million for Alderweireld. He is a great CB, no doubt about it and it's not my money but club should be sensible with the money. They can't keep investing huge money on older players. He had injury issues and he is 29. Save the money, add few more million and we can sign Skriniar next season.

We need a right winger more than in any position.

Btw, Matic and Sanchez are with the team now, Sanchez will play in the second tour game according to Jose.

pjohnson · 22-07-2018 10:21AM

adox wrote: »

I agree with this but in my mind we have only really signed one player so far - Fred.

Dalot is one for the future, a signing for future seasons possibly if he developes. He’s s guy that has a handful of first team football to his career.

We needed 5 or 6 first team signings and realistically 4 would have been an excellent window.

At the moment we are on one and the clock is ticking.

I’ve no doubt that if we don’t make more additions we won’t be finishing second never mind first.

A defining three weeks or so for the club. Ridiculous that it’s come to this but I hope at least another couple of signings come in. If not the club is just regressing after making steps forward and may be unintentionally setting themselves adrift for the foreseeable future.

I'd say we will battling for 3rd at best with Spurs & Arsenal. The playing personnel simply aren't there.

Trigger · 22-07-2018 10:21AM

pjohnson wrote: »

You can't say things like that without including k/o or opposition.

You’re on the internet, source it

pjohnson · 22-07-2018 10:23AM

astradave wrote: »

You’re on the internet, source it

Cantona's Collars · 22-07-2018 10:29AM

Is anyone wondering if the board are worried about backing Jose on big marquee signings this year and his reputation of pissing off with his 3rd season meltdown tag?
Maybe they don't want to sign £100 million players and end up stuck with them if a new manager has to come in during the season and doesn't want these players.
It's still laughable though that we look like starting the new season with Ferguson's backline of Valencia, Smalling,Jones and Young still intact despite not being good enough.

S.M.B. · 22-07-2018 10:38AM

Would anyone be happy with a bid for Vida?

Rossi IRL · 22-07-2018 10:43AM

S.M.B. wrote: »

Would anyone be happy with a bid for Vida?

No he is just Lovern with long hair

Lord TSC · 22-07-2018 10:45AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Is anyone wondering if the board are worried about backing Jose on big marquee signings this year and his reputation of pissing off with his 3rd season meltdown tag?

I can't believe that, because it would be utterly idiotic to be blunt.

Not only is the "3rd season meltdown" narrative utterly stupid, and ignores the clubs Jose was at (Chelsea and Real Madrid are bombsites for managers), it would also be a self-fulfilling prophesy. To get second after years of struggling for top four, only to suddenly not want to back the manager ahead of trying to take a step up against a record-breaking champion side in City, would be so utterly, mind-numbingly stupid, that I just cannot believe there's truth behind such a theory at all. "We don't want to risk the manager imploding, so we aren't going to give him the weapons needed to make sure he doesn't implode". The logic is faulty.

Anyway, I'm frustrated but trying to remain optamistic still...

* I've always said I judge windows by their whole, not their part, and while we're running short on time, I will wait till the end before making a final judgement.

* While I wish we did our business quicker, there's no denying the entire market seems slow this summer for some reason. On top of that, no player has moved (bar, maybe, Mahrez) where I'm looking at them wondering why we didn't push for them.

* I go back to my "lack of briefings" thoughts; even if United weren't backing Jose, or had decided we'd do no more on the market, I think this would have been communicated to the press. The lack of communication makes me hope there is still deals being worked on, and positively moving along.

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 10:51AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I can't believe that, because it would be utterly idiotic to be blunt.

Not only is the "3rd season meltdown" narrative utterly stupid, and ignores the clubs Jose was at (Chelsea and Real Madrid are bombsites for managers), .

Exactly. People always forget Jose is Chelsea's and Madrid's longest serving manager in last 20-25 years.

Rossi IRL · 22-07-2018 10:52AM

Can see us signing Sandro soon.

My only hope then would be to use Shaw in a deal towards Alderweireld.

Think that will be in then. Sanchez will move to right wing, Martial will be left wing and shinny will still be right back.

22-07-2018 10:59AM

To be honest, I don't believe anyone is beating City to the title this season. Obviously United should be as good as they can be but they were at a very high level in the league the 2nd half of last season and didn't get close. I've said that I am happy to give Shaw a season to see what he can do on the left to solve that and given it doesn't look like Valencia will be replaced this Summer the team's main problem will remain. Then there's also the problem with Lukaku and Pogba's inconsistencies which won't magically fix themselves this season (though I think they are overblown with Pogba).

Though just because the league is unlikely doesn't mean there's not plenty to go for. It was embarrassing against Sevilla last season but in the big games against the English teams in the league United showed they can beat anyone on their day so the CL isn't out of the question, especially with a waning Barca and Real. United's best players are reaching an age now where they will be hungry for club honours and have the best tactical manager in the world. It's weird that I would be less surprised at United winning that than the league but there you go.

Drumpot · 22-07-2018 11:08AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I can't believe that, because it would be utterly idiotic to be blunt.

Not only is the "3rd season meltdown" narrative utterly stupid, and ignores the clubs Jose was at (Chelsea and Real Madrid are bombsites for managers), it would also be a self-fulfilling prophesy. To get second after years of struggling for top four, only to suddenly not want to back the manager ahead of trying to take a step up against a record-breaking champion side in City, would be so utterly, mind-numbingly stupid, that I just cannot believe there's truth behind such a theory at all. "We don't want to risk the manager imploding, so we aren't going to give him the weapons needed to make sure he doesn't implode". The logic is faulty.

Anyway, I'm frustrated but trying to remain optamistic still...

* I've always said I judge windows by their whole, not their part, and while we're running short on time, I will wait till the end before making a final judgement.

* While I wish we did our business quicker, there's no denying the entire market seems slow this summer for some reason. On top of that, no player has moved (bar, maybe, Mahrez) where I'm looking at them wondering why we didn't push for them.

* I go back to my "lack of briefings" thoughts; even if United weren't backing Jose, or had decided we'd do no more on the market, I think this would have been communicated to the press. The lack of communication makes me hope there is still deals being worked on, and positively moving along.

Not just that, the club has bought players before irrespective of manager. Every top club has its own player targets and priorities. The days of relying completely on managers is long gone, Wenger and Ferguson prob being two of the last to enjoy that luxury.

I would imagine the longer a manager is at a club and the success they have had would have a big bearing on how much say they have on player Signings.

And anyways its like you say absolutely retarded for a club to not support a manager and not replace them. That’s Newcastle/Ashley level idiocy and I don’t see Woodward being that stupid.

My guess is that Woodward is trying to negotiate for top targets and has thus far failed. It could be a result of the club trying to play hardball after 4 years of relatively just writing Cheques for whatever has been demanded. We slag levy but I wouldn’t mind having him on board to negotiate player sales/acquisitions. I would be interested to know what sort of reputation Woodward has in those circles as a negotiator....

In Saying that, I don’t care What a player costs once that player performs and gives the manager what he needs.

Drumpot · 22-07-2018 11:10AM

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Can see us signing Sandro soon.

My only hope then would be to use Shaw in a deal towards Alderweireld.

Think that will be in then. Sanchez will move to right wing, Martial will be left wing and shinny will still be right back.

From chatting with a spurs friend of mine I don’t think Poch will want Alderweireld as he doesn’t seem to mend bridges with players who fall out with him. I’m not convinced Shaw has the football intelligence or work rate for a Poch team.

Minderbinder · 22-07-2018 11:18AM

I don’t get the panic for a centre back. We have five of them. Jose has given Rojo a new contract. Bailly and Lindelof have only been at the club a wet week. Smalling and Jones are as good back-ups as you’ll find anywhere.

It’s actually the last position on the pitch that needs addressing.

The club shouldn’t have any dealings or contact at all with Levy anyway.

Lord TSC · 22-07-2018 11:20AM

Reports in Portugal that Juvi are bidding for Telles of Porto. Brazillian LB.

Would imagine thats a sign Sandro is on the move, cause they wouldn't need both. Just hope its to us and not PSG.

beno619 · 22-07-2018 11:25AM

S.M.B. wrote: »

Would anyone be happy with a bid for Vida?

Not directed at you but when people start asking about a player like Vida...

Im convinced football fans in general really struggle to accurately appraise central defenders.

Personally I don't get the love for Toby, like im sure hes great but he's no Ramos or Verane.

This thread went into meldown on the separate occasions that city signed Mangala & Otamendi and they have both turned out to be meh signings.

Long story short a lot of the CB people want us to sign wont be much of an upgrade on what we have, we put our own lot under a microscope and realistically only seem clips of CB's at other clubs or at most watched them at the world cup this summer.

Mitch Connor · 22-07-2018 11:28AM

Minderbinder wrote: »

I don’t get the panic for a centre back. We have five of them. Jose has given Rojo a new contract. Bailly and Lindelof have only been at the club a wet week. Smalling and Jones are as good back-ups as you’ll find anywhere.

It’s actually the last position on the pitch that needs addressing.

The club shouldn’t have any dealings or contact at all with Levy anyway.

None of them have proven to be elite level first choice cbs. Only bailly and lindelof would have a question mark over them. None of them have proven to be commanding, leading cbs.

New CB with one from bailly, lindelof or Jones for first choice beside them.

adox · 22-07-2018 11:46AM

Anyway looking forward to watching the match tonight. Hopefully Sanchez gets a run out. Would love to see him hitting some sort of form this coming season.

jayo26 · 22-07-2018 11:50AM

adox wrote: »

Anyway looking forward to watching the match tonight. Hopefully Sanchez gets a run out. Would love to see him hitting some sort of form this coming season.

I'd be surprised if we don't see him and martial and mata starting up front.

adox · 22-07-2018 11:58AM

jayo26 wrote: »

I'd be surprised if we don't see him and martial and mata starting up front.

I hope so as it’s what we will start the season with. Not sure how long Sanchez is there, a couple of days maybe? Hopefully ready to start.

jayo26 · 22-07-2018 12:04PM

adox wrote: »

I hope so as it’s what we will start the season with. Not sure how long Sanchez is there, a couple of days maybe? Hopefully ready to start.

Think only two days bit.he has been training.back in Manchester. I've only seen clips of him but he looking sharp.

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 12:25PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Think only two days bit.he has been training.back in Manchester. I've only seen clips of him but he looking sharp.

Jose confirmed it too that Sanchez will play as soon as he lands in US. He also said he trained with team for 5 days in Manchester, so he should be available to play from the start.

jayo26 · 22-07-2018 12:31PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Jose confirmed it too that Sanchez will play as soon as he lands in US. He also said he trained with team for 5 days in Manchester, so he should be available to play from the start.

Yeah I'm sure he will.

Not only pogba but some of the other current players really need to step up to the mark this year sanchez and needs a big one too he got a pass because he was settling in no excuses this season he seeks up for it to be fair.

Drumpot · 22-07-2018 12:40PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure he will.

Not only pogba but some of the other current players really need to step up to the mark this year sanchez and needs a big one too he got a pass because he was settling in no excuses this season he seeks up for it to be fair.

Exactly. If Pogba and Sanchez step up it’s a very different prospect.

jayo26 · 22-07-2018 12:44PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Exactly. If Pogba and Sanchez step up it’s a very different prospect.

Alot more too. Martial, Rashford, Herrera, the defence at times too!! So much of the team under performed last year.

Cantona's Collars · 22-07-2018 12:45PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Exactly. People always forget Jose is Chelsea's and Madrid's longest serving manager in last 20-25 years.

With the hierarchy at both clubs, anyone lasting 2 seasons or more is doing well.

Adamcp898 · 22-07-2018 01:01PM

Minderbinder wrote: »

I don’t get the panic for a centre back. We have five of them. Jose has given Rojo a new contract. Bailly and Lindelof have only been at the club a wet week. Smalling and Jones are as good back-ups as you’ll find anywhere.

It’s actually the last position on the pitch that needs addressing.

The club shouldn’t have any dealings or contact at all with Levy anyway.

Every single one of them have mistakes in them. For a team of our level, we give up a lot of goal scoring chances and rely heavily on DdG to dig us out much more than other top teams go with their goalkeepers. If DdG's form were to dip and he performed for us like he did at the World Cup then we could easily drop 9 points. A competent CB goes a long way to addressing the amount of chances we concede as well as freeing up our midfield.

With Alderweireld, there is a world class CB available for a fee (reportedly £50-75 million) that you can expect to pay for any quality CB. The potential that his fee drops to £25 million in a years time is completely moot because we need a CB now. There is also no guarantee that he actually becomes available at that price, but, if he does then we'll be competing with every other top club in Europe and do we think we can really compete with the likes of Barca or RM if they want him?

I really don't get the hand wringing over the fee when he's one of the best out there, especially when you realise that world class centre halves don't reach the market all that often. We wouldn't be overpaying for him imo and I don't see the logic when people say he's not worth it but then only to justify paying similar money for players like Willian.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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