Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

bangkok · 22-07-2018 01:04AM

I expect at least 2 more maybe 3....

Alex sandro "done deal"

Perhaps a centre back and then a wild card surprise near end of window

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 01:30AM

Alderwiereld and Willian id be happy with. Alder and Bailly would be immense i reckon. Willian throws a shift in and was top 3 players under Conte imo.
Not going to see a LB.

My worry is we have a Martial, Sanchez, Rashford problem on the left. Something needs to be sorted there. Fine no RW this summer, get Sanchez out there and have Martial on the left.

Would be a dangerous front 3

Think alot rests on Shaw here as if he comes back next season like the Shaw that was there before he broke his leg the partnership down that left could be unreal. Shaw/Depay played well together when going.

Doesnt solve our RW issue but ive no doubt you could rotate 1 of those 3 LW players to go out RW.

I dont know, just think the attacking players are there to sonehow make it effectively. Problem was last season it wasnt utilised effectively.

Its not even that im panicking or naught as 3 weeks is plenty to pull something out of the bag, i just think a Bale will be coming here no matter how much we go on about it. Was at fault at that myself in the past

Minderbinder · 22-07-2018 02:38AM

Two weeks now isn’t it?

Rayne Wooney · 22-07-2018 04:04AM

As it stands we will not get near city. We’ve added a decent midfielder, how much that improves us is debatable, and a right back who will probably not be much better than Valencia.

I think the clubs ambition will be tested in the next few weeks. We need to sign a player in that top bracket of forwards to have any chance of putting it to city but that seems an impossible ask at this stage of the window.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 04:52AM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

As it stands we will not get near city. We’ve added a decent midfielder, how much that improves us is debatable, and a right back who will probably not be much better than Valencia.

I think the clubs ambition will be tested in the next few weeks. We need to sign a player in that top bracket of forwards to have any chance of putting it to city but that seems an impossible ask at this stage of the window.

We have top bracket forwards, Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial and played correctly Rashford. What we need is a spine throughout, DDG, ?( cb def?injuries) matic, pogba, lukaku.

In the mid you have fred to acommadate all of the mid during the break.
Sanchez or Martial or Rashford off Lukaku on either side.

I mean Lukaku whipped in better balls from the RW last season than the lads on the left did for most of it. Just get a right footed player out on the rw i.e sanchez and play Martial on the left.

Im pushing this argument as a player like Martial id hate to see leave, and he will if the frustration of being benched again rolls up.

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 05:23AM

We have what, less that 3 weeks for the start of the season? Bit disappointing that we haven't added right winger and not even linked with any.

Re CB, I would rather not sign any CB than paying 70 million for Alderweireld. He is a great CB, no doubt about it and it's not my money but club should be sensible with the money. They can't keep investing huge money on older players. He had injury issues and he is 29. Save the money, add few more million and we can sign Skriniar next season.

We need a right winger more than in any position.

Btw, Matic and Sanchez are with the team now, Sanchez will play in the second tour game according to Jose.

pjohnson · 22-07-2018 06:12AM

bangkok wrote: »

Was obvious last summer as well before season even started.

Just cant get excited for new season with jose in charge but we'll see what happens. He might surprise us all

Well when Woodward isn't getting non-commercial deals done it makes Joses job considerably harder.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 06:54AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

We have what, less that 3 weeks for the start of the season? Bit disappointing that we haven't added right winger and not even linked with any.

Re CB, I would rather not sign any CB than paying 70 million for Alderweireld. He is a great CB, no doubt about it and it's not my money but club should be sensible with the money. They can't keep investing huge money on older players. He had injury issues and he is 29. Save the money, add few more million and we can sign Skriniar next season.

We need a right winger more than in any position.

Btw, Matic and Sanchez are with the team now, Sanchez will play in the second tour game according to Jose.

Im really struggling with this comment. Youd rather not sign a solid CB and save money for next season. WTF is stopping us this summer.

Injury issued yes, but he was by far the best CB in PL before it and now clearly wants a move.....

Stick with a jones (injury prone) smalling( cant judge a header) rojo(liability)
We have bailly who looks immense before his injury,
Lindelof who every will always ask that question is he good enough.
Last 2 need a solid vidic character beside them.

But well wait till next year..

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 07:09AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

Im really struggling with this comment. Youd rather not sign a solid CB and save money for next season. WTF is stopping us this summer.

Injury issued yes, but he was by far the best CB in PL before it and now clearly wants a move.....

Stick with a jones (injury prone) smalling( cant judge a header) rojo(liability)
We have bailly who looks immense before his injury,
Lindelof who every will always ask that question is he good enough.
Last 2 need a solid vidic character beside them.

But well wait till next year..

Skriniar won't leave this season, so it's better to wait rather than overpaying for one more injury prone player.

We can't keep on signing big money CBs every summer, we are not City and backed by state. We have limited funds and have to see where we need to invest properly.

People are too quick to forget how good Bailly was when he was fully fit, Smalling has been part of defense that was best or second best for last 4 years.

Also paying 50 million more for a player to sign him year before is madness, we are not talking about 5-10 million, 50 million, that's more than double the amount Barca paid to sign Umtiti.

Also hard to ignore "just injury issues". It's a big reason not to spend big, especially for a player who can be signed for 25 million next summer.

Edit: Smalling can't judge a header? He is by far the best in aerial duels at the club and one of the best in the league. It's something Toby struggles with btw.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 07:32AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Skriniar won't leave this season, so it's better to wait rather than overpaying for one more injury prone player.

We can't keep on signing big money CBs every summer, we are not City and backed by state. We have limited funds and have to see where we need to invest properly.

People are too quick to forget how good Bailly was when he was fully fit, Smalling has been part of defense that was best or second best for last 4 years.

Also paying 50 million more for a player to sign him year before is madness, we are not talking about 5-10 million, 50 million, that's more than double the amount Barca paid to sign Umtiti.

Also hard to ignore "just injury issues". It's a big reason not to spend big, especially for a player who can be signed for 25 million next summer.

What big money signing CB have we signed?
We have a huge amount of cash to spend, so many lads at this club are over paid, if at any other club they would be on half on what theyre on now.

Bailly was surreal, not the argument.

Smalling cost us more than saved us. The guy cannot judge a header.

Itll be more than a year, alderwireld has played plenty of games.

Have you rosed tintes glasses on?

Jones never lasts a full season for the last, what 5 years we've had him, but jump on alderweireld who was crooked half a season last year.
And you want to save money for some lad thats been bang average in italy.

What happens if skriniar has a **** next season while we wait?

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 07:37AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

What big money signing CB have we signed?
We have a huge amount of cash to spend, so many lads at this club are over paid, if at any other club they would be on half on what theyre on now.

Bailly was surreal, not the argument.

Smalling cost us more than saved us. The guy cannot judge a header.

Itll be more than a year, alderwireld has played plenty of games.

Have you rosed tintes glasses on?

Jones never lasts a full season for the last, what 5 years we've had him, but jump on alderweireld who was crooked half a season last year.
And you want to save money for some lad thats beem bang average in italy.

What happens if skriniar has a **** season while we wait?

We are not paying 75 million on Jones, he is already our player and should be shipped off, doesn't mean we have to add one more injury prone player for big money. What sort of logic is that? Since we already have a injury prone player, it doesn't matter if we sign one more injury prone player?

Difference is 50 million ffs, Spurs wants 75 million. A player who had injury issues and can be signed for 25 million in 2019.

Using your logic, what happens if Toby is injured for whole season? At least with Skriniar we will look for alternate targets.

Smalling can't judge a header? That's the most ridiculous thing I have read on boards. He loses his marker like any CB does from time to time, but can't judge a header? When that's his strongest attribute? And you want us to sign Toby who is weaker in aerial duels.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 07:39AM

Your a new level of moving goal posts, from where started

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 07:42AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

We are not paying 75 million on Jones, he is already our player and should be shipped off, doesn't mean we have to add one more injury prone player for big money. What sort of logic is that? Since we already have a injury prone player, it doesn't matter if we sign one more injury prone player?

Difference is 50 million ffs, Spurs wants 75 million. A player who had injury issues and can be signed for 25 million in 2019.

Using your logic, what happens if Toby is injured for whole season? At least with Skriniar we will look for alternate targets.

Smalling can't judge a header? That's the most ridiculous thing I have read on boards. He loses his marker like any CB does from time to time, but can't judge a header? When that's his strongest attribute? And you want us to sign Toby who is weaker in aerial duels.

So back to point 1 where we started.

Youd rather not add to the defence till next year?

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 07:56AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

Your a new level of moving goal posts, from where started

What goal posts are moved?

AidoEirE wrote: »

So back to point 1 where we started.

Youd rather not add to the defence till next year?

See if the option is 75 million for Toby then yes. I have already stated the reasons .
If for 75 million we can't find a better CB who can improve us, then our whole scouting should be shut down. If Jose cant think of an alternative, then he should reconsider his ideas.

Toby is very good CB, no doubt about it but we are risking paying 50 million more for a player just to land him 1 year before. You can sign a very good CB based on scouting and then sign him next year for 25 million.

Also it's very important to sign RB, LB, RW than CB. It's not even close.

All top teams are signing very good CBs for good price and also younger ones but we are the only team who can't sign a CB for less than 75 million or anyone apart from Toby. It's just laughable that people think money is not a problem considering how much we have spent in last 3-4 years.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 08:18AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

What goal posts are moved?

See if the option is 75 million for Toby then yes. I have already stated the reasons .
If for 75 million we can't find a better CB who can improve us, then our whole scouting should be shut down. If Jose cant think of an alternative, then he should reconsider his ideas.

Toby is very good CB, no doubt about it but we are risking paying 50 million more for a player just to land him 1 year before. You can sign a very good CB based on scouting and then sign him next year for 25 million.

Also it's very important to sign RB, LB, RW than CB. It's not even close.

All top teams are signing very good CBs for good price and also younger ones but we are the only team who can't sign a CB for less than 75 million or anyone apart from Toby. It's just laughable that people think money is not a problem considering how much we have spent in last 3-4 years.

Regarding goal post's hand's up my bad, but the comment saying you'd rather not sign a CB this summer when its very much needed gets me.

The fact youd wait till next year to do so leads me to believe your happy with what we have when its not.
Smalling never even made the WC squad. Its been pointed 100's times here of the liabailty he has. If you think he's good enough then, **** me. A new signing could ship any of the cb's out, but lets bet real, smalling is not good. DDG has made him look good

Edit;. I edit to make it readable, hassel when posting on the phone. Apologies giggsy

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 08:25AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

Regarding goal post's hand's up my bad, but the comment saying you'd rather not sign a CB this summer when its very much needed gets me.

The fact youd wait till next year to do so leads me to believe your happy with what we have when its not.
Smalling never even made the WC squad. Its been pointed 100's times of the liabailty he his. If you think he's good enough then, **** me. A new signing could ship any of the cb's out, but lets bet real, smalling is not good. DDG has made him look good

Well you keep on ignoring the reason. We have to overpay by 50 million to land Toby this season. Why can't we sign any other CB? Someone younger, not injury prone?

If we are going to judge players based on making world cup squad, lets not forget Young is a world cup semi finalist whereas players like Fabinho, Sandro didn't even make the squad.

Southgate wanted players who are good on the ball, so fair enough.

You don't rate Smalling and going by your posts you think he is a liability, I don't, I rate Smalling. Can we do better? Obviously but he is ManUtd's best CB when it comes to defending and more important than anything not getting injured every alternate game.

You think ManUtd have unlimited money so can just throw money easily, I don't. I think we have budget and can't waste it. I don't even think CB is priority position when we have bigger gaps in fullback position and non existent right winger in the squad.

Edit: Don't get me wrong here. I rate Toby very highly but we should take advantage of the situation rather than helping Spurs with 75 million. If we can get him for reasonable price then we should be all over him.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 09:30AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Well you keep on ignoring the reason. We have to overpay by 50 million to land Toby this season. Why can't we sign any other CB? Someone younger, not injury prone?

If we are going to judge players based on making world cup squad, lets not forget Young is a world cup semi finalist whereas players like Fabinho, Sandro didn't even make the squad.

Southgate wanted players who are good on the ball, so fair enough.

You don't rate Smalling and going by your posts you think he is a liability, I don't, I rate Smalling. Can we do better? Obviously but he is ManUtd's best CB when it comes to defending and more important than anything not getting injured every alternate game.

You think ManUtd have unlimited money so can just throw money easily, I don't. I think we have budget and can't waste it. I don't even think CB is priority position when we have bigger gaps in fullback position and non existent right winger in the squad.

Edit: Don't get me wrong here. I rate Toby very highly but we should take advantage of the situation rather than helping Spurs with 75 million. If we can get him for reasonable price then we should be all over him.

You dont have to bold bud, but your original comment was to hold on to next year for new cb's such as skri..(spl)
You cant judge a price now for your player and say wait and get him for the same $$. Its contradictory to distinguish a balancing point for me to argue with.

I can argue that our CB's arr not up to scratch

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 09:41AM

As in you cant say skri is worth this year, yet we should watch our spending,
Compared to pay 60mil for toby a top PL performer who was only injured for half a season.

Toby prices go down next year, you wait a year, skri will go up.

Literally makes no sense.

Apologies on your def name, useless at the phone replies

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 09:50AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

You dont have to bold bud, but your original comment was to hold on to next year for new cb's such as skri..(spl)
You cant judge a price now for your player and say wait and get him for the same $$. Its contradictory to distinguish a balancing point for me to argue with.

I can argue that our CB's arr not up to scratch

Yes and I also said it's foolish to spend 75 million for a player, who can be signed for 25 million nest year.

The CB you are so desperate is not a 50 million improvement.

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 09:53AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

As in you cant say skri is worth this year, yet we should watch our spending,
Compared to pay 60mil for toby a top PL performer who was only injured for half a season.

Toby prices go down next year, you wait a year, skri will go up.

Literally makes no sense.

Apologies on your def name, useless at the phone replies

Skriniar won't be sold at any price this season. His price will go up next season but we can't do anything about it this season. What we can do, save money and spend on Skriniar and Toby next season. Spending 75 Million on Toby + 75 million on Skriniar is madness when you can get them both for around 100 million next season.

If we can't find a better CB than we have without spending 75 million on 29 year old injury prone player then we should shut our scouting. Simple as that.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 09:53AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Yes and I also said it's foolish to spend 75 million for a player, who can be signed for 25 million nest year.

The CB you are so desperate is not a 50 million improvement.

Where are you getting 75mil from?
The CB you want, we'd have to wait for another year

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 09:54AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Skriniar won't be sold at any price this season. His price will go up next season but we can't do anything about it this season. What we can do, save money and spend on Skriniar and Toby next season. Spending 75 Million on Toby + 75 million on Skriniar is madness when you can get them both for around 100 million next season.

If we can't find a better CB than we have without spending 75 million on 29 year old injury prone player then we should shut our scouting. Simple as that.

I tap out!

jayo26 · 22-07-2018 09:55AM

Sanchez looks really good from what I've seen of him. He will be like a new signing if he is fully rested and raring to go.

Giggsy11 · 22-07-2018 09:58AM

AidoEirE wrote: »

Where are you getting 75mil from?
The CB you want, we'd have to wait for another year

That's the reported fee in papers and if you are asking that question now then you are just replying without even reading the post.

I said we should sign Toby for reasonable price, not for 75 million.

Ordinary man · 22-07-2018 10:02AM

It seems that the full backs are jose's blindspot. It's depressing when you think what top class fbs like marcelo,alba and kimmich can add to a team and the amount of chances they create and then think about how little valencia and young do for united. Maybe it will happen that shaw and dalot can step up but it is a huge longshot.

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 10:02AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

That's the reported fee in papers and if you are asking that question now then you are just replying without even reading the post.

I said we should sign Toby for reasonable price, not for 75 million.

Richarlison also 50mil in the papers. Its could be 35m with add ons.
Allison deal also a lot cheaper but could reach 70 mil
Quit reading the ****e papers

AidoEirE · 22-07-2018 10:07AM

Ans giggsy my orignal point was that we needed a strong cb. You replied that we didnt and was happy to continue with what we have and what till next year.
Yet bar your defender you never backed up your post.
Goal post to me man

beno619 · 22-07-2018 10:11AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Sanchez looks really good from what I've seen of him. He will be like a new signing if he is fully rested and raring to go.

Hopefully.

We could sign 3 more players and it wouldn't really matter if the underperformers in the squad don't pull up thier socks.

Didn't watch the first preseason games only the highlights but I was happy to see Martial taking lots of shots, Shaw also seemed to be playing quite high up the field.

pjohnson · 22-07-2018 10:12AM

beno619 wrote: »

Hopefully.

We could sign 3 more players and it wouldn't really matter if the underperformers in the squad don't pull up thier socks.

Didn't watch the first preseason games only the highlights but I was happy to see Martial taking lots of shots, Shaw also seemed to be playing quite high up the field.

He was playing LW for the last 25 minutes.

Edit: Well I think he got 20mins actually, Gomes got the last few minutes on the left.

adox · 22-07-2018 10:16AM

beno619 wrote: »

Regardless of what people want or think we need, we were never going to sign 6/7 first team players. 5 would have been great but 4 is probably realistic.

I agree with this but in my mind we have only really signed one player so far - Fred.

Dalot is one for the future, a signing for future seasons possibly if he developes. He’s s guy that has a handful of first team football to his career.

We needed 5 or 6 first team signings and realistically 4 would have been an excellent window.

At the moment we are on one and the clock is ticking.

I’ve no doubt that if we don’t make more additions we won’t be finishing second never mind first.

A defining three weeks or so for the club. Ridiculous that it’s come to this but I hope at least another couple of signings come in. If not the club is just regressing after making steps forward and may be unintentionally setting themselves adrift for the foreseeable future.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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