Thoughts on this car

obi604 · 21-07-2018 09:41PM #1

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/18596560

Need something for about 2-3 years. My Mileage is low per year.

Just wanna keep costs down a bit (new baby)......but don’t want to buy a 1 litre fiat panda either.

This car has 163,000 MILES on it, but from what I hear, they are fairly reliable.

colm_mcm · 21-07-2018 09:44PM

I think that particular car has been on sale for a long time. Longer than the days on the ad anyway.

They are quite reliable. I’ve seen hatchbacks for similar money (07/06), they’d be a lot better for what you’re doing.

obi604 · 21-07-2018 09:45PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think that particular car has been on sale for a long time. Longer than the days on the ad anyway.

Oh ok. So does that mean it’s not great

colm_mcm · 21-07-2018 09:47PM

Not saying it’s not great but it suggests that either the car is wrong, the ad is poor or the price is wrong.

Gat Dayum! · 21-07-2018 09:57PM

Do you actually want an automatic?

Without being high and mighty on it I would say it's an undesirable body style of the car, it's juicy at the petrol station (auto 1.8 petrol, especially if you're going to be using it around town), tax is high, mileage is high and the price is nuts.

Reliability wouldn't be an issue but it's just a crappy car and a crappy deal.

obi604 · 21-07-2018 10:05PM

Gat Dayum! wrote: »

Do you actually want an automatic?

Without being high and mighty on it I would say it's an undesirable body style of the car, it's juicy at the petrol station (auto 1.8 petrol, especially if you're going to be using it around town), tax is high, mileage is high and the price is nuts.

Reliability wouldn't be an issue but it's just a crappy car and a crappy deal.

Yeah. I want automatic.
I thought the MPG was decent on these.

What is a good price for this car?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 21-07-2018 10:05PM

Gat Dayum! wrote: »

Do you actually want an automatic?

Without being high and mighty on it I would say it's an undesirable body style of the car, it's juicy at the petrol station (auto 1.8 petrol, especially if you're going to be using it around town), tax is high, mileage is high and the price is nuts.

Reliability wouldn't be an issue but it's just a crappy car and a crappy deal.

I know the above is just your opinion but your opinion is completely wrong on this one.

They are a very good car, even in automatic. The saloon model is fairly desirable snd the vast majority of people looking for a reliable saloon petrol car on this forum are recommended a civic saloon FD1. The price is very reasonable if even a little cheap for an 08 model and they’re quite economical compared to similar sized petrol automatics. Tax is €570 which isn’t overly expensive.

The only thing you got sort of right is that the mileage is slightly high.

It’s ok that you don’t like them but don’t slate a car purely because it’s not something you would drive and finally I’m guessing your one of the ‘chape tax’ brigade that have resulted in this country being full to the brim of low spec Shiite diesel cars.

bazz26 · 21-07-2018 10:06PM

Baby Jesus cries - €570 is seen as being high tax and a 1.8 automatic is seen as a gas guzzler. Welcome back 1980s Ireland.

obi604 · 21-07-2018 10:09PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I know the above is just your opinion but your opinion is completely wrong on this one.

They are a very good car, even in automatic. The saloon model is fairly desirable snd the vast majority of people looking for a reliable saloon petrol car are recommended this model car especially on this forum. The price is very reasonable if even a little cheap for an 08 model and they’re quite economical compared to similar sized petrol automatics. Tax is €570 which isn’t overly expensive.

The only thing you got sort of right is that the mileage is slightly high.

Interesting. You seem to have a bit of knowledge on these. I know hard to say and depends on how it’s driven etc, but ball park, what kind of mpg could one expect from this 1.8 petrol automatic.

Is the high mileage a worrier ? Like am I looking at repair bills etc

obi604 · 21-07-2018 10:12PM

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think that particular car has been on sale for a long time. Longer than the days on the ad anyway.

They are quite reliable. I’ve seen hatchbacks for similar money (07/06), they’d be a lot better for what you’re doing.

Just wondering, Why would hatchbacks be better?

I’ve head the auto transmission in the hatchbacks is a bit clunky.

ION08 · 21-07-2018 10:15PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Baby Jesus cries - €570 is seen as being high tax and a 1.8 automatic is seen as a gas guzzler. Welcome back 1980s Ireland.

Sorry but your comment is a bit ridiculous. Why wouldn’t €570 be considered high?? - Especially to a new parent trying to “keep costs down”

Tax is realtive but why exactly would you consider it low???

What would that car cost to tax in the UK? £140?

What if i told you a BMW 640d costs €390 to tax??

€570 for a 1.8 civic is extortionate tax. Just because we hve become so accustomed to being bent over by our government for motor tax and you have become immune to it, doesnt mean it isnt high

Cee-Jay-Cee · 21-07-2018 10:15PM

obi604 wrote: »

Interesting. You seem to have a bit of knowledge on these. I know hard to say and depends on how it’s driven etc, but ball park, what kind of mpg could one expect from this 1.8 petrol automatic.

Is the high mileage a worrier ? Like am I looking at repair bills etc

On the open road it’ll do high 30’s into low 40’s so long as your not driving the lining out of it. Around town that figure will drop just like in any car. The mileage shouldn’t be a worry if the car has been well looked after and serviced regularly and at that price I wouldn’t be too concerned with the mileage. They’re a reliable car and repair bills should be few and far between and even if something does go wrong, parts are not overly expensive.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 21-07-2018 10:21PM

ION08 wrote: »

Sorry but your comment is a bit ridiculous. Why wouldn’t €570 be considered high?? - Especially to a new parent trying to “keep costs down”

Tax is realtive but why exactly would you consider it low???

What would that car cost to tax in the UK?

What if i told you a BMW 640d costs €390 to tax??

€570 for a 1.8 civic is extortionate tax. Just because we hve become so accustomed to being bent over by our government for motor tax and you have become immune to it, doesnt mean it isnt high

It’s not high when you consider the reliability of a petrol engine compared to the delicate diesels that fall apart if not driven on long journeys or serviced bang on time with expensive dealer only parts etc etc

The cost to tax the same car in the uk is irrelevant as this is Ireland and not the Uk.

A 640d (even the oldest one available to buy) is going to cost €60k, the civic is €2500. Do you always compare opposites to make your point??

obi604 · 21-07-2018 10:25PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

On the open road it’ll do high 30’s into low 40’s so long as your not driving the lining out of it. Around town that figure will drop just like in any car. The mileage shouldn’t be a worry if the car has been well looked after and serviced regularly and at that price I wouldn’t be too concerned with the mileage. They’re a reliable car and repair bills should be few and far between and even if something does go wrong, parts are not overly expensive.

That is decent mpg alright. Thanks. Would the mpg around town be totally crap ?

bazz26 · 21-07-2018 10:28PM

ION08 wrote: »

Sorry but your comment is a bit ridiculous. Why wouldn’t €570 be considered high?? - Especially to a new parent trying to “keep costs down”

Tax is realtive but why exactly would you consider it low???

What would that car cost to tax in the UK? £140?

What if i told you a BMW 640d costs €390 to tax??

€570 for a 1.8 civic is extortionate tax. Just because we hve become so accustomed to being bent over by our government for motor tax and you have become immune to it, doesnt mean it isnt high

Listen, if the OP is trying to keep costs down then why is he/she looking at a car that costs €570 to tax to begin with? It's low compared to a lot of pre 2008 cars. Nobody likes it but motor tax is a fact of life for motorists here, you can get over it or talk/whinge about it on the internet but that won't change it.

And I know pretty well how much a 640d costs to tax, but it also costs a hell of a lot more to buy the car for the privilege.

ION08 · 21-07-2018 10:31PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

It’s not high when you consider the reliability of a petrol engine compared to the delicate diesels that fall apart if not driven on long journeys or serviced bang on time with expensive dealer only parts etc etc

The cost to tax the same car in the uk is irrelevant as this is Ireland and not the Uk.

A 640d (even the oldest one available to buy) is going to cost €60k, the civic is €2500. Do you always compare opposites to make your point??

Yeah cleary your points are much better in tying to justify €570 as not being a high amount of tax to pay on a car worth €2500 :rolleyes:

It’s realiable so therefore €570 isnt high motortax to be paying??

What if it breaks down?? Can i offset the costs of that againts next years motor tax??

You have exactly the type of sheep mentality the government want people to have whereby youve been gouged for tax as a motorist to the extent that you feel €570 is low and even more rodocilously you are trying defend somebody for sneering at someone else who feels like €570 is a high amount of tax

TheRiverman · 21-07-2018 10:48PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Listen, if the OP is trying to keep costs down then why is he/she looking at a car that costs €570 to tax to begin with? It's low compared to a lot of pre 2008 cars. Nobody likes it but motor tax is a fact of life for motorists here, you can get over it or talk/whinge about it on the internet but that won't change it.

And I know pretty well how much a 640d costs to tax, but it also costs a hell of a lot more to buy the car for the privilege.

The crazy thing with 2008 cars is that the tax from January 1 to June 30 is the old rate based on engine size and from July 1 onwards is the rate based on engine emissions.€570 annual tax is emission band D and is quite expensive considering all the cars out there that are on bands A0 to A4 with annual tax of
€120-€200.

bazz26 · 21-07-2018 11:02PM

It would have cost over €600 on the older engine based tax system and not all cars automatically went into lower tax brackets in July 2008. If you want something similar with €200 a year tax then expect to pay more than 2.5k for the car itself. The problem here is that just because we are used to cars now with €180/€200 tax everything else shouldn't just be dismissed or ruled out because he costs a bit more to tax.

ION08 · 21-07-2018 11:07PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Listen, if the OP is trying to keep costs down then why is he/she looking at a car that costs €570 to tax to begin with?

I am listening , and it sounds like you now agree that €570 is infact a high amount of tax to be paying.

bazz26 wrote: »

motor tax is a fact of life for motorists here, you can get over it or talk/whinge about it on the internet..

What’s option ‘C’ ? Make smarmy comments about Jesus weeping and 1980’s Ireland whenever someone remarks at €570 being a high rate of tax?

bazz26 · 21-07-2018 11:42PM

ION08 wrote: »

I am listening , and it sounds like you now agree that €570 is infact a high amount of tax to be paying.

No I still don't deem it to be high, yes it's higher than a €200 a year to tax car but there are plenty of cars out there that cost more than €570 to tax too.

ION08 wrote: »

What’s option ‘C’ ? Make smarmy comments about Jesus weeping and 1980’s Ireland whenever someone remarks at €570 being a high rate of tax?

My "smarmy" comment was about the typical Irish attitude a poster gave by dismissing the car outright listing high tax, being an automatic and fond of fuel as if it was some sort of luxobarge, it'a Honda Civic for gods sake. It's ridiculous to dismiss the car for just those reasons don't you agree?

tcawley29 · 21-07-2018 11:49PM

Sure the OP can buy himself a cheap diesel for the cheap tax.

Then he can pay the idiot tax when his dpf and egr block up due to him not needing a diesel in the first place. Also more wear on tyres as diesel cars are heavier too.

I think I'm just scratching the surface here but to be honest I cannot be bothered to waste any more of my time with this argument on a saturday night.

OP you seem to have the right idea going for petrol as you said you will be doing low mileage so please stick with that idea and don't let anyone else brainwash you into thinking otherwise with tempting incentives such as "cheap tax". The diesel equivalent of the car will be more expensive than the petrol in most cases anyways.

I have no idea on prices or anything but would a prius be worth while for the OP to look at?

obi604 · 22-07-2018 07:57AM

tcawley29 wrote: »

Sure the OP can buy himself a cheap diesel for the cheap tax.

Then he can pay the idiot tax when his dpf and egr block up due to him not needing a diesel in the first place. Also more wear on tyres as diesel cars are heavier too.

I think I'm just scratching the surface here but to be honest I cannot be bothered to waste any more of my time with this argument on a saturday night.

OP you seem to have the right idea going for petrol as you said you will be doing low mileage so please stick with that idea and don't let anyone else brainwash you into thinking otherwise with tempting incentives such as "cheap tax". The diesel equivalent of the car will be more expensive than the petrol in most cases anyways.

I have no idea on prices or anything but would a prius be worth while for the OP to look at?

Thanks for comments.

Don’t like the look of that generation Prius , the next generation (2009) looks nicer and it’s a 1.8 as opposed to a 1.5 — but over my budget.

Getting back to the Civic. If we can ignore tax ; )

Overall, from what I am reading, it seems like a good car.

Just worried the car is on sale so long and the ad seems a bit crap and lazy.....But then again not all people have a gra for cars.

Gat Dayum! · 22-07-2018 08:53AM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Gat Dayum! wrote: »

Do you actually want an automatic?

Without being high and mighty on it I would say it's an undesirable body style of the car, it's juicy at the petrol station (auto 1.8 petrol, especially if you're going to be using it around town), tax is high, mileage is high and the price is nuts.

Reliability wouldn't be an issue but it's just a crappy car and a crappy deal.

I know the above is just your opinion but your opinion is completely wrong on this one.

They are a very good car, even in automatic. The saloon model is fairly desirable snd the vast majority of people looking for a reliable saloon petrol car on this forum are recommended a civic saloon FD1. The price is very reasonable if even a little cheap for an 08 model and they’re quite economical compared to similar sized petrol automatics. Tax is €570 which isn’t overly expensive.

The only thing you got sort of right is that the mileage is slightly high.

It’s ok that you don’t like them but don’t slate a car purely because it’s not something you would drive and finally I’m guessing your one of the ‘chape tax’ brigade that have resulted in this country being full to the brim of low spec Shiite diesel cars.

Wow, lovely condescending tone there.

Firstly, the "vast majority of people looking for a reliable saloon petrol car" - not sure what the relevance here is. I'm taking about the majority of car buying people, not just those already committed to buying a saloon!

€2500 for a car with 163000 miles and low to mid 30s mpg is most certainly nuts. OP could pay that all day long for a diesel with the cheap tax if he wanted so many miles on his car and even if he wants a petrol for the "reliability" you mention, the 2008 BMW 318 is 390 a year to tax, a far more desirable car and he'd easily find one for 2500 with way less miles than the Civic.

Finally, not sure about the low spec diesel comment... This is a low spec old Honda civic. And chape tax... That's a bad thing is it?!

OP, keep looking, it's a crappy deal at that price. Or knock like a grand off it. He'll bite your hand off.

obi604 · 22-07-2018 09:01AM

Gat Dayum! wrote: »

Wow, lovely condescending tone there.

Firstly, the "vast majority of people looking for a reliable saloon petrol car" - not sure what the relevance here is. I'm taking about the majority of car buying people, not just those already committed to buying a saloon!

€2500 for a car with 163000 miles and low to mid 30s mpg is most certainly nuts. OP could pay that all day long for a diesel with the cheap tax if he wanted so many miles on his car and even if he wants a petrol for the "reliability" you mention, the 2008 BMW 318 is 390 a year to tax, a far more desirable car and he'd easily find one for 2500 with way less miles than the Civic.

Finally, not sure about the low spec diesel comment... This is a low spec old Honda civic. And chape tax... That's a bad thing is it?!

OP, keep looking, it's a crappy deal at that price. Or knock like a grand off it. He'll bite your hand off.

Thanks for input.

Some people are saying 2500 is an ok price for this, you think it’s 1000 too much. Everybody has their opinion I suppose.

MarkN · 22-07-2018 09:03AM

ION08 wrote: »

Sorry but your comment is a bit ridiculous. Why wouldn’t €570 be considered high?? - Especially to a new parent trying to “keep costs down”

Tax is realtive but why exactly would you consider it low???

What would that car cost to tax in the UK? £140?

What if i told you a BMW 640d costs €390 to tax??

€570 for a 1.8 civic is extortionate tax. Just because we hve become so accustomed to being bent over by our government for motor tax and you have become immune to it, doesnt mean it isnt high

Using the relativity theory, you can’t buy a BMW 640d for €2,500.

obi604 · 22-07-2018 09:17AM

Gat Dayum! wrote: »

Wow, lovely condescending tone there.

Firstly, the "vast majority of people looking for a reliable saloon petrol car" - not sure what the relevance here is. I'm taking about the majority of car buying people, not just those already committed to buying a saloon!

€2500 for a car with 163000 miles and low to mid 30s mpg is most certainly nuts. OP could pay that all day long for a diesel with the cheap tax if he wanted so many miles on his car and even if he wants a petrol for the "reliability" you mention, the 2008 BMW 318 is 390 a year to tax, a far more desirable car and he'd easily find one for 2500 with way less miles than the Civic.

Finally, not sure about the low spec diesel comment... This is a low spec old Honda civic. And chape tax... That's a bad thing is it?!

OP, keep looking, it's a crappy deal at that price. Or knock like a grand off it. He'll bite your hand off.

Just had a quick gander there. For the bmw 3 series in petrol and automatic. Maybe I’m blind, but none are down at the 2500 mark. They start at 4500. 2 grand dearer.

2 grand would pay a lot of tax.

Ionised · 22-07-2018 09:37AM

What gearbox is in that Civic? Reason I ask is that my wife had a 2007 1.8 that had the truly hateful automated manual box that I would advise to avoid like the plague.

obi604 · 22-07-2018 09:42AM

Ionised wrote: »

What gearbox is in that Civic? Reason I ask is that my wife had a 2007 1.8 that had the truly hateful automated manual box that I would advise to avoid like the plague.

Your wife must have had the hatchback had she ? With the ishift transmission. The saloon has a traditional automatic gearbox.

Other than the gearbox, how was it?
How was MPG

Azatadine · 22-07-2018 09:47AM

obi604 wrote: »

Your wife must have had the hatchback had she ? With the ishift transmission. The saloon has a traditional automatic gearbox.

Other than the gearbox, how was it?
How was MPG

I had one for three years (manual) and I remember it being flawless. The car was pretty light on petrol for a 1.8 petrol, maybe low 40's on a daily round trip from Waterford to Wexford and back (80 miles or thereabouts). I think the suspension was more forgiving than the hatchback too. The boot was a little on the small side though.

Toyotafanboi · 22-07-2018 11:30AM

Ionised wrote: »

What gearbox is in that Civic? Reason I ask is that my wife had a 2007 1.8 that had the truly hateful automated manual box that I would advise to avoid like the plague.

I feel like I say this in all these threads but I have a Civic 1.8 i-shift and it's absolutely fine. You just have to know when buying it and driving it that it isn't an automatic gearbox, it's a semi automatic and that's just different.

I find it drives fine, it's given no reliability issues and it returns 45+ mpg across a tank which is touching on diesel territory for that age bracket of car.

The particular car in the OP has been the star of a couple of threads on here before I'm nearly sure, I'll try dig them up. It does have the wrong wheels on it but it looks clean and in all honesty if you got €150-200 more off the price it's be a very sensible purchase.

obi604 · 22-07-2018 11:36AM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I feel like I say this in all these threads but I have a Civic 1.8 i-shift and it's absolutely fine. You just have to know when buying it and driving it that it isn't an automatic gearbox, it's a semi automatic and that's just different.

I find it drives fine, it's given no reliability issues and it returns 45+ mpg across a tank which is touching on diesel territory for that age bracket of car.

The particular car in the OP has been the star of a couple of threads on here before I'm nearly sure, I'll try dig them up. It does have the wrong wheels on it but it looks clean and in all honesty if you got €150-200 more off the price it's be a very sensible purchase.

Thanks. What mpg would this saloon and traditional automatic achieve?

Other people think there needs to be 1000 off the price to make it seem valuable.

What do you mean by the “wrong wheels” ?

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