Iranian born man attacks 10 in Germany!

nthclare · 21-07-2018 07:59AM

That's the first time ever I heard of a Persian being involved in any terrorism in Europe.

They're Shia, well mostly and Shia Islam is a lot more tolerant and integrate than the wahabbies and Salafists.

Iranians have a lot more in common with us Celts than you think, Farsi and Gaelic have a lot on common...

Funkfield · 21-07-2018 08:14AM

Ride me sideways was another one!

Mr. CooL ICE · 21-07-2018 08:16AM

Maybe the attacker used to be a man

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 08:58AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

What has the US problem got to do with germany? Another point on US murders is that black people are the main perpetrators of the murders of blacks people in the US. Is that because they are black? No. It’s the equivalent of linking that Las Vegas massacre to the fact the shooter was white. The problems are US specific. The Islamic terror attacks in Europe are a problem different to the US problem.

Feckin hell. First you make the point that not all people can be judged based on the actions of one then you flip flop. This is all that prosecutors have said about the attacker.

Prosecutor Hingst told mass-market daily BILD that the suspected attacker is "a 34-year-old German citizen of Iranian origin"."We have no indication of political radicalisation of any kind," she added.

So wouldn't calling this an Islamic terror attack based solely on his country of origin go completely against the rule you just established in the first part of your post?

biko wrote: »

Next some sjw will bring up that more people die in traffic than are murdered. So apparently there is nothing to worry about, just carry on and hope no-one you care about is on the wrong bus..

You'd think with such a long list of forums under your moderator belt you'd be able to add more to a thread than just try and piss off the liberals or that you could at least do a better job of it.

robbiezero · 21-07-2018 09:50AM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I've seen this a lot on boards. Who are these "usual suspects" you speak off?

Also just out of curiosity, what is your opinion on catholicism?

Its used by posters who are dying to do a bit of virtue signalling but no one has yet said anything on the thread that they can find objectionable. Happening on a good few threads lately.

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-07-2018 11:07AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Its used by posters who are dying to do a bit of virtue signalling but no one has yet said anything on the thread that they can find objectionable. Happening on a good few threads lately.

If ever a phrase is used to much on here it has to be this crap, i swear there are posters with their fingers poised hovering over those 11 letters ready to shoehorn it into any post that does not agree with them.

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 12:18PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If ever a phrase is used to much on here it has to be this crap, i swear there are posters with their fingers poised hovering over those 11 letters ready to shoehorn it into any post that does not agree with them.

If ever there was an indicator that someone lacks a moral compass or is incapable of empathy it's the use of that phrase.

_Kaiser_ · 21-07-2018 01:19PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

If ever there was an indicator that someone lacks a moral compass or is incapable of empathy it's the use of that phrase.

If ever there was an indicator of someone unable to stand over an argument or counter others it's the use of emotive nonsense like this, name-calling and baseless accusations - playing the man, not the ball if you will.

This could go on all day

pleas advice · 21-07-2018 01:24PM

I'm not a snowflake, YOU'RE the snowflake!!

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 01:27PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

If ever there was an indicator of someone unable to stand over an argument or counter others it's the use of emotive nonsense like this, name-calling and baseless accusations - playing the man, not the ball if you will.

This could go on all day

Surely calling someone a virtue signaller is playing the man and not the ball? But I guess this is the right wing thing now. Demand civility and decorum while flinging mud from the gutter. But I'm glad you used the word emotive as a negative. It kind of proves my point.

_Kaiser_ · 21-07-2018 01:31PM

pleas advice wrote: »

I'm not a snowflake, YOU'RE the snowflake!!

No no.. you're the heartless/racist/xenophobic/<insert term of the month here>

:rolleyes:

And what the point of this? To shut down any reasonable discussion on valid topics of concern because they can't handle other views or debate their points in a reasonable way.

I asked this several times before and I've STILL to get a reasonable answer..

What benefits is there to Europe (and Ireland in particular) of allowing (tens of) thousands of people with no skills, no way to support themselves, and who come from a culture and religious system that is incompatible with our way of life, to resettle here?

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 01:48PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What benefits is there to Europe (and Ireland in particular) of allowing (tens of) thousands of people with no skills, no way to support themselves, and who come from a culture and religious system that is incompatible with our way of life, to resettle here?

No point complaining because nobody wants to answer your heavily loaded question. I'll presume you want to exclude all the non-tangible benefits, and by that I mean anything cultural or moral.

I guess the biggest issue for Europe going forward is the ageing population. Population numbers will stagnate and the median ages will continuously rise. The immigrants tend to come from countries with much lower median ages. here's a couple of articles that I found interesting.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/chris-johns-benefits-of-immigration-are-staggering-1.2892712

https://www.forbes.com/sites/riverbed/2018/06/20/business-leaders-new-survey-finds-digital-performance-gap-and-how-to-overcome-it/#7a400f86a4eb

But I guess the real test of immigration will be seen with Brexit. With major labour shortages predicted in some industries and an increasingly ageing native population it will be interesting to see how they deal with it without immigrants.

YFlyer · 21-07-2018 01:51PM

peaceboi wrote: »

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/20/man-with-knife-attacks-bus-passengers-in-germany-10-hurt.html

Of course no coverage on BBC, Irish times ðŸ€”

Lol

21-07-2018 01:51PM

Your answer is "I'm not answering that". Then you go with wishy washy "moral" norms as a plus? Like what? You round off by saying they'll repopulate the place, despite not really giving any plusses at all.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-07-2018 01:55PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I guess the biggest issue for Europe going forward is the ageing population. Population numbers will stagnate and the median ages will continuously rise. The immigrants tend to come from countries with much lower median ages. here's a couple of articles that I found interesting.

But I guess the real test of immigration will be seen with Brexit. With major labour shortages predicted in some industries and an increasingly ageing native population it will be interesting to see how they deal with it without immigrants.

Null point. Ireland already has one of the highest youth population and highest birth rates in the EU.

Automation will take upto 50% of ALL current jobs by 2030. The most at risk after this point, are all those that are not classed as 'highly skilled'.

These new arrivals will likely only add to the welfare state (unless they're programmers, brain surgens or scientists etc).

The only long-term labour shortages (outside of short-term seasonal demands) will be for people 'very highly qualified', 'highly experienced' and/or with 'exceptional skills', not to mention language fluency.

Then once tax harmonisation occurs, standby to watch 100,000's of jobs dissapear almost overnight.

Pat Mustard · 21-07-2018 01:58PM

Can we change the title to "German citizen attacks Germans in Germany"?

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-07-2018 02:00PM

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Can we change the title to "German citizen attacks Germans in Germany"?

Or German citizen born in Iran attacks 14 random Germans citizens in Germany, with kitchen knife and flees leaving smoking rucksack?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-07-2018 02:01PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Und jetzt, hier ist Evelyn mit dem Wettervorhersage.

*der

Feminine dativ

I'm literally a grammar nazi

Capital N.

Pat Mustard · 21-07-2018 02:04PM

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Or German citizen born in Iran attacks 14 random Germans citizens in Germany, with kitchen knife and flees leaving smoking rucksack?

Jest hopping the ball like

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-07-2018 02:08PM

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Can we change the title to "German citizen attacks Germans in Germany"?

And how the **** are well going to turn this into a multicultural/immigration thread then?

These there threads serve a purpose: culling the people incapable of arguing a point with logic when they start screaming personal insults and get banned.

kupus · 21-07-2018 02:13PM

listermint wrote: »

No, just factual.

You'll find Irish people enjoy facts.

Not fiction.

Doesn't fly here , we can smell spoofers

Ahem *cough Bertie /cough

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 02:42PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Your answer is "I'm not answering that". Then you go with wishy washy "moral" norms as a plus? Like what? You round off by saying they'll repopulate the place, despite not really giving any plusses at all.

No, I simply said there's no point complaining about people not answering a heavily loaded question.

Then I specifically said I'll avoid moral and cultural things because I knew someone like yourself would be triggered by them.

Then I pointed to two articles which explain my view better than I could. hard to tell what you mean when you say plus if you don't consider avoiding labour shortages and ageing populations a plus.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Null point. Ireland already has one of the highest youth population and highest birth rates in the EU.

How does it compare to the countries the immigrants are coming from?

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Automation will take upto 50% of ALL current jobs by 2030. The most at risk after this point, are all those that are not classed as 'highly skilled'.

It may do.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

These new arrivals will likely only add to the welfare state (unless they're programmers, brain surgens or scientists etc).

Pure speculation.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

The only long-term labour shortages (outside of short-term seasonal demands) will be for people 'very highly qualified', 'highly experienced' and/or with 'exceptional skills', not to mention language fluency.

Also speculation.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Then once tax harmonisation occurs, standby to watch 100,000's of jobs dissapear almost overnight.

More speculation.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-07-2018 03:03PM

(Earlier quote by Accumulator): Null point. Ireland already has one of the highest youth population and highest birth rates in the EU.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

How does it compare to the countries the immigrants are coming from?

Highly irrelevant question. Japan has 'negative' population growth, maybe they’ll these refugees much more than Europe’s 500,000m population, of which to source workers from.

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(Earlier quote by Accumulator): Automation will take upto 50% of ALL current jobs by 2030. The most at risk after this point, are all those that are not classed as 'highly skilled'.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It may do.

It MOST LIKELY will. (and that’s the experts view), not some random speculative boards poster.

//

(Earlier quote by Accumulator): These new arrivals will likely only add to the welfare state (unless they're programmers, brain surgeons or scientists etc).

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Pure speculation.

Higher speculation that you believe they be ‘highly’ skilled/experienced/educated.

You saying it’s more likely they’re all higher level degree holders with many years experience, and a good level of fluency? - That are currently crossing the Med and elsewhere without working permits or even any ID/qualification papers to show?

Sounds like speculation, (or wishful thinking, on your part).

//

(Earlier quote by Accumulator): The only long-term labour shortages (outside of short-term seasonal demands) will be for people 'very highly qualified', 'highly experienced' and/or with 'exceptional skills', not to mention language fluency.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Also speculation.

Ignorance.

Have you even read the PWC report on the affects of Automation and the 4th Industrial Revolution on jobs. Even Medium level (ord. degree) educated are at (44%c) severe risk of job loss within 12yrs (2030).

Maybe get oneself educated on this matter, before calling out on ‘skills shortages for the unskilled’?

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(Earlier quote by Accumulator): Then once tax harmonisation occurs, standby to watch 100,000's of jobs dissapear almost overnight.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

More speculation.

More ‘obvious’ Ignorance.

Do you believe this isn’t the wishes of the EU masters?
Do you believe this won’t happen within the next decade?
Do you believe the rest of the EU27 have a favourable view of the unfair 12.5% CT here?
Do you believe the EU aren’t talking about ex-powers to initiate this policy?
Do you believe harmonisation won’t ever occur across the EU?
Do you believe MN's will remain in an 22% Island off a non-EU island to sell good and services to the EU, when they move to Munich or somewhere handy. Then there's the UK which will become a tax-haven after 2020 (17%CT then and dropping).

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 03:47PM

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Highly irrelevant question. Japan has 'negative' population growth, maybe they’ll these refugees much more than Europe’s 500,000m population, of which to source workers from.

They may have to. Japan's population is shrinking and getting older. The prime minister has highlighted it as a priority.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/02/26/its-official-japans-population-is-drastically-shrinking/?utm_term=.4762989088d3

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

It MOST LIKELY will. (and that’s the experts view), not some random speculative boards poster.

It's only your view without something to back it up.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Higher speculation that you believe they be ‘highly’ skilled/experienced/educated.

You saying it’s more likely they’re all higher level degree holders with many years experience, and a good level of fluency? - That are currently crossing the Med and elsewhere without working permits or even any ID/qualification papers to show?

Sounds like speculation, (or wishful thinking, on your part).

Ah, a strawman.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Ignorance.

Have you even read the PWC report on the affects of Automation and the 4th Industrial Revolution on jobs. Even Medium level (ord. degree) educated are at (44%c) severe risk of job loss within 12yrs (2030).

Maybe get oneself educated on this matter, before calling out on ‘skills shortages for the unskilled’?

Well it's the first time you mentioned them and you haven't linked it or referred to anything specific passage. I've had a quick read over them. The projections seem to be based on policies and government investment remaining as is. But they also mention ways to help avert these issues by changing them. Although I csan't find mention of immigration or immigrants in either of those documents.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

More ‘obvious’ Ignorance.

Do you believe this isn’t the wishes of the EU masters?
Do you believe this won’t happen within the next decade?
Do you believe the rest of the EU27 have a favourable view of the unfair 12.5% CT here?
Do you believe the EU aren’t talking about ex-powers to initiate this policy?
Do you believe harmonisation won’t ever occur across the EU?
Do you believe MN's will remain in an 22% Island off a non-EU island to sell good and services to the EU, when they move to Munich or somewhere handy. Then there's the UK which will become a tax-haven after 2020 (17%CT then and dropping).

You appear to have cross posted from your conspiracy blog. Incidentally, who are our "EU masters"?

21-07-2018 03:54PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Then I specifically said I'll avoid moral and cultural things because I knew someone like yourself would be triggered by them.

Go on, try me. Tell me some of them. I never said there wasn't any. Would love to know. If you can list away, go ahead. See, you take a question being asked as an affront to you for some reason and also you manage to work in the word "triggered" when all I did was ask a question. Assume away all you want but if you're asked a question, it's really not that tough to answer if you've got the answers to give.

4068ac1elhodqr · 21-07-2018 04:04PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

They may have to. Japan's population is shrinking and getting older. The prime minister has highlighted it as a priority.

Indeed, and more so than the EU's 1/2bn workforce. But the real question is will japan want or need unskilled refugees, or do they seek highly skilled workers (aka 'skilled migration'), that's the real question.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It's only your view without something to back it up.

It's the experts view, it's only your view it without some to back it up.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Ah, a strawman..

Use this phrase when your're dumbfounded.
Or even better resort to 'conspiracy' (see below).

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Well it's the first time you mentioned them and you haven't linked it or referred to anything specific passage. I've had a quick read over them. The projections seem to be based on policies and government investment remaining as is. But they also mention ways to help avert these issues by changing them. Although I csan't find mention of immigration or immigrants in either of those documents.

This was mentioned to you before in another thread, but you failed to do your homework and read any of it, naughty boy.

Read it again: https://www.pwc.co.uk/services/economics-policy/insights/the-impact-of-automation-on-jobs.html

There are plenty of other sources, this is just one of many economic insights.

It's about workers and risk to their jobs, (even skilled workers are at risk). Immigration is irrelvant but point is we'll only need the 'skilled migrants'. Strangely enough this category can thankfully arrive and work here (legally) via skilled migration routes. Imagine that!

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You appear to have cross posted from your conspiracy blog. Incidentally, who are our "EU masters"?

You appear not to understand we're part of the EU, we now abide by many of their laws, customs and policies. Do you believe it's still the 1960's? Conspiracy theories this way... >

A bigger threat to Ireland than Brexit
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eu-tax-plan-is-a-bigger-threat-to-ireland-than-brexit-1.3220094

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/exclusive-audio-my-european-tax-plans-are-not-antiirish-insists-juncker-36137506.html

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 04:06PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Go on, try me. Tell me some of them. I never said there wasn't any. Would love to know. If you can list away, go ahead. See, you take a question being asked as an affront to you for some reason and also you manage to work in the word "triggered" when all I did was ask a question. Assume away all you want but if you're asked a question, it's really not that tough to answer if you've got the answers to give.

This was your comment.

Then you go with wishy washy "moral" norms as a plus? Like what?

Didn't sound like you were too interested in hearing any and I don't think I'll be wasting my time on someone whose made up their mind to dismiss the entire concept before they ask a question about it.

_Kaiser_ · 21-07-2018 04:10PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Go on, try me. Tell me some of them. I never said there wasn't any. Would love to know. If you can list away, go ahead. See, you take a question being asked as an affront to you for some reason and also you manage to work in the word "triggered" when all I did was ask a question. Assume away all you want but if you're asked a question, it's really not that tough to answer if you've got the answers to give.

I think that's the issue with these crusaders... not just on this topic - you see the same in any "controversial" thread.

Everything is taken personally, everything is an attack, "you're either with us or against us", with a good dose of buzzwords like "triggered", "phobic", "-ist", "far-right", "straw-man", "fake news" (thank you Donald Trump for inflicting THAT one on us!), and other such nonsense thrown in alongside some attempts at emotional blackmail, or to get the whole discussion shut down.

It's like arguing with children who've never been told "no" or learned that you don't always get what you want, and that not everyone will agree with you.

All to try and defect from the point that they HAVE no real argument that doesn't rely solely on personal opinions, the consensus of their social media followings, or which can't stand even basic questioning without the responses I've identified above being resorted to.

It cheapens what are subjects which DO warrant discussion, and it completely devalues any legitimate points they MAY have.

21-07-2018 04:12PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Didn't sound like you were too interested in hearing any and I don't think I'll be wasting my time on someone whose made up their mind to dismiss the entire concept before they ask a question about it.

Incorrect. Wishy washy referred to your vague description. So again, go ahead. All ears.

Captain Obvious · 21-07-2018 04:16PM

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Indeed, and more so than the EU's 1/2bn workforce. But the real question is will japan want or need unskilled refugees, or do they seek highly skilled workers (aka 'skilled migration'), that's the real question.

Where do you think all these skilled workers are going to come from exactly?

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

It's the experts view, it's only your view it without some to back it up.

I gave my opinion. You said the experts say otherwise. Up to you to provide your source.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

Use this phrase when your're dumbfounded.
Or even better resort to 'conspiracy' (see below).

Your comment was the very definition of a straw man. I'll break it down for you. First you made attributed a position to me I did not take.

Higher speculation that you believe they be ‘highly’ skilled/experienced/educated.

You saying it’s more likely they’re all higher level degree holders with many years experience, and a good level of fluency? -

Then you give a counter point.

That are currently crossing the Med and elsewhere without working permits or even any ID/qualification papers to show?

Then you challenge my view which is really not my view.

Sounds like speculation, (or wishful thinking, on your part).

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

This was mentioned to you before in another thread, but you failed to do your homework and read any of it, naughty boy.

Read it again: https://www.pwc.co.uk/services/economics-policy/insights/the-impact-of-automation-on-jobs.html

There are plenty of other sources, this is just one of many economic insights.

It's about workers and risk to their jobs, (even skilled workers are at risk). Immigration is irrelvant but point is we'll only need the 'skilled migrants'. Strangely enough this category can thankfully arrive and work here (legally) via skilled migration routes. Imagine that!

But you haven't shown why the proposals suggested to defer the effect on the labour market won't also work with immigrants in the equation.

Aidan Blue Mink wrote: »

You appear not to understand we're part of the EU, we now abide by many of their laws, customs and policies. Do you believe it's still the 1960's? Conspiracy theories this way... >

A bigger threat to Ireland than Brexit
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/eu-tax-plan-is-a-bigger-threat-to-ireland-than-brexit-1.3220094

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/exclusive-audio-my-european-tax-plans-are-not-antiirish-insists-juncker-36137506.html

You appear not to understand how the EU works.

Iranian born man attacks 10 in Germany!

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