Peak Trans

I have to say that some of the posts here are some of the worst I've read on this site, and from some people I would have had a lot of time for on other issues.

I don't know if it's not knowing the issues or if it's blatant transphobia or TERFism but wow, just wow.

I really hope its the former.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s insane. Literally.

Children naturally go though puberty. The action to prevent the puberty is the issue.

In no other circumstances do we accept that children can make these kind of decisions. They can’t drive, smoke, drink, vote or sign legal documents. They can’t have sex. They can get a tattoo. They can’t watch certain movies depending on age.

Apparently they can decide their gender however and have a right to stop puberty. An irreversible decision.

Its not an irreversible decision.

Calhoun wrote: »

If only it was a dose of ignorance and fear on its own, as seen with Canada its a slippery slope from 16 year old then move on to having your children removed from you at 12.

Then you have all the other behavior from the community, this article comes to mind showing how bad that community can be (shared already but way back) https://medium.com/@transvoicesforrepeal/trans-voices-for-repeal-call-on-the-together-for-yes-campaign-to-formally-apologise-to-trans-people-84931f0fa85d

Possibly a fake but at the same time you have a number of trans activist actively liking it. A more current example of how this community acts is the recent backlash against Scarlet Johanson who was to play a trans male in a role. Apparently only trans people can play trans roles.

Where all this leads to is a community that wants equality but only for them and will look to change laws to make sure it happens.

Think about the logical fallacy of your argument for a second.

Are all feminists SWERFs and TERFs?
Are all men rapists?
Did the sky fall in when we had equal marriage or repealed the 8th?

Every movement has its more extreme elements and often they are the loudest.

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

So in a couple of years only English people can play James bond...Only Black American's can play black characters in civil war era American based movies. Trans actors can only play trans characters

Believe it or not but they have advertised for an openly lesbian actress to play Batwoman because she is a lesbian.

Discrimination or wot!

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Am I an anti-natalist 'too'? In addition to what? Not being 100% sure whether it's absolutely ethical to force a child to go through puberty against their will? You seem to be arguing against a view that I haven't expressed.

The alternative is to put a child on a medication not intended for or tested on children. A medication that has documented long lasting health effects when used on children and adults. That certainly isn't ethical if that's what your primary concern is.

When a child is put on puberty blockers they are set on the road of a lifetime of pharmaceutical interventions. If they decide to continue with hormone therapy they will be placed on "cross sex hormones". Their bodies will never develop normally. They will never reach their full height. They will be infertile for life. They will potentially have brittle bones at a very young age. Effect on brain development is unknown. They will have under developed genitals making future surgery to create a "neo vagina" extremely difficult for trans women. How the **** is that ethical?

And people are claiming that parents who are reluctant to do this to their child are abusive and neglectful? It's honestly mind boggling to me how anyone could think this.

I predict a whole load of lawsuits in the future from infertile, ill adults who were not capable of making an informed decision about this as a child but who were allowed to anyway. Remember, all evidence suggests that 60-90% of trans children and teenagers do not consider themselves trans as adults..that's a huge majority who may be put on medication unnecessarily these days

Let a child indentify as they want, wear what they want and when they are old enough to make an informed decision about hormones or surgery, let them.

I think adults have the right to modify their bodies as they see fit, even if it's something I don't personally understand. And I have no problem seeings trans men and woman as just men and women.

But delaying puberty doesn't sit well with me. And I understand that it can put trans children in a really sticky situation. It's easy for a child to be gender fluid before puberty. It becomes harder once the hormones come rushing in. I get that. But at the same time, I can't help but think that part of that is because we don't live in a society that truly embraces gender fluidity. And is the answer to that really delaying a normal, biological process? Or is the answer continuing to push for a society where women and girls can have short hair, wear pants and men and boys can have long hair, wear sparkly dresses and no one really gives a shit? And I'm not saying that cross dressing is the same thing as being trans, just that, if we were more accepting of gender fluidity, would it make it easier on trans people who aren't old enough/don't have the resources to fully transition?

I'm also not comfortable with the idea that children who are unhappy with their bodies sometimes have adults around them who encourage that. I know this is a fine line, but I wish we could focus more on body positivity with all kids. Something along the lines of, "Your body may not be perfect, and when you become an adult, you will have the ability to change it. But right now, let's try to focus more on all of the awesome things it can do."