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  • #32
    JigglyMcJabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭JigglyMcJabs


    Jett Spoiled Yearbook wrote: »
    Macs are far far superior to windows machines despite what the Apple haters like to think. They are expensive but so are comparible windows machines problem is people compare an Aldi bargin laptop to a MacBook Pro and cry about it being way more expensive.

    I have a top of the range windows laptop provided by work and it’s left in the drawer of my desk gathering dust as I much prefer to use my own mackbook pro instead which on paper has lower spec but in practic is far superior.

    As the saying goes, once you go Mac you’ll never go back.

    Just as an example:

    https://www.dell.com/en-ie/work/shop/laptops/sc/laptops/xps-laptops

    Better reviews than current macbooks, upgradable unlike macbooks, comparable design and build quality and cheaper.


  • #33
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Jett Spoiled Yearbook wrote: »
    Macs are far far superior to windows machines despite what the Apple haters like to think. They are expensive but so are comparible windows machines problem is people compare an Aldi bargin laptop to a MacBook Pro and cry about it being way more expensive.

    I have a top of the range windows laptop provided by work and it’s left in the drawer of my desk gathering dust as I much prefer to use my own mackbook pro instead which on paper has lower spec but in practic is far superior.

    As the saying goes, once you go Mac you’ll never go back.

    Go look at dell or any site. You'll find the same spec for less.

    This is a macbook prop with an i5 and 8gb of ram.
    https://www.apple.com/ie/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MR9R2B/A&step=config#

    The same speced Surface book from microsoft costs hundreds less.

    It's not that there are apple haters. It's that there are realists and apple fanboys.


  • #34
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Grayson wrote: »
    And you need to connect them by cable to sync them the first time. However as you mentioned, the macbook has usb-c. So apple actually provide accessories that you can't fecking connect to the computer.
    The Magic Mouse and wireless Keyboard are Bluetooth and don't require a cable to sync.

    The touch bar yoke is in my humble a solution to a non existent problem, with added complication for no good reason. IE a gimmick.
    Jett Spoiled Yearbook wrote: »
    Macs are far far superior to windows machines despite what the Apple haters like to think.
    I've been pretty much exclusively Mac since 1989(SE, followed soon after by an SE30. My first portable was a PowerBook 180 in around 93), so yeah been in the game for nearly 30 years and through their "Apple's going bust next week" doldrums of the late 90's, so I'm certainly no "hater". However in the last few years their products have taken an obvious dive in engineering design. Reliability dropped too. The MacBooks are well known for video cards crapping out and not just one model either. Innovation took a hit with it. So while I would still massively prefer the OS environment over Windows(I was never a gamer which makes a difference) and keep using them, their draw is less than it was. Like I said given a choice between a free brand new Macbook of any model and one from 3 or 5, hell even 8 years ago I'd take the latter. No way would I have said that in 2010. Plenty in the trade would tell you similar.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #35
    Permabear
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  • #36
    verycool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭verycool


    I also dislike the new reddit design... and Apple.
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  • #37
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Grayson wrote: »

    It's not that there are apple haters. It's that there are realists and apple fanboys.
    Oh there are "apple haters" alright. Have encountered a few down the years. It was more in play in the past though. The period when Macs were significantly easier to use for actual work(and farting about) than Windows PC's. In said past I found the more geeky a computer "nerd" was - got the horn for command line types because that's real computing - the more they disliked Apple. They weren't "real computers", mainly because "ordinary people" could use them and didn't need a geeky type to help them to nearly the same extent they would with Windows. That's far less in play nowadays as OS's are pretty much on parity there. Another "apple hater" type was those who considered them PC's for "Arty types" or the more flush with money. There was a fair bit of snobbery going both ways.

    I personally preferred Macs simply because they were easier and more intuitive to use and work on and fix and yep didn't look like a lump of industrial office equipment. Again that's far less in play now. And much of that is down to Apple's existence and innovation of the past. Their innovation was rarely enough of the pure engineering kind, it was of the integration and design kind though. Others often brought engineering innovation to market ahead of Apple, but Apple made it more seamless, less clunky and easier to use.

    Most people aren't geeks or engineers - who tend to love complexity and customisation - and don't want a million different options and buttons, they just want it simple and easy to use instinctively. That was Jobs' true talent for knowing and exploiting that in the market.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #38
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    I like the way the Apple logo glows on the Macs.


  • #39
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    I 100% guarantee the all too real stereotype Apple consumer superfan will buy that and insist it is infinitely better than the '8' version they had was, just as they insist it's worth paying an extra €800+ every 18 months to have a new letter at the end of their iPhone.

    Not saying all people with Apple products at all at all, but there is a large cohort of Apple consumers that are almost unlike any others in how eager they are to part with huge amounts of money for no actual real gain, time and again.


  • #40
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I 100% guarantee the all too real stereotype Apple consumer superfan will buy that and insist it is infinitely better than the '8' version they had was, just as they insist it's worth paying an extra €800+ every 18 months to have a new letter at the end of their iPhone.

    Not saying all people with Apple products at all at all, but there is a large cohort of Apple consumers that are almost unlike any others in how eager they are to part with huge amounts of money for no actual real gain, time and again.

    Macbook pros are famously kept for many years.... maybe this one won't be but don't muddy the waters bringing up iphones. People do the same with all flagship phones that cost many hundreds of euros

    I'm not at all pro apple, I have an android phone, non apple desktop pc, etc. But have to use macbook pros all the time in work because everyone has a 6 year old one they won't let out of their grip till they die. Certainly not being replaced every time a new one comes out


  • #41
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Jett Spoiled Yearbook wrote: »
    Macs are far far superior to windows machines despite what the Apple haters like to think. They are expensive but so are comparible windows machines problem is people compare an Aldi bargin laptop to a MacBook Pro and cry about it being way more expensive.

    I have a top of the range windows laptop provided by work and it’s left in the drawer of my desk gathering dust as I much prefer to use my own mackbook pro instead which on paper has lower spec but in practic is far superior.

    As the saying goes, once you go Mac you’ll never go back.

    8GB of DDR4 or an i5 processor is not faster on one or the other, the OS might be preferential but it won't make a noticeable difference unless your hardware is just poor (or deceptive, e.g. looks great apart from one spot they skimped on that winds up hamstringing the whole machine). I think Windows 8 was one of the best things to happen to Apple in a long while as it was an utter clusterf*** and simply terrible OS, but Windows 10 I far prefer to anything I have used before and really feel that Microsoft nailed it there.

    I went back from Mac a few years ago after switching to it in the early 2000s. I get some might prefer the interface and for a good while it was light years ahead in terms of design as Wibbs mentioned, but after a while I noticed I was paying a significant markup for the exact same machine. Added to that, the whole move they have made of needing Apple products for basically everything attached would have been an automatic deal breaker for me... I remember how easily the one in my MacBook 10-odd years back broke, or more to the point, that is cost something like €80 to replace a fecking charging wire.


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  • #42
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    OSI wrote: »
    Walk in to any tech conference, developer meet up or large software company and the place is filled with Macs, but of course it's only the tech illiterate that use Macs :rolleyes:
    I think I've read that that is to do with availability of programming software and the ability to programme for many other platforms/OS's than on Linux or Windows, which doesn't exactly apply to most Apple users. On top of Mac's typically 'looking' better of course, which in my opinion is something companies put far too much emphasis on quite frequently.

    There is also the 'comfort' factor, personally I never noticed it on Mac but so many people cite it that it definitely is a thing - and as developers would be staring at the thing for 8, 10, 12 hours a day or more the likes of better mouse and keyboard hardware can definitely make a difference in that sense.


  • #43
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 38,989 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • #44
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,970 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Billy86 wrote: »
    8GB of DDR4 or an i5 processor is not faster on one or the other, the OS might be preferential but it won't make a noticeable difference unless your hardware is just poor (or deceptive, e.g. looks great apart from one spot they skimped on that winds up hamstringing the whole machine). I think Windows 8 was one of the best things to happen to Apple in a long while as it was an utter clusterf*** and simply terrible OS, but Windows 10 I far prefer to anything I have used before and really feel that Microsoft nailed it there.

    Have to disagree there.

    Windows 8 was a mistake from a UI perspective (mostly the start screen), but that's easy fixed with something like Classic Shell or Start8. Once done, you never have to see any of the "Modern UI" if you don't want to.. it becomes Windows 7 (still their best OS IMO) with a significant speed boost and useful Explorer (not to be confused with Internet Explorer) tweaks.

    Windows 10 on the other hand... leaving aside the privacy issues which are significant, is an OS that will never be finished - with significant feature changes (and removals) every 6 months, unavoidable patches that may or may not break things, a Start Menu primarily intended to advertise "apps" and unwanted games (which are reinstalled every time you do a major update too), and ultimately even more inconsistent between its various elements than Windows 8 is/was.

    This is annoying from a consumer/home user perspective, but in a business where stability and reliability is key it's a much, much larger issue.


  • #45
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    Macbook pros are famously kept for many years....
    That's true. They hold much better resale value too. Years back Disney went over to Mac and the reasons given were that while initial purchase price was higher(though no doubt they got a sweet deal) they lasted longer and depreciated less, required noticeably less software and hardware support, were less vulnerable to viruses and other malware and all of this impacted the bottom line.
    OSI wrote: »
    Walk in to any tech conference, developer meet up or large software company and the place is filled with Macs, but of course it's only the tech illiterate that use Macs :rolleyes:
    To be fair that's a relatively recent development. Pre say 2005 the only time you'd generally see a Mac in the hands of high end geeks, engineers and hackers was in the script of a Hollywood flic. In 2000 you'd be very hard pressed to find any non specifically Mac dev type with one. This is a thing pretty much since their OS went fully over to a Unix based one with tools that allowed them to run other OS's like Windows and various shades of Unix natively. In that regard they're still the most versatile. A while back I had MacOS, Windows and Linux running natively and seamlessly on three partitions and it was piss easy to do. Sure you can get a Dell to run MacOS(AKA a Hackintosh), but it would be a hack and not a stable one. At least not for the average user.

    Actually one area where Mac laptops are still ahead in my experience is in the use and feel of trackpads. I have found every PC trackpad I've used very much lacking by comparison. Some worse than others. It seems to be some software thing as running Windows on my MacBook the trackpad was the usual meh until I installed the apple supplied Windows trackpad driver. Major difference after that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #46
    bloodless_coup
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭bloodless_coup


    I was once at the house of a person who owns Mac and asked them what the WiFi password was. They said they didn't know, they have a Mac and it just connects by itself...Ok then.


  • #47
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I 100% guarantee the all too real stereotype Apple consumer superfan will buy that and insist it is infinitely better than the '8' version they had was, just as they insist it's worth paying an extra €800+ every 18 months to have a new letter at the end of their iPhone.

    Not saying all people with Apple products at all at all, but there is a large cohort of Apple consumers that are almost unlike any others in how eager they are to part with huge amounts of money for no actual real gain, time and again.

    There’s plenty of criticism of Apple’s Mac strategy on Apple dedicated fora. In particular people feel the Mac is disregarded compared to the iPhone.

    On the other hand plenty of geeks who once hated Apple have macs because of the unix base. And the hardware is reliable.

    I think they have messed up since 2015. In fact I upgraded my 2011 model to 2015 this year and touchbar be damned.


  • #48
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    doylefe wrote: »
    I was once at the house of a person who owns Mac and asked them what the WiFi password was. They said they didn't know, they have a Mac and it just connects by itself...Ok then.

    Someone may have set that up for them, or they forgot, and then of course they are right. It does automatically connect.

    Actually there’s also a technique to allow someone else access to your WiFi without a password if they own a Mac or iPhone and if they are in your contacts.


  • #49
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    doylefe wrote: »
    I was once at the house of a person who owns Mac and asked them what the WiFi password was. They said they didn't know, they have a Mac and it just connects by itself...Ok then.
    In a way an example of their "it just does stuff", switch it on and away you go. Obviously whoever set up their Mac in the first place just typed in the wifi password and it has kept the connection. That's a positive attribute, though has its negativities too. Everyday Mac users tend to be a bit too relaxed when it comes to security for example. Assuming Apple has taken care of all that. Windows users tend to be more aware, even paranoid and more up to speed with such things. Kinda like the difference between your average go to work and the shops hatchback driver and your petrolhead into get his or her hands greasy.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #50
    5rtytry56
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭5rtytry56


    irishguitarlad wrote: »
    It will look good in Starbucks though whilst you're writing your novel.

    Same act can be performed in COSTA outlets like Tge Square Tallaght, and Aungier street.


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    Permabear
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  • #52
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Dave Lee's channel is fascinating, you can see him struggling to maintain his optimism about the Apple brand in the last few months.

    Glad to see he's being honest to himself and his viewers.

    Less than 60FPS in Fortnite, with medium settings, on a 10K $$$ laptop is a laughably sinister joke.


  • #53
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,030 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    irishguitarlad wrote: »
    It will look good in Starbucks though whilst you're writing your novel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKdEdzHnfU


    Michael Hitchcock & the lovely Parker Posey.
    Best in Show (2000) IMDB


  • #54
    tinpib
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭tinpib


    Love my late 2013 Macbook Air, had a 2008 Macbook pro before that which was class, though took me a while to get used to the OS.

    However I switched from iPhone to Samsung, The fact that you can just connect up your Samsung/Android via USB to your laptop and copy files across like it were a USB stick/regualr drive is almost reason enough for me to never ever go back to an iPhone.

    Interesting comments here including all the sneering at Apple laptop users.

    I'll keep it all in mind whenever I'm replacing this laptop. I could well move back to PC.


  • #55
    Discodog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,135 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I had a gorgeous 17 inch powerbook & I also owned one of the first, click wheel i pods. Now I wouldn't buy Apple. My phone is Chinese, €200 & faultless. I don't care if people think I am inferior for not believing Apple's hype.


  • #56
    StereoSound
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭StereoSound


    Mac Book pros look good when your 20 sitting in Starbucks writing your college assignments. Essential soya cappuccino by your side because you say your lactose intolerant (even though your not, it just sounds trendy and cool these days to be dairy free and stylish to say you have an allergy to).

    On a serious note I wouldn't buy a MacBook pro unless I was doing serious video editing work for a living or similar. Too fckn expensive for regular everyday use.


  • #57
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    It's trendy for other people to say having a mac book in Apple is trendy.

    Trendception


  • #58
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,542 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    tinpib wrote: »
    Love my late 2013 Macbook Air, had a 2008 Macbook pro before that which was class, though took me a while to get used to the OS.

    However I switched from iPhone to Samsung, The fact that you can just connect up your Samsung/Android via USB to your laptop and copy files across like it were a USB stick/regualr drive is almost reason enough for me to never ever go back to an iPhone.

    Interesting comments here including all the sneering at Apple laptop users.

    I'll keep it all in mind whenever I'm replacing this laptop. I could well move back to PC.
    Errr what? Why would they not give you that option?


  • #59
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Apple are doing their very best to lose anything but their Starbucks clientele.

    MBPs used to be excellent machines up to about 2015. Overpriced but excellent machines all the same.
    Most of the stuff said here is rubbish spouted by begrudgers.

    I have two MBPs and wouldn't ever go back to Windows anyway. Maybe you cant get around it if you're gaming but it used to be cr@p and now thats its stable its just nagware and the amount of viruses and malware for it is staggering. Almost impossible to escape that sh1t for Joe Soap.


  • #60
    tinpib
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,648 ✭✭✭tinpib


    Thargor wrote: »
    Errr what? Why would they not give you that option?

    Maybe others can weigh in here but in my experience, you can't connect up an iPhone to your laptop, in my case a Macbook and have it appear as a drive.
    So you can't just copy on mp3 files for example.

    It would always automatically connect to iTunes which is designed by Satan himself. It's a pain to use and tries to sync up your laptop and iPhone music automatically when you don't want it to. Absolutely awful.

    Also wanted to just copy photos off my fathers iphone to go down and get physical copies printed. Couldn't just copy off the iPhone, the fix I came up with was uploading the ones I wanted to the cloud, then downloading them onto a laptop then onto a usb stick.

    Maybe there is a more straightforward way but it certainly wasn't obvious to me. Total and utter head ****. What should be intuitive is not.

    There used to be some wee Chinese hack app utility called something like iTools? This is back maybe 8 years ago, and it got around all that and you could use your iPhone like a drive and just copy files back and forth, then it stopped working.

    Apple don't want you fiddling with their stuff. If you read about Jobs or see the movie he was the polar opposite to Steve Wosniak who wanted everything open so you could muck around with it.

    Anyway, as I say maybe there is an obvious way around it I don't know about.


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can copy photos directly from an iPhone no problem whatsoever, once you connect the phone to a laptop it pops up as an external drive and you can simply copy and paste photos.

    You can’t copy and paste music but firstly who cares, its much neater to use iTunes and secondly who actually copies music to a phone any more when you have Spotify?

    I wouldn’t dirty my hand with an android and never will, Mac, iPad and iPhone all the way!


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