Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Well it's either unproven kids from elsewhere or washed up players, don't think players in their peak would move to Dutch league if they are good .

Sanchez was such a kid. Sold for 40 million after 1 season to Spurs. And all the profit from that is spent on Blind.

Or else keep your money in your pocket.

Tadic was bought because they thought Ziyech would leave but since he failed miserably at the WC, teams he think are good enough and are capable and willing to spend €40 million on him are not coming.
If it ends up with those 2 in midfield, there is every chance they will win the league. With or without Blind.
If Tadic replaces Ziyech, Blind isnt going to make up the 10 points they came up short last season on PSV.
Still might win it but that would than be because PSV couldnt get the necessary midfield business done.
And keeping Feyenoord behind them isnt depending on Blind either.

Now i know they still think over there they can play a part in Europe but that EL final in 2017 was a fluke of the highest order. The draw to get there couldnt have been better if they had been allowed to pick opposition themselves. That luck was gone last season already with Nice and Rosenborg in CL\EL.
Dutch teams have no role to play in CL\EL. the uefa made sure of that with those 4 countries getting 4 places in the group stages no matter what.

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Zidane gone to Juventus as director of football.

And there was me thinking he was getting the hell out of dodge so he wouldn't be the one left standing when the music stopped that would have to tell CR7 et al. that perhaps it was time to move on :pac:


Also on the Blind thing; not sure where people think Ajax's aspirations should lie re: looking abroad to fill the gap of experienced players in their squad. Blind would appear to be ideal for it.


And a final one: anyone else starting to get a little uneasy with the increasing likelihood that the level of creativity in the squad is not going to change?

inforfun wrote: »

He will always get his matches as he is the ideal 12th man in a squad. Can play him CD,LB and CM.
But he is not Dutch transfer record good.

Can dutch football be insulated from the general transfer market though?

It is becoming increasing irrelevant what past records were.

We broke the record buying Pogba two summers ago - the following season that record was doubled.

it doesn't feel like that long ago that 50million was unbelievable money - now it is the price you need to pay to get anyone of decent quality - ie. if United want to improve at CB and LB this summer, 50million or more is what will need to be spent.

Blind may be a transfer record but pretty much anyone at all will be hitting that mark, or no one in Holland is buying anyone.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Can dutch football be insulated from the general transfer market though?

It is becoming increasing irrelevant what past records were.

We broke the record buying Pogba two summers ago - the following season that record was doubled.

it doesn't feel like that long ago that 50million was unbelievable money - now it is the price you need to pay to get anyone of decent quality - ie. if United want to improve at CB and LB this summer, 50million or more is what will need to be spent.

Blind may be a transfer record but pretty much anyone at all will be hitting that mark, or no one in Holland is buying anyone.

Their not buying anyone. Blind is literally like one of the highest marque signings there in a few years.

The clubs are not competitive in the CL anymore so arn't drawing down big $$$, there isn't much if any foreign investment and there is little interest abroad in viewing the league from what I gather.

That it's no longer, and hasn't been in about maybe 3 seasons, being coined in "the top 5" says it all. Ligue Un is now 5th in most conversations where it used to be Eredivisie.

I find it personally saddening cause I've such good memories of some dutch players, teams and international matches and moments from them playing in tournaments.

Hope they sort themselves out, they should be a bigger deal than Ligue Un

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Can dutch football be insulated from the general transfer market though?

It is becoming increasing irrelevant what past records were.

We broke the record buying Pogba two summers ago - the following season that record was doubled.

it doesn't feel like that long ago that 50million was unbelievable money - now it is the price you need to pay to get anyone of decent quality - ie. if United want to improve at CB and LB this summer, 50million or more is what will need to be spent.

Blind may be a transfer record but pretty much anyone at all will be hitting that mark, or no one in Holland is buying anyone.

Previous record was set in 2008. Past records might be irrelevant for "buying" leagues with ever increasing tv money, the Dutch league isnt a buying league. Nor does tv money increase a lot. Idiots sold the tv right for 10 years only 2 or 3 years ago.
Dutch football fans aren't going to pay €170 a month to get football on tv. They go to the stadium in that case or watch he highlights on the open channels

Better players have arrived in those 10 years than Daley Blind that didnt break the record.

yabadabado wrote: »

Don't see any reason Eredivisie should be bigger than Ligue 1 .
In the past they have had numerous good teams and European champions but that day looks to be gone.

The 2 countries are miles apart population wise so its understandable Ligue 1 would be pushing on.

Well for me historically, some serious clubs with European pedigree, fantastic players, incredible acadamies. Like I guess you should know what I mean.

They've been static and haven't pushed and the likes of Ligue Un have taken them over, but literally just because of PSG and their Saudi Princes.

jayo26 wrote: »

I think alot of people are over looking Fred in this regard while he ain't proven In the league Fred is a very good playmaker if between him and pogba in midfield we don't have enough creativity then the manager has to be held accoubtable he has a welt of atacking options it's up to him to make them work.

I would be so much more confident if we got a right sided attacker I feel yes we need to improve defence but ultimately between Fred and a right sided attacker we have a full jigsaw to push on from last season.

Edit: obviously we need to improve in defence but I always felt right side attack is our biggest problem..

Thanks. Won't profess to have seen much of Fred outside of what I saw of him in Europe but had him down as the box-to-box, harry and harass type. Pleased to hear there's more to him than that even though I could see the need for the former also and wasn't against his signing in any event. I just haven't been able to shake the memory of so many games last season where we looked devoid of ideas and ability to construct play, hence my question.


CB is still my biggest worry. Alderwiereld for me is someone we should just go and get if there is any desire from his side to come, even if it means paying the customary Levy tax. He's arguably the best CB around and would improve infinitely on what we have.

Regarding RW; I've always been quite defensive of Mata in the side and have never been convinced that Jose actually wants to play two high and wide forwards when coupled with an actual centre forward (i.e. not a false 9, or some variation there of, that you so often see now when a team plays with multiple wide attacking players). So for me it currently isn't a priority position, at least not in the role that I think people want there.

Looks like Pool have sorted out their goalkeeper, not that I rate Allisson world class or anything but he's a hell of a lot better than what they have, they're having a very good window so far.

We better get a ****ing move on with transfers

https://twitter.com/utdxtra/status/1019201255435063296?s=19

Luke flying, there might be hope yet...

Wonder with Kieran McKenna now a Senior Team coach will we see some of the youth's who have played for him given more of a chance?

Quite a few coming on the tour. Really looking forward to Gomes and Chong. Would be great to get another young player break into the ranks and earn a spot.

Adamocovic wrote: »

Wonder with Kieran McKenna now a Senior Team coach will we see some of the youth's who have played for him given more of a chance?

Quite a few coming on the tour. Really looking forward to Gomes and Chong. Would be great to get another young player break into the ranks and earn a spot.

I wouldn't think there would be much of a push based on KMcK, to be honest. I don't see it as someone coming in and bringing the kids with him as a display of power - so the only chance the players have of being called in is if they impress Jose.

The kids are going on tour because DDG, Jones, Lindelof, Rojo, Young, Matic, Pogba, Fellaini, Lingard, Rashford and Lukaku (and currently Sanchez) are not. I don't see KMcK being promoted as the reason to look at for the kids going on tour.