Henry Cavill forced to apologize for #metoo comments

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Then jump on board, make metoo about male and female victims. Men rape and assault other men also. Let's all attack rapists together.

Ah so its only men who are the perpetrators in your book. Surprise, surprise. That is one of the major criticisms of this branch of modern day feminism. You asked the question earlier "why do some men get offended?". There you go.

Rennaws wrote: »

It does. It also targets sexual assault and harassment.

We have laws to protect citizens from all of the above.

But you said there are other avenues of change apart from law and order..

I asked you what they are..

So what are they ?

Um the cultural change I mentioned. People speaking out against the behaviour. This is an avenue of change.

This whole thread started because an actor made some comments that showed he has examined his own behaviour. Would that actor have spontaneously considered how he behaves without metoo? I doubt it.

I see you've downgraded it now to just sh1tty behaviour.

That's convenient given where our discussion is headed..

Is this downgrade the official line or just yours ?

Or is this all just driven by some anonymous mindless mob mentality on the internet..

Again metoo encompasses a wide range of behaviours.

For instance the guy who tried To push my friends drunk girlfriend into a taxi. Or men who follow a woman down a street making comments after she’s already declined his advances.

There’s been no downgrade. These behaviours have always fallen under metoo.

Well this is the problem for me. If there's no man, there's no crime. It's just some anonymous stranger waffling on the internet. I have no idea nor interest whether they're telling the truth or not because it can never be backed up or corroborated.

Come up with an accused, an accuser and an accusation and you've got yourself something we can talk about.

After the trial of course

If you don’t want to discuss things further then that’s your choice.

But there’s plenty to discuss.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It's not all about rape, there's many other cases, you need to read more metoo stories, you need to talk to women close to you more often.

Ffirst of all I never mentioned rape there is a lot more then rape a person can go to the police with. I know women with horrible times been out I have helped them out and creeps ate creeps but guess what it's not just women who have these situations.

What would you think would happen if men started a campaign on social media about them. Also as others have asked how are the accusers meant to respond and put up a defence maybe the women is not telling the whole truth 2 sides and all that or she has made it up or exaggerated it. Do you believe them all and just proclaim the man guilty.

I had no problem with the #metoo campaign as I believe it was set up for a very good cause to get the conversation started and to get support but it has gone in a totally different way now and does more harm then good

professore wrote: »

It's actually 5 seconds.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-sexual-harassment-training-rules-me-too-flirting-on-set-a8396431.html%3famp

My god that is shocking. You just know they by 'people' they mean men.

LLMMLL wrote: »

I didn’t say he’d done anything wrong. But he clearly has examined his attitude to approaching women.

You may think that’s a good or bad thing, but it’s still a change. Many posters here would claim that change can only be brought through legal measures. That’s clearly not true.

He examined his attitude?

Again, there was no attitude to examine.

You really should read the OP and see what HC actually said.

LLMMLL wrote: »

I have read his comments. Seems pretty clear he’s going to take a softly softly approach with women now.

He said what he had to say to get people like you off his back.

People are losing their careers over nothing..

I’d do whatever I had to do too..

LLMMLL wrote: »

I’m talking about the original interview. His career was not at stake.

Of course it was. That's what he was saying. He'll be incredibly careful when approaching females in future..

It's coming from a position of fear..

That's not healthy..

That's where the metoo movement has brought us..