Henry Cavill forced to apologize for #metoo comments

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Then jump on board, make metoo about male and female victims. Men rape and assault other men also. Let's all attack rapists together.

Ah so its only men who are the perpetrators in your book. Surprise, surprise. That is one of the major criticisms of this branch of modern day feminism. You asked the question earlier "why do some men get offended?". There you go.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Why can’t there be a middle ground where you say ‘ I don’t automatically believe but neither do I disbelieve you. I am going to withhold judgement until I have more facts’?

It doesn’t have to come down to believing or disbelieving.

There are thousands of stories, I've said this. They're not all lying, the stories brings concern to me and it should to all people. You don't have to believe every story and that's not the point. It's about highlighting the huge number of women who have been affected by rape and sexual assault. And the metoo campaign has done that.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

The disgusting treatment of many women gets highlighted through the metoo campaign. Some men get offended by it, can you explain that to me?

See this nonsense is why you've been arguing for days and have achieved nothing except embarrassment. You're just inventing strawmen and firing them at people instead of engaging in conversation.

I hate accusing people of strawmen tactics but I don't think you're aware you're doing it. In real life, do you just ignore conversation flow and just fire off random comments that have no relevance to what's being talked about?

py2006 wrote: »

Ah so its only men who are the perpetrators in your book. Surprise, surprise. That is one of the major criticisms of this branch of modern day feminism. You asked the question earlier "why do some men get offended?". There you go.

Well the huge majority of rapists are men, do you deny that? Again, I was saying we should attack rapists together and you get offended! Why?

Deleted User wrote: »

See this nonsense is why you've been arguing for days and have achieved nothing except embarrassment. You're just inventing strawmen and firing them at people instead of engaging in conversation.

I hate accusing people of strawmen tactics but I don't think you're aware you're doing it. In real life, do you just ignore conversation flow and just fire off random comments that have no relevance to what's being talked about?

You can't answer the question I posed to you.

AudreyHepburn

DONTMATTER wrote: »

There have been thousands of stories, why ignore all the serious one's for the few non serious?

Who’s ignoring anything? We’re all simply saying that the movement has reached a point where it’s no longer about outing real criminals anymore.

I saw a post on Twitter from an actress who was deeply upset when a man simply asked for her number after she smiled at him. You can’t honestly tell me that’s right.

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Who’s ignoring anything? We’re all simply saying that the movement has reached a point where it’s no longer about outing real criminals anymore.

I saw a post on Twitter from an actress who was deeply upset when a man simply asked for her number after she smiled at him. You can’t honestly tell me that’s right.

Again you're ignoring the serious one's. These are what are of concern. The thousands of women who have been raped and assaulted. Every woman I've spoken to about this has had a horrible experience in the past. Metoo has highlighted this and it's a good thing. Now we must do something about it.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You can't answer the question I posed to you.

Why would I answer this or even know the answer?!?

"Some men get offended by it, can you explain that to me?"

This a strawman. You are asking people to defend or explain things that they have no part of, and if they stupidly answer, you have successfully put words in their mouths.

Have a normal conversation and stop resorting to teenager tactics. It's clearly not working and everyone here has pointed it out.

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would I answer this or even know the answer?!?

"Some men get offended by it, can you explain that to me?"

This a strawman. You are asking people to defend or explain things that they have no part of, and if they stupidly answer, you have successfully put words in their mouths.

Have a normal conversation and stop resorting to teenager tactics. It's clearly not working and everyone here has pointed it out.

You are part of it! You are getting offended by people attacking rapists and sexual deviants. Why is that?

DONTMATTER wrote: »

You are part of it! You are getting offended by people attacking rapists and sexual deviants. Why is that?

This is by far the most retarded thing I've ever read on this site.

Deleted User wrote: »

This is by far the most retarded thing I've ever read on this site.

Using words like that really doesn't paint a good picture of your character.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Using words like that really don't paint a good picture of your character.

Says the person insinuating that I support rapists by lying and saying I get offended when they are attacked.

I'd much rather be known for foul language than for what you've been doing here for days.

I'm going to drop out of this conversation again. The point of the metoo campaign is being ignored and the I'm finding a lot of the responses here quite worrying.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I'm going to drop out of this conversation again. The point of the metoo campaign is being ignored and the I'm finding a lot of the responses here quite worrying.

You should be more concerned about your own posts.

Rennaws wrote: »

It does. It also targets sexual assault and harassment.

We have laws to protect citizens from all of the above.

But you said there are other avenues of change apart from law and order..

I asked you what they are..

So what are they ?

Um the cultural change I mentioned. People speaking out against the behaviour. This is an avenue of change.

This whole thread started because an actor made some comments that showed he has examined his own behaviour. Would that actor have spontaneously considered how he behaves without metoo? I doubt it.

I see you've downgraded it now to just sh1tty behaviour.

That's convenient given where our discussion is headed..

Is this downgrade the official line or just yours ?

Or is this all just driven by some anonymous mindless mob mentality on the internet..

Again metoo encompasses a wide range of behaviours.

For instance the guy who tried To push my friends drunk girlfriend into a taxi. Or men who follow a woman down a street making comments after she’s already declined his advances.

There’s been no downgrade. These behaviours have always fallen under metoo.

Well this is the problem for me. If there's no man, there's no crime. It's just some anonymous stranger waffling on the internet. I have no idea nor interest whether they're telling the truth or not because it can never be backed up or corroborated.

Come up with an accused, an accuser and an accusation and you've got yourself something we can talk about.

After the trial of course

If you don’t want to discuss things further then that’s your choice.

But there’s plenty to discuss.

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I'm going to drop out of this conversation again. The point of the metoo campaign is being ignored and the I'm finding a lot of the responses here quite worrying.

Take an hour off and look at how other people are engaging in debate here. You're the only poster who finds it absolutely impossible, and it's because of the reasons I pointed out.

professore

DONTMATTER wrote: »

I'm going to drop out of this conversation again. The point of the metoo campaign is being ignored and the I'm finding a lot of the responses here quite worrying.

This thread is not about the point of the #MeToo campaign. I doubt if anyone posting here doubts that a lot of sexual assault, sleazy stuff etc goes on. More than I thought for sure. We have the #MeToo movement to thank for that. However now it's being used by some to poison normal human interaction. Like Netflix's no hugs and no looking at anyone for more than 4 seconds. This is wrong and counterproductive for interactions between the sexes.

If I was a famous man I would be recording everything and not allowing myself alone time with any woman or man for that matter unless contracts were signed beforehand.

professore wrote: »

Like Netflix's no hugs and no looking at anyone for more than 4 seconds.

What the hell?

AudreyHepburn

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Again you're ignoring the serious one's. These are what are of concern. The thousands of women who have been raped and assaulted. Every woman I've spoken to about this has had a horrible experience in the past. Metoo has highlighted this and it's a good thing. Now we must do something about it.

But it’s not about that, not anymore and that’s the problem.

Your posts are exactly the reason men like Henry Cavill are afraid to come near women.

I think you need to take your own advice and stop ignoring the negative side of MeToo.

professore

py2006 wrote: »

What the hell?

It's actually 5 seconds.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-sexual-harassment-training-rules-me-too-flirting-on-set-a8396431.html%3famp

martingriff

DONTMATTER wrote: »

It's not all about rape, there's many other cases, you need to read more metoo stories, you need to talk to women close to you more often.

Ffirst of all I never mentioned rape there is a lot more then rape a person can go to the police with. I know women with horrible times been out I have helped them out and creeps ate creeps but guess what it's not just women who have these situations.

What would you think would happen if men started a campaign on social media about them. Also as others have asked how are the accusers meant to respond and put up a defence maybe the women is not telling the whole truth 2 sides and all that or she has made it up or exaggerated it. Do you believe them all and just proclaim the man guilty.

I had no problem with the #metoo campaign as I believe it was set up for a very good cause to get the conversation started and to get support but it has gone in a totally different way now and does more harm then good

Galwayguy35

LLMMLL wrote: »

Um the cultural change I mentioned. People speaking out against the behaviour. This is an avenue of change.

This whole thread started because an actor made some comments that showed he has examined his own behaviour. Would that actor have spontaneously considered how he behaves without metoo? I doubt it.

What do you mean he examined his behaviour?

He hadn't done anything wrong in the first place, the point he was making was he almost feels afraid to approach a woman in case he is accused of something.

And reading the hysterical posts of one peep here I don't blame him.

professore wrote: »

It's actually 5 seconds.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/netflix-sexual-harassment-training-rules-me-too-flirting-on-set-a8396431.html%3famp

My god that is shocking. You just know they by 'people' they mean men.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

What do you mean he examined his behaviour?

He hadn't done anything wrong in the first place, the point he was making was he almost feels afraid to approach a woman in case he is accused of something.

And reading the hysterical posts of one peep here I don't blame him.

I didn’t say he’d done anything wrong. But he clearly has examined his attitude to approaching women.

You may think that’s a good or bad thing, but it’s still a change. Many posters here would claim that change can only be brought through legal measures. That’s clearly not true.

Galwayguy35

LLMMLL wrote: »

I didn’t say he’d done anything wrong. But he clearly has examined his attitude to approaching women.

You may think that’s a good or bad thing, but it’s still a change. Many posters here would claim that change can only be brought through legal measures. That’s clearly not true.

He examined his attitude?

Again, there was no attitude to examine.

You really should read the OP and see what HC actually said.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

He examined his attitude?

Again, there was no attitude to examine.

You really should read the OP and see what HC actually said.

I have read his comments. Seems pretty clear he’s going to take a softly softly approach with women now.

The Bishop Basher

LLMMLL wrote: »

I have read his comments. Seems pretty clear he’s going to take a softly softly approach with women now.

He said what he had to say to get people like you off his back.

People are losing their careers over nothing..

I’d do whatever I had to do too..

Rennaws wrote: »

He said what he had to say to get people like you off his back.

People are losing their careers over nothing..

I’d do whatever I had to do too..

I’m talking about the original interview. His career was not at stake.

The Bishop Basher

LLMMLL wrote: »

I’m talking about the original interview. His career was not at stake.

Of course it was. That's what he was saying. He'll be incredibly careful when approaching females in future..

It's coming from a position of fear..

That's not healthy..

That's where the metoo movement has brought us..