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Who exactly is Irish?

  • 16-07-2018 01:29PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29


    I recently had an interesting discussion with some people about this topic, they were of different opinions, I will love to get a larger perspective on this topic.

    Are Irish people strictly only descendants of the Vikings and the Celtic nation?
    People with an Irish accent, who have an Irish passport?
    Anybody with an Irish passport, irrespective of race, religion, gender, accent?
    People born in Ireland?
    Strictly white people?
    People who have lived in Ireland for a very long time (like 20 years, though they weren't born in Ireland)
    Or some other origin not explicitly listed here?

    I am not of any particular school of thought or ideology, but I wish we can come to an agreement on who exactly is Irish, you can't say someone is Irish when it suits your narrative, then decide to switch and say they are Africans, Asians, immigrants, welfare scum etc when it does not suit your narrative

    I have seen this play out many times in the UK, USA, France etc
    The talented youngster who plays for Tottenham and England "Dele Ali", aaah he's British, born and brought up here, he is definitely not Nigerian.

    Michael Olumide Adebolajo and Michael Oluwatobi Adebowale, the Woolwich stabbers in 2013, Hey mate, you see what I am talking about, all these immigrants they are bringing into the country, who don't share the same values with us, Nigerian scums, you see the effect of multiculturalism, you liberals and snowflake will bring our downfall.

    One thing to note from this 2 examples is that they were all born and brought up in the UK, why do the criminal ones have to be linked back to Africa.

    Anthony Joshua the heavyweight world champion is totally British, nobody talks about his Nigerian origin, same with Leroy Sane (man city) nobody talks about his Senegalese origin, he's German- end of story, but the other people who have a similar background but may not be as popular or talented as these individuals are constantly reminded to go back to Africa, or "where are you really from" questions

    Salah, mane scores for Liverpool, yeeeaah he's a beast, GOAT, better than Messi, Ahmed stabs somebody in Abbey road Liverpool, F##k all this Muslims, lol

    Recently Ireland won silver at the IAAF u20 championship, and the team was made up of 3 "black Nigerians" and 1 white Irish girl, though they were all born in Ireland, I saw comments on facebook, youtube, twitter etc which were so brutal, racist and hateful towards to the black girls who represented Ireland, they were called many bad names, including "Paper Irish" (named used to describe non-white people who have an Irish passport)

    What do want from immigrants?
    You complain that they are lazy and are all on welfare, then the ones who are highly educated and working, are taking your jobs?

    You say they don't integrate into the society, then the ones who decide to date white Irish girls or men, are taking all the Irish girls, and some of you constantly stare at interracial couples with disgust (happens in almost all counties EXCEPT Dublin), and you say to yourself "they are definitely with them for the papers or money, giving birth to non-Irish babies".

    What do you really mean by integrate? to play Gaelic football, speak Gaelic, eat Irish soup and potatoes, speak and write English, Obey laws and regulations, change their Religion and denomination to Christianity and Catholic, go the Pub and drink?

    I will conclude this by saying, if you want multiculturism or "immigrants" you have to get the whole baggage, you will get the neurosurgeons, IT professionals and talented sportsmen and women, and you will definitely get the scumbags, who are assholes

    No society is perfect, France won the world cup yesterday with many black players, USA NFL and NBA teams are predominantly black, nobody talks about immigration or crimes committed by black people, everybody is happy when they are winning.

    Scumbags come in every race/ethnicity, country of origin, height, weight, religion.

    Some people constantly look at everything through race, colour, country of origin, why can't we just get along well as human race, life is already too f##ked up for almost everybody.

    Disclaimer, these views are my personal views, does not represent the ideas of any race, organization or religion, and surely does not indicate what ALL Irish people do or think


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Fcuking Vikings.
    Foreign bastards rapin our wimin n plundering


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    I can't read that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Mutant z


    Roy Keane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Leave them Vikings alone, who doesn't love a good plunder every now and then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Leave them alone, who doesn't love a good plunder every now and then?

    Fcukers were around again last night in their longboat.
    I've no peace. Had to hide in my round tower again.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    The op seems to be a strawman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,560 ✭✭✭K.Flyer


    Leave them Vikings alone, who doesn't love a good plunder every now and then?

    Very hard to get a decent Plunder these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    An Irish citizen is Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    Fcukers were around again last night in their longboat.
    I've no peace. Had to hide in my round tower again.

    First world problems mate.


    Oooh, look at me struggling to find a hiding place for all my gold and jewels!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I prefer Irelander. Like people from Iceland are Icelanders. Only one letter different. Or maybe they could be called Iclish.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭5rtytry56


    Well, there would be different perceptions to how Irish.

    Well off Ronan and Soairse will think of themselves as the daoine hoaintach in this context, together with their offspring Nollaig and Roisin:

    Afterall does'nt Nollaig play on the local GAA under 8 football team, while Roisin is the captain of the under 8 comogie!
    Soairse is the secretary of the local GAA club too.
    They have the Irish Times delivered to their door every day, and then on Sunday, the beautiful couple buy the Sunday Times as well as the Sunday Business Post mind you.

    Ronan bought an 700 euro drone, and went to this "Drone conference" where his ticket cost 300 euro, 3 years ago. He has'nt flown the thing since.
    The "Sindo" is only for lower caste.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    First world problems mate.


    Oooh, look at me struggling to find a hiding place for all my gold and jewels!

    Ill have you know my peasants word hard for my plunderables.
    No sitting around on their ar53s in their PJs, in their filthy mud huts, smoking fags and swilling Tenants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭greedygoblin


    Fcukers were around again last night in their longboat.
    I've no peace. Had to hide in my round tower again.

    The Danes. Up to their old tricks again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    There's a Long Ship parked outside Reginalds Tower, in full 'felt spec.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭shakeitoff


    5rtytry56 wrote: »
    Well, there would be different perceptions to how Irish.

    Well off Ronan and Soairse will think of themselves as the daoine hoaintach in this context, together with their offspring Nollaig and Roisin:

    Afterall does'nt Nollaig play on the local GAA under 8 football team, while Roisin is the captain of the under 8 comogie!
    Soairse is the secretary of the local GAA club too.
    They have the Irish Times delivered to their door every day, and then on Sunday, the beautiful couple buy the Sunday Times as well as the Sunday Business Post mind you.

    Ronan bought an 700 euro drone, and went to this "Drone conference" where his ticket cost 300 euro, 3 years ago. He has'nt flown the thing since.
    The "Sindo" is only for lower caste.

    I hate everything about that fictional family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh




    What do you really mean by integrate? to play Gaelic football, speak Gaelic, eat Irish soup and potatoes, speak and write English, Obey laws and regulations, change their Religion and denomination to Christianity and Catholic, go the Pub and drink?

    I will conclude this by saying, if you want multiculturism or "immigrants" you have to get the whole baggage, you will get the neurosurgeons, IT professionals and talented sportsmen and women, and you will definitely get the scumbags, who are assholes


    I suppose that's one of the problems with multiculturalism, isn't it? It often gets confounded with a multi-ethnic or multi-racial society.

    No one has an axe to grind with anyone else on the basis of some trait like skin colour etc., (multiracial), rather tensions mainly come about when there is a lack of integration i.e. where some cultural groups wish to put the values and customs of their country / religion of origin above the values and customs of their host/ new home nation (multiculturalism).

    Maybe it's rightfully so too, since societies of all colours etc. ought to run more smoothly if every person involved enters into a shared set of cultural values and norms regardless of the "whole baggage" that comes with the territory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 logical2019


    aidoh wrote: »
    I suppose that's one of the problems with multiculturalism, isn't it? It often gets confounded with a multi-ethnic or multi-racial society.

    No one has an axe to grind with anyone else on the basis of some trait like skin colour etc., (multiracial), rather tensions mainly come about when there is a lack of integration i.e. where some cultural groups wish to put the values and customs of their country / religion of origin above the values and customs of their host/ new home nation (multiculturalism).

    Maybe it's rightfully so too, since societies of all colours etc. ought to run more smoothly if every person involved enters into a shared set of cultural values and norms regardless of the "whole baggage" that comes with the territory.
    You made perfect sense
    Though when you said "where some cultural groups wish to put the values and customs of their country/religion of origin above the values and customs of their host/ new home nation"

    It depends on the extent or situation, I don't think an Irish immigrant in USA is expected to always put the values of America above his personal values which maybe Irish oriented
    There are basic human values, though this is highly subjected as we are so different in terms of culture and norms, I have been to a place where people eat dogs, cat, and it's perfectly normal, though this will be considered as an abomination

    We have to understand that it is difficult to isolate the "whole baggage" from a culture, we can try, but there will still be traces


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 564 ✭✭✭shakeitoff


    aidoh wrote: »
    I suppose that's one of the problems with multiculturalism, isn't it? It often gets confounded with a multi-ethnic or multi-racial society.

    No one has an axe to grind with anyone else on the basis of some trait like skin colour etc., (multiracial), rather tensions mainly come about when there is a lack of integration i.e. where some cultural groups wish to put the values and customs of their country / religion of origin above the values and customs of their host/ new home nation (multiculturalism).

    Maybe it's rightfully so too, since societies of all colours etc. ought to run more smoothly if every person involved enters into a shared set of cultural values and norms regardless of the "whole baggage" that comes with the territory.

    America was pretty successful when it came to integration especially with it's European immigrants. They all bought into what it meant to be American and largely left behind the ways of their home countries. They obviously kept up some traditions but in general an American of German, Polish, Irish, English or Italian extraction will have bought into the American way. While the poster before dismissed the idea of the GAA or eating potatoes, immigrants in America embraced the idea of baseball and apple pie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    aidoh wrote: »
    No one has an axe to grind with anyone else on the basis of some trait like skin colour etc., (multiracial),
    Hi there, and welcome to after hours. I assume this is your first visit? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Hi there, and welcome to after hours. I assume this is your first visit? :)

    Well, I assume no one (in their right mind) would be dumb enough to be that shallow but the interwebs are definitely full of all sorts


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    What do want from immigrants?

    You complain that they are lazy and are all on welfare, then the ones who are highly educated and working, are taking your jobs?

    You say they don't integrate into the society,

    What do you really mean by integrate?

    I will conclude this by saying, if you want multiculturism or "immigrants"

    Whom are you addressing OP? The posters here?

    Anyway we got useless immigrants, the dregs. Gort full of Brazilians and ne’er a footballer among them. Galway United relegated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭AlphaOmega1


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Anyway we got useless immigrants, the dregs. Gort full of Brazilians and ne’er a footballer among them. Galway United relegated

    big facts, Bray is full of them. Yeah sure you came here to improve your English but is there any chance you could show the bray wanderers a few bits?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭fishy_fishy


    I honestly think youre not culturally Irish if you haven't grown up here, or grown up abroad to Irish raised parent(s) and moved back here before mid teens.

    Legally whatever it says on your passport, that bit's obvious, but its not that clear cut culturally. You might be culturally much closer to England, or the USA, or Nigeria, or Turkey if that's where your parents were born and raised, because they're the cultures that influence how your parents raised you. As you get older, those links might weaken and you become more Irish.

    I try to think of it like relatives in the states. They've lived there decades, kinda still consider themselves Irish. They're American citizens. So really the definition of Irish Americans. Their grandkids are American. Clear and simple. The 2nd generation - i.e. the parents of the grandkids - well, they're American. But had they all moved back here by their early teens...? They'd probably be more Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    If Mossad travel on Irish passports on their assassination trips does that make them Irish? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭jcorr


    You're only Irish if you're born here and lived here all your life and at least one of your parents is also Irish, who also was born here and lived here their whole life...

    Anything else and you're just a foreigner with Irish PR/passport.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭dd972


    jcorr wrote: »
    You're only Irish if you're born here and lived here all your life and at least one of your parents is also Irish, who also was born here and lived here their whole life...

    Anything else and you're just a foreigner with Irish PR/passport.

    By that logic David O'Leary, Phil Lynott and Paul McGrath aren't Irish, this is especially the case when the country just east of Wales and south of Scotland is involved, in fact for some you could be born there, taken back an hour later on the next Aer Lingus by your Irish parents and never leave your village again, and still be 'not Irish'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    jcorr wrote: »
    You're only Irish if you're born here and lived here all your life and at least one of your parents is also Irish, who also was born here and lived here their whole life...

    Anything else and you're just a foreigner with Irish PR/passport.


    By that definition my oldest brother isn't irish. Your definition sucks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,647 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    jcorr wrote: »
    You're only Irish if you're born here and lived here all your life and at least one of your parents is also Irish, who also was born here and lived here their whole life...

    Anything else and you're just a foreigner with Irish PR/passport.
    I lived abroad for a while however BOTH my parents are Irish. Can I balance one trait against the other to keep me being Irish?

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    shakeitoff wrote: »
    America was pretty successful when it came to integration .[\quote]

    If you ignore the genocide against the natives and the slavery, lynchings and long running supremacist laws and attitudes towards Africans and their descendants......


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,423 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    Who exactly is Irish?

    Eh...I am.


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