The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

MidMan25 · 12-07-2018 08:11PM

How have they ended up in this situation, were these new regulations not planned years ago?

Toyotafanboi · 12-07-2018 08:36PM

I think it's more difficult for the likes of VW who allow customers to really customise cars from the factory as the have to come up with real world figures for every possible configuration and spec on every model.

Other brands like say Hyundai/ Kia or Renault/ Dacia don't really get too involved in offering customers factory orders and most of their cars sold are "stock" cars already, so they'll only have to get figures for 3 or 4 trim levels and that's it.

MidMan25 · 12-07-2018 09:37PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I think it's more difficult for the likes of VW who allow customers to really customise cars from the factory as the have to come up with real world figures for every possible configuration and spec on every model.

Other brands like say Hyundai/ Kia or Renault/ Dacia don't really get too involved in offering customers factory orders and most of their cars sold are "stock" cars already, so they'll only have to get figures for 3 or 4 trim levels and that's it.

I can appreciate that but how did they leave it so late, surely these cars could have been tested well in advance of the new regulations coming into force?

vintagevrs · 12-07-2018 10:55PM

Pretty serious cock up that for a company that sell cars not being able to take orders for 6 months.

hooch-85 · 12-07-2018 11:01PM

How can the other manufacturers sell new models then? Ford announced pricing for the new Fiesta ST a few months ago to dealers, and they are available to order in early August or so I believe

mr c · 12-07-2018 11:29PM

Is it to clear the existing stock ,maybe something in the pipe line coming to make current stock unsaleable due to new regulations so minimizing losses
not taking anything away from the cars but maybe a new rule make everything they have made and not sold a liability
anything sold wouldn't fall in to this , it would just mean any stock they have ends up like that lot in U.S that cant be sold
there must be a reason for it and a factory fit out i dont think would be it surely

bazz26 · 13-07-2018 12:07AM

hooch-85 wrote: »

How can the other manufacturers sell new models then? Ford announced pricing for the new Fiesta ST a few months ago to dealers, and they are available to order in early August or so I believe

The likes of Ford would not have near the same amount of factory customisation combinations that the likes of VW would have. VW need to go through each factory option combination and submit it for testing under the new rules. I'd imagine the premium brands who pride themselves on extras would have the same issue.

R.O.R · 13-07-2018 07:53AM

Bmw and Volvo have been sorted for a while but I think it's just the sheer volume from VAG of models that's causing delays.

I'm pretty sure that anything on the ground has to be registered before the end of August if it isn't WLTP compliant. Probably bargains to be had in late August, if there is any stock left.

13-07-2018 08:20AM

OSI wrote: »

...........the factories need significant retooling to accommodate the incoming changes.

I wouldn't imagine so. More likely to be quite a bit to stock about that they need to move on.

I also reckon if the customisation was really an issue they'd just introduce 4 or 5 basic packs and minimise/eliminate options beyond that.

R.O.R · 13-07-2018 11:33AM

From reading news reports the delay seems to be with actually testing the vehicles.

Full WLTP regulations don't come in to effect until 2020 - that's when every single option changes the Co2 emissions, but at the moment it's all different models that need to be effected. NEDC certification could apply to all models in the range, as long as they were on the same tyres, e.g. a Golf Trendline with 16" wheels had the same Co2 as the Comfortline on 16" wheels, but under WLTP the Trendline and Comfortline will need seperate certification in standard trim.

3dr,5dr, Estate will need seperate tests (as they already do), but multiply each bodystyle by each trim level and engine option, multiply that by each country's trim and engine options, and you've thousands of different combinations that need a test.

News reports say they are closing some factories on specific days to limit production, and are looking at places to store built cars, including the unfinished new airport in Berlin.

everlast75 · 13-07-2018 11:44AM

OSI wrote: »

On the original topic of the thread, after some calls this morning it looks about 99% certain that my remaining days as a GTI owner are in the single digits.:eek::(

what are the facts.

What are you getting rid of?
For how much?
What are you getting instead?
Why are you changing?

JoeA3 · 13-07-2018 12:03PM

The Tiguan is a fine bus, my Dad got a new one early this year. Well finished too in highline trim and it's quite a nice yoke to drive, although I find that the steering is overly light / over assisted. The R-Line kit makes them a very handsome looking beast too.

R.O.R · 13-07-2018 12:24PM

JoeA3 wrote: »

The Tiguan is a fine bus, my Dad got a new one early this year. Well finished too in highline trim and it's quite a nice yoke to drive, although I find that the steering is overly light / over assisted. The R-Line kit makes them a very handsome looking beast too.

For the last 6 months or so, the R-Line exterior pack on a Highline Tiguan forces the Progressive Steering option (and driver profile selection), so that should sort the over assisted steering out

Toyotafanboi · 13-07-2018 12:45PM

They are a very handsome car. Colour? DSG?

13-07-2018 01:03PM

OSI wrote: »

...............

The ever exciting Tiguan :cool: It's a highline with the R-Line exterior and all the toys. Should be a much comfier, and crucially more frugal family run about................

4 motion equipped?
Looked at one a while ago, numbers wouldn't work for me.

JoeA3 · 13-07-2018 01:15PM

R.O.R wrote: »

For the last 6 months or so, the R-Line exterior pack on a Highline Tiguan forces the Progressive Steering option (and driver profile selection), so that should sort the over assisted steering out

Oh yeah I remember that being the case with Dad's, but he decided against forking out for the R-Line kit. To be fair, I don't think he'd see the value in it.

JoeA3 · 13-07-2018 02:45PM

Indium grey is the pick of the colours imo.

13-07-2018 03:08PM

OSI wrote: »

...........but frankly the numbers get ridiculous at the end........

Yup, humongous money.

bazz26 · 13-07-2018 03:47PM

I see the power is down on a good few cars too due to the new WLTP testing. The Golf R and Seat Leon Cupra are now listed at 290bhp down from 300bhp.

Ionised · 13-07-2018 05:28PM

What's odd is that the Leon St Cupra 4wd will stay at 300hp so I hear.

Hopefully it will make my Cupra 300 a rarity if all newer ones are 'only' 290!

JoeA3 · 13-07-2018 06:39PM

My reading of it is that the R is going back to 300bhp from 310 (so back to what it was before the facelift). Realistically no one is going to notice the difference between 300 and 310.

What’s more significant for some is that the 3 door is no more, and manual gearbox option is gone too. I suspect that’s the way it’ll be for the MK8 onwards also.

hooch-85 · 13-07-2018 10:01PM

Looking for a few honest opinions, been driving a Fiesta ST since buying new in 2016, it's been great craic but i fancy a change to something a bit bigger and refined, plus i reckon i'll need a 5 door in the not too distant future. I've been mad for a MK7 since they came out (I had a mk5 GTi before and it was a great car) so now is the time to get my arse into one i think.

But i'm not buying new, ideally id like to stay around the 25k bracket. I'd love a GTi but i'm doing roughly 30k a year, it would probably average 35 mpg if I am lucky, so today i faced the music and finally drove a GTD, and I have to say, I was impressed. It felt adequately quick but obviously not very fast, very solid on the road and just a better built machine than the Fiesta obviously enough. it'll be used as a commuter 90% of the time and other times it'll be on long motorway commutes to Mayo and West Clare.

I'm thinking it's the best all rounder in this price bracket. I'm just worried about the future value of diesels and that i'd get bored of it quickly, i'd hope it would be a keeper for at least a few years, but worse case scenario I shouldn't lose a fortune if i want to shift it in two years again.

Opinions? Should I just man up and get a GTi or be sensible and go back to black?

Gavman84 · 13-07-2018 10:52PM

I recently test drove a pp dsg gti and tbh I thought it was nice car but for the price it really didn't blow me away. My own is quicker and even tho more old school I prefer how it drives. I'd say fiesta would be more fun then gti too. I think I'd go for new one over a Gti. R or cupra might be diff story but not sure as not driven either yet!

hooch-85 · 13-07-2018 10:57PM

Gavman84 wrote: »

I recently test drove a pp dsg gti and tbh I thought it was nice car but for the price it really didn't blow me away. My own is quicker and even tho more old school I prefer how it drives. I'd say fiesta would be more fun then gti too. I think I'd go for new one over a Gti. R or cupra might be diff story but not sure as not driven either yet!

A new Fiesta ST specced up as i'd like it is 32k give or take, I just couldn't bring myself to pay that for one, no doubt they are supposed to be a great car. I drove a Golf R DSG recently too and while obviously very fast it felt almost too perfect, i reckon a manual GTi PP would be the sweet spot but honestly I enjoyed how the GTD drove. A map would give you best of both worlds too.

vintagevrs · 14-07-2018 12:40AM

Everyone tends to push their own experience/choice onto others when these questions come up. What I mean is I have seen threads where someone asks for recommendations for a 2 seat convertible, and a poster will recommend a Passat because that's what they have. Anyway, I'm about to do similar....

Would you not look at BMW here? The gtd is the performance golf for diesel, but a 320d has same power. 25k would buy a very nice one with a lot of spec.

GustavoFring · 14-07-2018 02:18AM

May as well do something along the same lines.

FR184 Leon new is the bones of 9k less. The standard spec doesn't match a golf and makes up a nice wad of the difference, the interior is down a notch but still nicer done than a lot of the other mainstream competition (looking at the focus/Astra/Korean muck), it will look the same bar the brakes and back axel as the 1.4 but used prices are really low. Did 1-1.5k a week in one for a year and it was the best all rounder I've had.

hooch-85 · 14-07-2018 06:57AM

GustavoFring wrote: »

May as well do something along the same lines.

FR184 Leon new is the bones of 9k less. The standard spec doesn't match a golf and makes up a nice wad of the difference, the interior is down a notch but still nicer done than a lot of the other mainstream competition (looking at the focus/Astra/Korean muck), it will look the same bar the brakes and back axel as the 1.4 but used prices are really low. Did 1-1.5k a week in one for a year and it was the best all rounder I've had.

I have considered them, and I do like the SEAT's, my mrs just biught a new Ibiza FR in January, but i think I just prefer the Golf to the Leon, finish and spec is that bit better. And i've always wanted the Golf, even when I was buying the ST i said i'd go back to one.

vintagevrs wrote: »

Everyone tends to push their own experience/choice onto others when these questions come up. What I mean is I have seen threads where someone asks for recommendations for a 2 seat convertible, and a poster will recommend a Passat because that's what they have. Anyway, I'm about to do similar....

Would you not look at BMW here? The gtd is the performance golf for diesel, but a 320d has same power. 25k would buy a very nice one with a lot of spec.

Good suggestion indeed and I have looked at them too, they are a fine car especially with the auto box. It would have to be an M Sport for me. A 120d Sport would be nice too, overall I prefer how hatchbacks drive.

14-07-2018 12:40PM

I don't think there's much between ford, Opel, Korean stuff and seat/Skoda. VAG still do a very decent job of keeping VW gti/gtd a decent notch above the rest while still including plenty nasty plastic themselves, imo

I was in VRS Octavia recently, it was as good or as bad as the rest.

DaveyDave · 14-07-2018 01:44PM

Augeo wrote: »

I don't think there's much between ford, Opel, Korean stuff and seat/Skoda. VAG still do a very decent job of keeping VW gti/gtd a decent notch above the rest while still including plenty nasty plastic themselves, imo

I was in VRS Octavia recently, it was as good or as bad as the rest.

I think what you get for the price is very good with VW. While Seat and Skoda are nice cars when you spec them like for like they end up the same price but VW financing has a slight edge so ends up being cheaper if I remember correctly.

testicles · 14-07-2018 05:21PM

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