Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

adox · 10-07-2018 10:48PM

bangkok wrote: »

https://youtu.be/hnEucMxe7aw

Karius must still have concussion

Ha yeah saw that on twitter earlier and presumed it was an old one.

Adamocovic · 10-07-2018 10:49PM

adox wrote: »

I think that’s unfair. It implies then that people who are crisis for his performances at Utd think he is actually a poor player and are being justified by (theoretical) poor performances for France.

I don’t think anyone has said that about Pogba and that is the frustration with him and his time at Utd.

That’s the whole point of the view “I don’t care how he performs for France” or more accurately what I said “I’m not delighted for Pogba..”

If anything it adds to the frustration of his performances at Utd.

I want all the players at Utd to play well for the club. Even if I moan about them or don’t rate them or don’t think they are good enough for the team, whatever, I’d be more satisfied to see them do well and prove my points wrong than somehow feel some sort of vindication for my views on them on an anonymous Internet forum and somehow being proven right.

I don't think it's unfair but then again I posted it.

For me that's how I feel it is with fans opinions with footballers. Sure not so long ago people used the fact Martial wasn't picked by France for the WC during the debate regarding his future with us.

Many people argue that Juventus made Pogba look better than he was, and many argue that he isn't arsed or doesn't give it his all when playing. I fully believe that if he stunk it up at the WC, his performances would be used as further proof for the above. So for people to disregard his good performances with France due to the fact that it's not for us I don't buy.

Also the majority of posts on social media is all about people getting vindication for their view. Likes, thanks, shares, etc. Maybe well just have to agree to disagree but I don't think it's anything new in football. Sure when Rooney scored with Everton you bet pro-Rooney debaters were posting in here.

adox · 10-07-2018 10:51PM

I thought you were talking about this thread and not social media as a whole and was commenting in kind to that.

paulbok · 10-07-2018 10:52PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I don't think it's unfair but then again I posted it.

For me that's how I feel it is with fans opinions with footballers. Sure not so long ago people used the fact Martial wasn't picked by France for the WC during the debate regarding his future with us.

Many people argue that Juventus made Pogba look better than he was, and many argue that he isn't arsed or doesn't give it his all when playing. I fully believe that if he stunk it up at the WC, his performances would be used as further proof for the above. So for people to disregard his good performances with France due to the fact that it's not for us I don't buy.

Also the majority of posts on social media is all about people getting vindication for their view. Likes, thanks, shares, etc. Maybe well just have to agree to disagree but I don't think it's anything new in football. Sure when Rooney scored with Everton you bet pro-Rooney debaters were posting in here.

Hard to take you seriously anymore after that reveal....;)

Adamocovic · 10-07-2018 10:53PM

paulbok wrote: »

Adamocovic wrote: »

I don't think it's unfair but then again I posted it.

For me that's how I feel it is with fans opinions with footballers. Sure not so long ago people used the fact Martial wasn't picked by France for the WC during the debate regarding his future with us.

Many people argue that Juventus made Pogba look better than he was, and many argue that he isn't arsed or doesn't give it his all when playing. I fully believe that if he stunk it up at the WC, his performances would be used as further proof for the above. So for people to disregard his good performances with France due to the fact that it's not for us I don't buy.

Also the majority of posts on social media is all about people getting vindication for their view. Likes, thanks, shares, etc. Maybe well just have to agree to disagree but I don't think it's anything new in football. Sure when Rooney scored with Everton you bet pro-Rooney debaters were posting in here.

Hard to take you seriously anymore after that reveal....;)

It may send me to an early retirement.

Cotts72 · 10-07-2018 11:09PM

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/lazio-star-tops-list-as-man-utd-boss-mourinho-targets-triple-raid-on-serie-a

Cant see this happening but those milinkovic rumours wont go away, dont know where'd hed fit in! Sandro is about the only one that's realistic

bangkok · 10-07-2018 11:35PM

Cotts72 wrote: »

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/lazio-star-tops-list-as-man-utd-boss-mourinho-targets-triple-raid-on-serie-a

Cant see this happening but those milinkovic rumours wont go away, dont know where'd hed fit in! Sandro is about the only one that's realistic

Pogba to real madrid

Mitch Connor · 10-07-2018 11:40PM

Zero optimism for the coming season.

We needed a big summer, to stand up to the challenge City put down and.... Nope. 4 weeks to turn it around but nothing indicating United see the problems let alone are going to go big to address them.

One first team addition to a team that was miles away from the quality levels needed.

Big part of it is mourinho himself. I have no expectation that he will turn United into a side that are exciting to watch. Don't feel anyone at the club really cares about winning the league.

xtal191 · 11-07-2018 12:19AM

bangkok wrote: »

https://youtu.be/hnEucMxe7aw

Karius must still have concussion

And this was the other day....

https://youtu.be/j_VedLMA_JE

Taking a long time to recover from that concussion alright

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 11-07-2018 12:24AM

If i was Jose, I'd be a little pee'd off at how well Pogba played this evening. Disciplined performance. There was no taking on three fellas and losing the ball, no flicks over his head just inside his own half. He marked well at corners. Jose moved heaven and earth last year to accommodate him and he could do it all along.

jayo26 · 11-07-2018 12:31AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

If i was Jose, I'd be a little pee'd off at how well Pogba played this evsning. Disciplined performance. There was no taking on three fellas and losing the ball, no flicks over his head just inside his own half. He marked well at corners. Jose moved heaven and earth last year to accommodate him and he could do it all along.

Do agree but I'd only be angry if he goes back to his recent United form next season.

I never bought any of this stuff about formation and players around him and falling out with the manager as an excuse for his recent form for us There are people that reckon he is a future United captain well if your that the club comes first no matter who the manager is you give it your all on the pitch.

He simply wasn't putting in the effort for us.

sReq | uTeK · 11-07-2018 12:31AM

Pogba was excellent tonight but my god he was up against a shocking dembelle.

As for Martinez, take Chadli off corners after the 20th one couldn’t beat the first man. Martens was good when he came on would take him on the right if he’s up for free. Serious crosses in at the end

jayo26 · 11-07-2018 12:34AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Pogba was excellent tonight but my god he was up against a shocking dembelle.

As for Martinez, take Chadli off corners after the 20th one couldn’t beat the first man. Martens was good when he came on would take him on the right if he’s up for free. Serious crosses in at the end

Pogba dominated dembele tonight but he also won Arial duels against fellaini that takes some doing. He was all over the pitch.

Lord TSC · 11-07-2018 02:04AM

I see talks that Juve are after Marcelo now.

Would surely open the door for Sandro.

11-07-2018 07:11AM

Madrid can **** off

Hands off Pogba

Trigger · 11-07-2018 07:11AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Do agree but I'd only be angry if he goes back to his recent United form next season.

I never bought any of this stuff about formation and players around him and falling out with the manager as an excuse for his recent form for us There are people that reckon he is a future United captain well if your that the club comes first no matter who the manager is you give it your all on the pitch.

He simply wasn't putting in the effort for us.

Jose’s analysis on the match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZoXgBbqEbY

bangkok · 11-07-2018 07:24AM

astradave wrote: »

Jose’s analysis on the match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZoXgBbqEbY

Hes still in russia?!!!

Mitch Connor · 11-07-2018 07:27AM

bangkok wrote: »

Hes still in russia?!!!

Why wouldn't he be? Why does it matter? Would be better if he was in the Maldives?

Trigger · 11-07-2018 07:37AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Why wouldn't he be? Why does it matter? Would be better if he was in the Maldives?

He’s not tbh, he was at carrington yesterday so probably recorded in a studio somewhere

11-07-2018 08:14AM

RT have a big presence in England afaik.

Jose does sound slightly like he is saying that is how he wants Pogba to play all the time but he doesn't. Fred has been signed now to play that role so we'll see how that turns out.

S.M.B. · 11-07-2018 08:24AM

Pogba might find it a lot easier to get motivated and focused for a short world cup run including a semi final clash against Belgium than a handful of PL fixtures against mid-table opposition.

xtal191 · 11-07-2018 08:27AM

astradave wrote: »

Jose’s analysis on the match

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZoXgBbqEbY

Def England in the background

Adamocovic · 11-07-2018 08:29AM

I see online it is saying the team jet off to America on the Sunday. So if England did actually get to the final and win it they're going to miss out on the madness in Manchester.

Odds on Shaw to "lose" his passport? :pac:

DM_7 · 11-07-2018 08:32AM

Maybe France also have a better mix of character than United and it forces Pogba to get in line. That along with the small time frame would create a focus.

Guys like Kante, Varane are strong in attitude, Griezemann and even Giroud are selfless for the cause.

There is also the bitterness of what happened in the Euro's to drive him (and them) on.

Adamocovic · 11-07-2018 08:40AM

DM_7 wrote: »

Maybe France also have a better mix of character than United and it forces Pogba to get in line. That along with the small time frame would create a focus.

Guys like Kante, Varane are strong in attitude, Griezemann and even Giroud are selfless for the cause.

There is also the bitterness of what happened in the Euro's to drive him (and them) on.

I think we could all get guilty of over-analysing it.

Pogba is considered a key figure and one of the leaders of that French team. He's getting a lot of praise and no doubt on cloud 9 helping bring his country to a World Cup final.

But there is so much differences that trying to nail down one seems pointless. Different teams, tactics, players, atmosphere, media, coaches, timeframe, opposition, motivation, the list goes on and on.

Pogba has shown his ability for us but the main criticism is people want to see it consistently for the entire year. All we can do is enjoy his performances for his country now and hope they carry over to when he returns to us.

bangkok · 11-07-2018 08:50AM

DM_7 wrote: »

Maybe France also have a better mix of character than United and it forces Pogba to get in line. That along with the small time frame would create a focus.

Guys like Kante, Varane are strong in attitude, Griezemann and even Giroud are selfless for the cause.

There is also the bitterness of what happened in the Euro's to drive him (and them) on.

Pogba seems to be the main man in the dressing room and the real captain on the field. A bit like lukaku with belgium.

Pogba was shouting and instructing players last night and tore into mbappe when he tried to run the ball down the wing instead of clearing it

Mitch Connor · 11-07-2018 08:59AM

United being linked with a move for 17 year old Erling Braut Haaland - would put that on the 'unlikely' list. If United are genuinely interested then I would guess so are a lot of other clubs and the son of Alf-Inge is probably gonna pick someone else over Manchester United!

Adamocovic · 11-07-2018 09:05AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

United being linked with a move for 17 year old Erling Braut Haaland - would put that on the 'unlikely' list. If United are genuinely interested then I would guess so are a lot of other clubs and the son of Alf-Inge is probably gonna pick someone else over Manchester United!

Didn't he refer to United as scum even before Keane's tackle on him....I'd say it's unlikely too but who knows these days!

jayo26 · 11-07-2018 09:14AM

Glad to see you took your phone back from the wife adamocovic

you Cant have her using your account to post in love island threads

pjohnson · 11-07-2018 09:17AM

jayo26 wrote: »

Glad to see you took your phone back from the wife adamocovic you Cant have her using your account to post in love island threads

Oh so that wasn't a hallucination I had last night

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt3

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