Irish Citizen using a non Irish Passport

Under His Eye · 08-07-2018 02:32PM #1

Is it legal for an Irish Citizen that has citizenship of a 2nd country to use that 2nd passport to enter Ireland.

I am aware the US requires US citizens only to use their US passport to enter the US. Does Ireland have any such rules in place?

Caranica · 08-07-2018 02:41PM

Under His Eye wrote: »

Is it legal for an Irish Citizen that has citizenship of a 2nd country to use that 2nd passport to enter Ireland.

I am aware the US requires US citizens only to use their US passport to enter the US. Does Ireland have any such rules in place?

Friend is dual Australian Irish citizen. Was waiting for new Irish passport to arrive and travelled on Australian one. Got bawled out of it on arrival back to Dublin for attempting to enter Ireland on a passport other than their Irish one. Was told never to do it again

coylemj · 08-07-2018 02:48PM

Caranica wrote: »

Friend is dual Australian Irish citizen. Was waiting for new Irish passport to arrive and travelled on Australian one. Got bawled out of it on arrival back to Dublin for attempting to enter Ireland on a passport other than their Irish one. Was told never to do it again

How the agent know your friend had dual-citizenship? I assume they handed over their Australian passport - was the lack of a tourist visa to enter Ireland the reason why they disclosed they also held an (expired) Irish passport?

Under His Eye · 08-07-2018 02:50PM

It is generally the place of Birth that gives the game away.

Pauliedragon · 08-07-2018 02:54PM

Caranica wrote: »

Friend is dual Australian Irish citizen. Was waiting for new Irish passport to arrive and travelled on Australian one. Got bawled out of it on arrival back to Dublin for attempting to enter Ireland on a passport other than their Irish one. Was told never to do it again

Surely if the passport is valid it doesn't matter. My irish passport expires next month I'm thinking of heading away for a few days in October I was just gonna use my Aussie one. I paid enough for it.

Under His Eye · 08-07-2018 03:01PM

Caranica wrote: »

Friend is dual Australian Irish citizen. Was waiting for new Irish passport to arrive and travelled on Australian one. Got bawled out of it on arrival back to Dublin for attempting to enter Ireland on a passport other than their Irish one. Was told never to do it again

Is there any basis in law for this?

wexie · 08-07-2018 03:05PM

Under His Eye wrote: »

It is generally the place of Birth that gives the game away.

I would imagine a sizable portion of the people that have dual Irish/other citizenship would have a place of birth outside the country no?

My wife does anyways.

Under His Eye · 08-07-2018 03:10PM

I am talking about someone born in Ireland using a non Irish passport.

coylemj · 08-07-2018 03:16PM

Under His Eye wrote: »

I am talking about someone born in Ireland using a non Irish passport.

I can't find anything on www.passport.ie or www.inis.gov.ie website to indicate that there is such a definite rule for people arriving to Ireland who have dual citizenship.

muminpajamas · 08-07-2018 03:25PM

Who is the right person to call about this for a definitive answer? One of my kids is travelling on a foreign passport but has her foreign birth registration certificate from the DFA with her to show she is Irish. We couldn't even get an appointment for her to apply for an Irish passport (booked solid for two months) so can't see how it is her fault. Her foreign passport arrived in 10 days.

glen123 · 08-07-2018 03:51PM

Ideally one would need to get Stamp 6 into their non-EU passport:
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Without_Condition_Endorsement%20%28Stamp%206%29

This allows the person to use their non-EU passport to leave and enter Ireland.

I'd say you'll be fine when you arrive in Ireland. The immigration may give out a bit but I am sure they'll allow you to enter the country.

Not sure if you are arriving into Dublin airport, but here is the telephone number for Immigration at terminal 2 at Dublin Airport 01 666 4968. You can try giving them a call to see what they say.

muminpajamas · 08-07-2018 03:54PM

glen123 wrote: »

Ideally one would need to get Stamp 6 into their non-EU passport:
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Without_Condition_Endorsement%20%28Stamp%206%29

This allows the person to use their non-EU passport to leave and enter Ireland.

I'd say you'll be fine when you arrive in Ireland. The immigration may give out a bit but I am sure they'll allow you to enter the country.

Not sure if you are arriving into Dublin airport, but here is the telephone number for Immigration at terminal 2 at Dublin Airport 01 666 4968. You can try giving them a call to see what they say.

I'll try giving them a call tomorrow morning. Thanks. ðŸ˜Š

EdgeCase · 08-07-2018 03:58PM

Only issue I could see is if you enter on a passport that would need a visa for beyond 90 days and then didn't leave again.

So for example, your Aussie passport would grant you 90 days visa waiver to enter Ireland for tourism or business trip purposes. That passport would be logged with the Irish border control but you'd never show up as leaving again.

As far as they're concerned they were presented with an Australian passport, so they could not be sure what your Irish citizenship status is. Maybe you renounced it.

If they store your place of birth too, they would know you're likely a dual citizen but you may not be.

Entering the Schengen area on a non EU passport and then leaving on an Irish one could also cause issues and probably more serious ones should you subsequently present the Australian passport again and it looks like you've overstayed.

It's probably not illegal but you're definitely creating additional headaches if you're entering for a protracted period.

With EU passport into the EU or Irish into UK / UK into Ireland it isn't really an issue at all but for anywhere else, you should enter and leave on the same document for continuity.

It is definitely illegal to enter the US on a foreign passport if you're a dual US national but I've never heard of anything specific here.

newirishman · 08-07-2018 04:15PM

In general, you must always present yourself to authorities of your country as a citizen of that country. You also can’t commit a crime in your home country and then flee to your other country’s embassy. You can’t enter your home country using your passport from another country. Doing these things might(will?) have serious legal consequences.
The above is as far as I know pretty much true for any country accepting dual citizenship. Can’t find legislation after a quick search but usually it is found as part of the legislation governing dual citizenship.
Note: dual citizenship is not allowed by all countries. There are quite a few that will automatically revoke it if you get citizenship from another country.

fleet · 08-07-2018 04:23PM

EdgeCase wrote: »

So for example, your Aussie passport would grant you 90 days visa waiver to enter Ireland for tourism or business trip purposes. That passport would be logged with the Irish border control but you'd never show up as leaving again.

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With EU passport into the EU or Irish into UK / UK into Ireland it isn't really an issue at all but for anywhere else, you should enter and leave on the same document for continuity.

I don't believe you the Irish authorities record non nationals leaving the country, only entering.

That's one of the reasons for the Orwelian grilling you get on arrival even for "visa on arrival" country's citizens. They want to be sure you'll leave, but they'll never know for sure.

I stand to be corrected on this.

If you've ever had the pleasure of dealing with the boys and girls in Burgh Quay you'll understand this is the least of the Byzantine quirks.

GerardKeating · 08-07-2018 05:14PM

EdgeCase wrote: »

So for example, your Aussie passport would grant you 90 days visa waiver to enter Ireland for tourism or business trip purposes. That passport would be logged with the Irish border control but you'd never show up as leaving again.

But Ireland does not realy do EXIT immigraton checks, so a lot of the time, they would not know when people leave, just enter.

c6ysaphjvqw41k · 09-07-2018 01:49PM

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Under His Eye · 09-07-2018 02:00PM

You have to leave the US on the US passport. That's the law.

If you presented an Irish passport to check in, you would get loads of guff about no entry stamp etc.

Coming back into Ireland, you really should be entering on your Irish passport.

There is no law says you have to that we know of.

Ireland does not record exits.

Bob24 · 09-07-2018 02:11PM

Brayson Noisy Handle wrote: »

But then shouldn't you enter on the same passport you left with i.e. the US one?

No, you can enter with any passport you want.

Why would Ireland systematically share with the US the detail of of the passport you used to cross the Irish border anyway? (or the other way around)

(Also as far as I know neither Ireland nor the US do passport check when you are leaving anyway)

Under His Eye · 09-07-2018 02:32PM

The airlines in the US send CBP details of people leaving. This is then matched to entry data so length of stay can be calculated.

yenom · 09-07-2018 10:16PM

There's no problem with it. I know of people who have travelled home on UK passports with an Irish place of birth.

09-07-2018 10:22PM

Depending in the queue in passport control on Dublin airport depends on what passport I use.
Never had a problem

Under His Eye · 09-07-2018 10:24PM

I am thinking more exotic passports.

antoinolachtnai · 09-07-2018 10:46PM

You should not do it because presenting a non Irish passport is seeking a status that you are not entitled to. It is a false pretense. It is an abuse of the non-Irish passport.

Under His Eye · 10-07-2018 08:33AM

How?

antoinolachtnai · 10-07-2018 07:13PM

Under His Eye wrote: »

How?

You are claiming the support of a foreign government which you are not entitled to and do not have.

It is not likely to be a big issue but it is very bad practice. In principle the official could decide to confiscate the passport, which would be a big pain.

Bob24 · 10-07-2018 07:51PM

antoinolachtnai wrote: »

You are claiming the support of a foreign government which you are not entitled to and do not have.

You are entitled to the support of both countries you are a citizen of. Ireland might or might not want to facilitate diplomatic support by a foreign governement to a dual Irish citizen while in the State, but that citizen is definitely benefiting of diplomatic support from their other country of citizenship.

splinter65 · 10-07-2018 07:55PM

Under His Eye wrote: »

Is it legal for an Irish Citizen that has citizenship of a 2nd country to use that 2nd passport to enter Ireland.

I am aware the US requires US citizens only to use their US passport to enter the US. Does Ireland have any such rules in place?

No.

splinter65 · 10-07-2018 07:56PM

Caranica wrote: »

Friend is dual Australian Irish citizen. Was waiting for new Irish passport to arrive and travelled on Australian one. Got bawled out of it on arrival back to Dublin for attempting to enter Ireland on a passport other than their Irish one. Was told never to do it again

Rubbish.

Caranica · 10-07-2018 08:48PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Rubbish.

100% true! Maybe it was the agent he met but it absolutely happened

splinter65 · 10-07-2018 10:15PM

Caranica wrote: »

100% true! Maybe it was the agent he met but it absolutely happened

No it didn’t.
You arrive in Ireland in possession of a valid in date passport issued by a country whose citizens don’t require a visa to enter Ireland. You show your passport and you enter.

Irish Citizen using a non Irish Passport

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