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Anyone willing to admit that they supported the IRA at any point?

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  • #392
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    skooterblue2 wrote: »
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/retired-ruc-officers-to-be-offered-a-new-role-in-iraq-9bjdnwqmts9

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3659595.stm

    I have it from an ex-RUC officer that they were out there. Now I never asked what they were doing out there nor was it volunteered but "They had need of experienced interviews". I doubt he was writing parking tickets out there.

    One of the first tasks completed after the first Gulf War was the complete disbanding of all police and military in Iraq , so as you could imagine , a vacuum was created necessitating some form of police/military , it's no mystery .Ex security were recruited from all over the world.

    Any tell us more about the passports.


  • #393
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    corner of hells wrote: »
    One of the first tasks completed after the first Gulf War was the complete disbanding of all police and military in Iraq , so as you could imagine , a vacuum was created necessitating some form of police/military , it's no mystery .Ex security were recruited from all over the world.

    Any tell us more about the passports.

    No the RUC officers were used after the second gulf war. The Passports were incase they were captured and Dublin would have more leverage to negotiate than London.


  • #394
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    The IRA never came close to the evils that the British committed this country too. Simply research the topic and you'll understand this.
    Checks what evils the British committed in the Republic of Ireland compared to the evils committed in the Republic of Ireland whilst not at war with the Republic of Ireland...

    It seems the IRA saw RoI as a cash cow that they could rob from and kill anyone who got in their way.


  • #395
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    the_syco wrote: »
    Checks what evils the British committed in the Republic of Ireland compared to the evils committed in the Republic of Ireland whilst not at war with the Republic of Ireland...

    It seems the IRA saw RoI as a cash cow that they could rob from and kill anyone who got in their way.

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  • #396
    Creol1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Creol1


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    Of course there were many very, very sad and regrettable deaths in the north WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE POLITICAL SITUATION HAD BEEN DIFFERENT.

    If the IRA hadn't taken the war to the British, do you really think the situation would have changed? Discrimination had been a reality in the northern state for hundreds of thousands of people for over 50 years before the IRA re-organised in the late 60s. It took another 25+ years for the political situation to evolve to the stage when it became no longer necessary to used armed force.

    Using an example of one sad incident out of the thousands that occurred is a poor reflection of your understanding as to why many Irish people had no other possible alternative to joining or supporting the IRA, if the shameful way they were treated was ever to change.

    The IRA never claimed its campaign was about civil rights; it was supposedly about a "united Ireland".

    The IRA opposed efforts at power-sharing between the communities, such as the Sunningdale Agreement.


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  • #397
    Hamlet.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭Hamlet.


    the_syco wrote: »
    Checks what evils the British committed in the Republic of Ireland compared to the evils committed in the Republic of Ireland whilst not at war with the Republic of Ireland...

    It seems the IRA saw RoI as a cash cow that they could rob from and kill anyone who got in their way.


    ROI? That is a something that was created by the British. Ireland is Ireland. included in Ireland is the current statelet that is the north of Ireland. Please educate people on what the British did up north for all of us please.


  • #398
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭feargale


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Could you imagine a Polish MP claiming the German or Soviet occupation of their nation was a “shared experience”?

    You are confusing a largely natural disaster with one caused entirely by human tyranny. The famine was certainly a shared British-Irish experience in that it severely affected the Scottish Highlands and Islands. It is true that the response of the British government was grossly inadequate and individual British administrators exhibited a shameful attitude and behaved disgracefully. The attitude of the British administration has been compared to our attitude and that of the western world to Third World famine today, one of benign indifference. It is also true that many of those who profited were Irish, (many Catholics if you want to employ that narrow definition of Irish.) And it is true that many heroic deeds were done by English people and other representatives of the administration, such as the Protestant Ulsterman Captain Kennedy in County Clare, also by Quakers and Anglicans who in the latter case were often defamed by RC priests as proselytisers.

    But a complex narrative never suits particular agendas on either side.


  • #399
    feargale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,634 ✭✭✭feargale


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    ROI? That is a something that was created by the British. Ireland is Ireland. included in Ireland is the current statelet that is the north of Ireland. Please educate people on what the British did up north for all of us please.

    What is the definition of a statelet, please?


  • #400
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Creol1 wrote: »
    The IRA never claimed its campaign was about civil rights; it was supposedly about a "united Ireland".

    The IRA opposed efforts at power-sharing between the communities, such as the Sunningdale Agreement.

    all sides had issues with sunningdale. The IRA protected many people in nationalist areas. If you have grown up in such an area, you'd be aware of that


  • #401
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,788 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    feargale wrote: »
    What is the definition of a statelet, please?

    "a small state, especially one that is closely affiliated to or has emerged from the break-up of a larger state"

    Describes the north perfectly


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  • #402
    May Contain Small Parts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭May Contain Small Parts


    Hamlet. wrote: »
    ROI? That is a something that was created by the British. Ireland is Ireland. included in Ireland is the current statelet that is the north of Ireland. Please educate people on what the British did up north for all of us please.

    Both the constitution and the Republic of Ireland Act disagree with you.


  • #403
    May Contain Small Parts
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    maccored wrote: »
    all sides had issues with sunningdale. The IRA protected many people in nationalist areas. If you have grown up in such an area, you'd be aware of that

    People like Maíria Cahill?


  • #404
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    May Contain Small Parts wrote: »
    maccored wrote: »
    all sides had issues with sunningdale.  The IRA protected many people in nationalist areas. If you have grown up in such an area, you'd be aware of that

    People like Maíria Cahill?
    Wouldn't be the first time Gerry Adams tried to cover up rape.


  • #405
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    feargale wrote: »
    You are confusing a largely natural disaster with one caused entirely by human tyranny. The famine was certainly a shared British-Irish experience in that it severely affected the Scottish Highlands and Islands. It is true that the response of the British government was grossly inadequate and individual British administrators exhibited a shameful attitude and behaved disgracefully. The attitude of the British administration has been compared to our attitude and that of the western world to Third World famine today, one of benign indifference. It is also true that many of those who profited were Irish, (many Catholics if you want to employ that narrow definition of Irish.) And it is true that many heroic deeds were done by English people and other representatives of the administration, such as the Protestant Ulsterman Captain Kennedy in County Clare, also by Quakers and Anglicans who in the latter case were often defamed by RC priests as proselytisers.

    But a complex narrative never suits particular agendas on either side.

    Benign indifference? :D It's actually crazy how some people can still excuse what happened. It was nearly two centuries ago, what's the point in denying it now? There was enough food in Ireland to avoid a famine of any sort. The quality crops were all exported and only low quality foods were available. It was a purposeful act to kill as many native Irish as possible.


  • #406
    DONTMATTER
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    Taytoland wrote: »
    Wouldn't be the first time Gerry Adams tried to cover up rape.

    It's amazing how anti rape the pro Brit murder side are considering they go silent on the Kincora boys home peadophilia ring.


  • #407
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    Creol1 wrote: »
    The IRA never claimed its campaign was about civil rights; it was supposedly about a "united Ireland".

    The IRA opposed efforts at power-sharing between the communities, such as the Sunningdale Agreement.

    A united Ireland was the aim because it would guarantee civil rights. The IRA were fighting for unity and civil rights. Many IRA members were involved in NICRA in the early days too.

    Power sharing agreements such as Sunningdale were totally unrealistic at this time, as they would only have upheld the status quo, while at the same time giving the impression to the world that the UK government and the Unionist politicians were actually interested in civil rights for Catholics.


  • #408
    [Deleted User]
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    it never ceases to amaze me just how efficient the SFOS are at locating and responding to these threads.


  • #409
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    Aegir wrote: »
    it never ceases to amaze me just how efficient the SFOS are at locating and responding to these threads.

    School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences, University of Alaska?

    I don't see the relevance :confused:


  • #410
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aegir wrote: »
    it never ceases to amaze me just how efficient the SFOS are at locating and responding to these threads.

    Default response to a differing opinion?


  • #411
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Aegir wrote: »
    it never ceases to amaze me just how efficient the SFOS are at locating and responding to these threads.

    I don't know what that is but what amazes me is the amount of British army terrorist supporters that we have in Ireland. I don't think they're all northern unionists either.


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  • #412
    Benildus
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    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    I don't know what that is but what amazes me is the amount of British army terrorist supporters that we have in Ireland. I don't think they're all northern unionists either.

    Fascinating, please tell me more


  • #413
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,150 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    A united Ireland was the aim because it would guarantee civil rights. The IRA were fighting for unity and civil rights. Many IRA members were involved in NICRA in the early days too.

    Power sharing agreements such as Sunningdale were totally unrealistic at this time, as they would only have upheld the status quo, while at the same time giving the impression to the world that the UK government and the Unionist politicians were actually interested in civil rights for Catholics.

    Indeed, it was Unionist reaction to Sunningdale with the aid of the BA that kept the numbers up in the IRA and kept the conflict/war going. Quite simply they were not ready to power share and dismantle the bigoted sectarian Unionist statlet.

    And contrary to an oft quoted bitter remark of Seamus Mallon, the GFA was not 'Sunningdale for slow learners'. The GFA was significantly different and it also had everyone who wanted to be at the table, actually around it.


  • #414
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    I don't know what that is but what amazes me is the amount of British army terrorist supporters that we have in Ireland. I don't think they're all northern unionists either.

    Should ya'll not be out waving your " no to foreign sports flag" at Harry and Meghan on their visit ?


  • #415
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Benildus wrote: »
    Fascinating, please tell me more

    What about? British army terrorism? Read a history book or even just read up on recent Irish history.


  • #416
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Should ya'll not be out waving your " no to foreign sports flag" at Harry and Meghan on their visit ?

    Opposing the British army murder machine is not opposing everything British. Are you going to bring a 'kill more Irish people' flag to the visit?


  • #417
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Opposing the British army murder machine is not opposing everything British. Are you going to bring a 'kill more Irish people' flag to the visit?

    Surely you couldn't get someone more worthy of your ire , a Royal and a former British army officer with completed active service .


  • #418
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Surely you couldn't get someone more worthy of your ire , a Royal and a former British army officer with completed active service .

    I'm sure there's British army officers here all the time.
    Do you not have any ire for all the murders committed by the British security forces here? All the innocents killed? The children slaughtered?


  • #419
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    I'm sure there's British army officers here all the time.
    Do you not have any ire for all the murders committed by the British security forces here? All the innocents killed? The children slaughtered?

    Oh absolutely , in fact I've a friend who's an officer in the British army.

    Back to Harry , himself and Meghan are to visit the famine memorial on the quays , ironic if you think about it considering , well ya know the cause of the famine.


  • #420
    DONTMATTER
    Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Oh absolutely , in fact I've a friend who's an officer in the British army.

    Back to Harry , himself and Meghan are to visit the famine memorial on the quays , ironic if you think about it considering , well ya know the cause of the famine.

    So what?

    You didn't answer my questions. Does that mean you support the murders committed by the British security forces in Ireland?


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  • #421
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    Creol1 wrote: »
    The IRA never claimed its campaign was about civil rights; it was supposedly about a "united Ireland".

    The IRA opposed efforts at power-sharing between the communities, such as the Sunningdale Agreement.

    A united Ireland was the aim because it would guarantee civil rights.  The IRA were fighting for unity and civil rights.  Many IRA members were involved in NICRA in the early days too.

    Power sharing agreements such as Sunningdale were totally unrealistic at this time, as they would only have upheld the status quo, while at the same time giving the impression to the world that the UK government and the Unionist politicians were actually interested in civil rights for Catholics.
    It wouldn't guarantee anything except Unionist resistance to Rome rule.


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