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    #2522
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    arctictree wrote: »
    Going to spray the ewes this evening. I notice a good few with big cuts on them where they are scratching and surrounded by flies. Same with some of the weaned ewes with sores on their udders. Weather can't help either.

    Weaned the rest of the lambs yesterday. Born in april. Probably still need ewes but grass is kind of gone so its as well off for the lambs rsther than ewes


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    #2523
    early_riser
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭early_riser


    Have a 2 year old polled dorset ram here not a breed i know much about and wasnt a planned purchase, bought as ram lamb to get me out of a hobble after a mature ch ram got hurt out with the ewes. Had him with 8 early ewes and they were very hardy and well covered were outside during all the snow and had impressive kill outs def matched charollais. Had main bunch of sheep in yesterday to weigh lambs and this lads lambs are probably thriving the best in this heat they are mud fat off grass. Anyone use them before and how did you find them and what are the ewe lambs like as replacements?
    Has mostly being charollais used here the last number of years but only 1 being kept here next year to use on the ewe lambs cause there was too many loses after them in the poor spring weather. One vendeen bought already and have 2 nice texel hoogets i bought last year as ram lambs will keep one and sell other. Would def consider another dorest aswell as seem a good all round sheep


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    #2524
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    early_riser wrote: »
    Have a 2 year old polled dorset ram here not a breed i know much about and wasnt a planned purchase, bought as ram lamb to get me out of a hobble after a mature ch ram got hurt out with the ewes. Had him with 8 early ewes and they were very hardy and well covered were outside during all the snow and had impressive kill outs def matched charollais. Had main bunch of sheep in yesterday to weigh lambs and this lads lambs are probably thriving the best in this heat they are mud fat off grass. Anyone use them before and how did you find them and what are the ewe lambs like as replacements?
    Has mostly being charollais used here the last number of years but only 1 being kept here next year to use on the ewe lambs cause there was too many loses after them in the poor spring weather. One vendeen bought already and have 2 nice texel hoogets i bought last year as ram lambs will keep one and sell other. Would def consider another dorest aswell as seem a good all round sheep
    I had a Polled Dorset here for a few years. Good lambs thrown by him but I felt he was lacking in the hind quarters. Hardy lambs though, as you said, and easily finished. Very good out of season breeders too.


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    #2525
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    I had a Polled Dorset here for a few years. Good lambs thrown by him but I felt he was lacking in the hind quarters. Hardy lambs though, as you said, and easily finished. Very good out of season breeders too.

    Is there a big difference in the polled and horned other than the obvious.


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    #2526
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Is there a big difference in the polled and horned other than the obvious.
    None as far as I know, just different strains of the breed.


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    #2527
    stantheman1979
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭stantheman1979


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    DJ98 wrote: »
    Is there a big difference in the polled and horned other than the obvious.
    None as far as I know, just different strains of the breed.
    I tried them both. The polled Dorset are lovely sheep. Good long thick lambs. They thrive very well. The horned Dorset’s are a poorer sheep imo. They don’t grow as well I haven’t kept many as replacements only a few Jacob X so can’t judge them both.


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    #2528
    Nick100
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Nick100


    Cran wrote: »
    Needs department to go electronic for that to happen, and official stance is no plans for that.

    I was talking to the girl from Cormac Tags at Sheep18 and she was selling wands and small printer and said that if a farmer has these that he/she can scan the bunch of lamns with the wand and then print the taglist with the wireless printer and just clip the printout to the dispatch docket at the mart.


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    #2529
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Nick100 wrote: »
    I was talking to the girl from Cormac Tags at Sheep18 and she was selling wands and small printer and said that if a farmer has these that he/she can scan the bunch of lamns with the wand and then print the taglist with the wireless printer and just clip the printout to the dispatch docket at the mart.

    Did the dept, the marts and factories say they'll accept them like that?


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    #2530
    Nick100
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Nick100


    ganmo wrote: »
    Did the dept, the marts and factories say they'll accept them like that?

    I didn't ask them ganmo. I'll ring a mart now for the craic.


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    #2531
    Nick100
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭Nick100


    ganmo wrote: »
    Did the dept, the marts and factories say they'll accept them like that?

    Your right ganmo,
    Rang Mart, they won't accept a printout now but expect that when EID is made mandatory they will. They themselves will be then using wands to read your batch of sheep and creating their intake dockets.


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    #2532
    Cran
    Registered Users Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Cran


    Nick100 wrote: »
    I was talking to the girl from Cormac Tags at Sheep18 and she was selling wands and small printer and said that if a farmer has these that he/she can scan the bunch of lamns with the wand and then print the taglist with the wireless printer and just clip the printout to the dispatch docket at the mart.

    When eid comes in you wouldn’t need to fill in the numbers of the lambs in your dispatch docket. The factories and marts will scan you lambs and provide a printed list back to you.


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    #2533
    arctictree
    Registered Users Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Cran wrote: »
    When eid comes in you wouldn’t need to fill in the numbers of the lambs in your dispatch docket. The factories and marts will scan you lambs and provide a printed list back to you.

    Theoretically, should you even need a dispatch docket? Could the IT systems not handle all this automatically?


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    #2534
    Cran
    Registered Users Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Cran


    arctictree wrote: »
    Theoretically, should you even need a dispatch docket? Could the IT systems not handle all this automatically?

    Asked that and answer is no plan to update dept system, we re the only ones that eid will cost anything.


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    #2535
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Cran wrote: »
    Asked that and answer is no plan to update dept system, we re the only ones that eid will cost anything.

    lucky us


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    #2536
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Nick100 wrote: »
    I was talking to the girl from Cormac Tags at Sheep18 and she was selling wands and small printer and said that if a farmer has these that he/she can scan the bunch of lamns with the wand and then print the taglist with the wireless printer and just clip the printout to the dispatch docket at the mart.

    Any idea on how much


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    #2537
    Western Pomise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭Western Pomise


    Cran wrote: »
    When eid comes in you wouldn’t need to fill in the numbers of the lambs in your dispatch docket. The factories and marts will scan you lambs and provide a printed list back to you.

    So will a Mart worker stand in pen of 20 lambs and wave the wand around to read them?.....what happens if a few lambs have heads down?....and don’t get read?


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    #2538
    Cran
    Registered Users Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭Cran


    Western Pomise wrote: »
    So will a Mart worker stand in pen of 20 lambs and wave the wand around to read them?.....what happens if a few lambs have heads down?....and don’t get read?

    Yes that’s what I was told by ministers office, they will scan and provide print outs


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    #2539
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,064 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Western Pomise wrote: »
    So will a Mart worker stand in pen of 20 lambs and wave the wand around to read them?.....what happens if a few lambs have heads down?....and don’t get read?

    we use a reader here, if there's twenty in a pen you just keep moving the reader until you get twenty numbers.
    It has to be nearly touching the ears


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    #2540
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    What's the latest anybody has lambed sheep? If u didn't lamb till may/June the ewes would need very little feeding all winter and there would be good grass for them coming till lambing again saving feeding... The lambs would be weaned for the grass after the silage and run them all winter till the following janruary when there's big money for them??? Years like this make u think about it... Pros and cons??


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    #2541
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


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    #2542
    MeTheMan
    Registered Users Posts: 527 ✭✭✭MeTheMan


    Lambman wrote: »
    What's the latest anybody has lambed sheep? If u didn't lamb till may/June the ewes would need very little feeding all winter and there would be good grass for them coming till lambing again saving feeding... The lambs would be weaned for the grass after the silage and run them all winter till the following janruary when there's big money for them??? Years like this make u think about it... Pros and cons??

    I was only thinking about this a few weeks ago.
    Our main problem to that would be winter feeding. We wouldn't have the grass to keep the ewes in good condition for mating (January/february) and finish lambs. I'd imagine weight gain would be significantly reduced in winter, using a lot of energy to keep warm. So feeling would be needed.
    Then there's the risk of a bad winter. We wouldn't have housing for both ewes and lambs. If you leave lambs out you will have a major problem with dirty lambs and I'm sure there would be some sent back.
    I was wondering would they be considered hoggots in the factory? Not much of a difference in price around that time, just wondering.


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    #2543
    Green farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    Anyone sending their wool up to ulster, the wool board seems to be paying that bit better ?


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    #2544
    sheepfarmer92
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭sheepfarmer92


    Green farmer wrote: »
    Anyone sending their wool up to ulster, the wool board seems to be paying that bit better ?

    Wonder would it be worth looking into, iv this years and last years to sell


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    #2545
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    I read into it all your wool is graded by master graders into 100 different grades then baled and sent till England till for auction... on average there paying 60p per kg.... would cost a lot till haul wool as its bulky so would it really be worth it... and sheepfarmer last year's wool would grade bad as they want fresh oily wool so till me the local merchant lifting it off the street is still best option.


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    #2546
    sheepfarmer92
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭sheepfarmer92


    Lambman wrote: »
    I read into it all your wool is graded by master graders into 100 different grades then baled and sent till England till for auction... on average there paying 60p per kg.... would cost a lot till haul wool as its bulky so would it really be worth it... and sheepfarmer last year's wool would grade bad as they want fresh oily wool so till me the local merchant lifting it off the street is still best option.
    That what i was thinking alright


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    #2547
    AntrimGlens
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭AntrimGlens


    Green farmer wrote: »
    Anyone sending their wool up to ulster, the wool board seems to be paying that bit better ?

    Does the wool board even accept wool from non NI farmers? I don't even sell my wool to the ulster wool board as they have a ridiculous system of paying you only half of the payment in the first year and then the remainder a year later. I understand their reasoning for doing so, but with the low value of the wool you would never even notice the payment coming in the second year. Better to sell to some of the southern buyers and get paid on the day. I got 55p/kg from Texacloth for mule wool from them in June and the Board were saying they would pay about 50p/kg for the same wool.
    To try and entice more people to sell their wool to the board, this year they have started to pay "new entrants" full payment for the first two seasons and then revert to paying it over two years after this time.


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    #2548
    Green farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    AntrimGlens wrote: »
    Does the wool board even accept wool from non NI farmers? I got 55p/kg from Texacloth for mule wool from them in June and the Board were saying they would pay about 50p/kg for the same wool.

    .

    They were on the farming indo, saying they’ve loads of demand from Chinese carpet buyers and are looking for extra supplies from down south. I’m too far away, but their offering an alternative to the traditional wool merchant, which is creating competition. Wool Prices appear to be at least 10c a kg higher in the north and England then down south.


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    #2549
    sheepfarmer92
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭sheepfarmer92


    Feck it, what it would cost to transport it up there the good would be gone out of it


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    #2550
    kk.man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,436 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I am running out of slaughter tags for the lambs, should I order EID tags giving the proposed change?

    Is it proposed or is the change set in stone?


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    #2551
    jfh
    Registered Users Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭jfh


    Anyone know where I can buy sponges for sheep online, my vet doesn't sell them


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