God created Elon Musk to be a supervillain but forgot to flip the last switch.

soups05 · 08-07-2018 09:15PM

the nay sayers can give about about musk all they like but he is the one who gave us mankinds greatest gift.

the flamethrower

I am waiting for all the youtube vids of idiots with their flamethrowers burning down their houses/cars etc.

love musk for that single reason, he is helping the whole race by lining up darwin award candidates.

( am still annoyed i could not persuade the wife to let me get one

)

Sal Butamol · 08-07-2018 09:31PM

His track record with women is ... interesting

_Dara_ · 08-07-2018 09:46PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Netflix was founded in 1997 and started streaming in 2007.

I know that. It was mostly movie rentals at the beginning but had taken off before House of Cards.

Sal Butamol wrote: »

His track record with women is ... interesting

Seems like a dick to them alright though I’m fairly uninterested in his private life.

prinzeugen · 08-07-2018 10:21PM

His truck is a bit of a con. He has never said how much the thing weighs or how much space the batteries take up.

And its alleged performance is a bit dubious also.

Companies that have said they are buying them are going to get a shock when they discover they need 2-3 musk trucks to shift the same load as one diesel truck.

As for the hyper-loop... He might want to read a history book. The Victorians tried similar technology (right here in Dublin) and it didn't work. Its impossible to create a full vacuum on earth and even a partial vacuum is a nightmare to maintain.

It also been alleged that he "creates" technology or schemes that attract government grants. This grant money then goes to prop up his other failing businesses.

His latest "scheme" is to cover a large part of Southern England in solar panels and batteries to generate power.

He reminds me of the monorail guy from the Simpsons.

FriendsEV · 09-07-2018 02:32AM

Nixonbot wrote: »

SpaceX is fantastic. Really shook up the space market, and showed just how expensive the likes of NASA are. Tesla, eh. I can't warm to the guy when he claims Tesla will show the likes of Toyota how to do lean manufacturing. Toyota, the pioneers of the concept. Toyota, who make 17 vehicles a minute. Sort out your own production and quality control problems before you go after the big boy Elon.

Do Toyotas make 17 EV's a minute?

They don't even make 1 a year

Kinda sick of hearing complaints about Teslas production issues

Crap like Ford make more cars in a day than Tesla make in 3 months etc

Ford make yokes that burns dinosaurs

Let's see Ford make 250k EV's a year

Something no other auto giant is doing

somefeen · 09-07-2018 02:59AM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

Netflix was founded in 1997 and started streaming in 2007.

Jesus. They've been streaming since Roche's stores disappeared

Calhoun · 09-07-2018 03:36AM

You see i just don't know, cant help think its either him or Bezo's who will be the super villain and the other being batman. However i am also fearful they are both super villains.

If Elon is a super villain i think i know what hes going to do, its to do with his planned mission to mars. Essentially he will steal our ozone and move it to mars and crown himself king of this new world.

cournioni · 09-07-2018 06:42AM

FriendsEV wrote: »

Do Toyotas make 17 EV's a minute?

They don't even make 1 a year

Kinda sick of hearing complaints about Teslas production issues

Crap like Ford make more cars in a day than Tesla make in 3 months etc

Ford make yokes that burns dinosaurs

Let's see Ford make 250k EV's a year

Something no other auto giant is doing

Who cares? EV’s are a con. All you’re doing is having less mileage and having to wait longer to have it charge. “Zero emissions”.

Twenty Grand · 09-07-2018 07:59AM

cournioni wrote: »

Who cares? EV’s are a con. All you’re doing is having less mileage and having to wait longer to have it charge. “Zero emissions”.

Conveniently ignored all of the questions myself and others posed earlier in the thread and clings to some outdated and untrue notions that burning dinosaurs is the way forward :rolleyes:

zapitastas · 09-07-2018 08:10AM

prinzeugen wrote: »

His truck is a bit of a con. He has never said how much the thing weighs or how much space the batteries take up.

And its alleged performance is a bit dubious also.

Companies that have said they are buying them are going to get a shock when they discover they need 2-3 musk trucks to shift the same load as one diesel truck.

As for the hyper-loop... He might want to read a history book. The Victorians tried similar technology (right here in Dublin) and it didn't work. Its impossible to create a full vacuum on earth and even a partial vacuum is a nightmare to maintain.

It also been alleged that he "creates" technology or schemes that attract government grants. This grant money then goes to prop up his other failing businesses.

His latest "scheme" is to cover a large part of Southern England in solar panels and batteries to generate power.

He reminds me of the monorail guy from the Simpsons.

The monorail guy reminds me of his idea to cover the globe in superfast broadband a number of years ago. I think everyone promises that at some point though

cournioni · 09-07-2018 08:38AM

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Conveniently ignored all of the questions myself and others posed earlier in the thread and clings to some outdated and untrue notions that burning dinosaurs is the way forward :rolleyes:

What questions have I ignored? You and others on the EV side seem more intent on putting untruths in peoples mouths than actually listening to any criticisms of your beloved EVs.

I don't blame you, I don't believe its your fault. Perhaps you've bought into the shrewd marketing from Musk and the likes and are living in denial as you've invested more than you should in a vehicle that is inferior to the petrol and diesel hybrid powered vehicles (see? It works both ways).

cournioni · 09-07-2018 08:50AM

sexmag wrote: »

Are you really arguing that we shouldn't use renewable energy because it might look unsightly for landscapes?

There will be no landscapes left if we don't

They are not just unsightly, they put wildlife at risk also. Now obviously, non-renewables do the same, but what you're advocating is essentially doubling up. Consumption is the issue, not how you consume it. People buying into the EV trend don't seem to have any awareness of its potential negative impact on the environment, all they seem to be doing is buying into the what someone like Musk (who has his own interests in mind) is saying.

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 09:26AM

FriendsEV wrote: »

Do Toyotas make 17 EV's a minute?

They don't even make 1 a year

Kinda sick of hearing complaints about Teslas production issues

Crap like Ford make more cars in a day than Tesla make in 3 months etc

Ford make yokes that burns dinosaurs

Let's see Ford make 250k EV's a year

Something no other auto giant is doing

Nissan have made over 300,000 Leafs so far. When the big boys decide that this is actually the "future" they'll be able to ramp up production to match. They've been doing this for over a century and are adopting a wait and see attitude. The success of the mundane everyday little Leaf is much more likely to sway them than a niche manufacturer like Tesla. Though for such a niche manufacturer I have to admire Tesla and Musk for their global promotional footprint.

As for Teslas production issues, they have many and there is an awful lot of showboating, BS and unrealistic deadlines. Never mind the near unimaginable haemorrhaging of cash. But the faithful keep giving them a pass. They buy into the BS lock stock and barrel. Early adopters of any new tech tend towards the fervent, but the EV faithful are like born again Christians of the road.

topper75 · 09-07-2018 10:00AM

I'm an Irish average Joe.

Can any supporter of Elon explain to me how any of his work is currently affecting my life directly?

I read a LOT about the guy on the internet, but other than than he seems irrelevant. It seems like futurists and sci-fi fans have a thing for him, but beyond that...

cournioni · 09-07-2018 10:07AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Nissan have made over 300,000 Leafs so far. When the big boys decide that this is actually the "future" they'll be able to ramp up production to match. They've been doing this for over a century and are adopting a wait and see attitude. The success of the mundane everyday little Leaf is much more likely to sway them than a niche manufacturer like Tesla. Though for such a niche manufacturer I have to admire Tesla and Musk for their global promotional footprint.

As for Teslas production issues, they have many and there is an awful lot of showboating, BS and unrealistic deadlines. Never mind the near unimaginable haemorrhaging of cash. But the faithful keep giving them a pass. They buy into the BS lock stock and barrel. Early adopters of any new tech tend towards the fervent, but the EV faithful are like born again Christians of the road.

Absolutely spot on. Probably the hipster mentality. I have no doubt that some have good intentions, but unfortunately do not fully think things through. Statements like this sum it up for me:

Twenty Grand wrote: »

And we have insane fuel taxes.
And what happened when petrol prices go up?

So shortsighted its frightening. As if electric vehicles will be electricity and tax free if they ever become mainstream.

Bubbaclaus · 09-07-2018 10:21AM

zapitastas wrote: »

The monorail guy reminds me of his idea to cover the globe in superfast broadband a number of years ago. I think everyone promises that at some point though

The FCC finally approved that a few months back and spacex currently have 2 test satellites in space for the global broadband system. They will probably start launching the satelittes for the actual system next year.

CerebralCortex · 09-07-2018 10:23AM

sexmag wrote: »

I would have said:

' Elon musk, the real tony stark of our generation"

But this fits better

Tony Stark is a fictional character tho.

wexie · 09-07-2018 10:29AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Early adopters of any new tech tend towards the fervent, but the EV faithful are like born again Christians of the road.

Whenever threads like this or others discussing EV's come along I always find myself wondering if EV evangelists are the new vegans

The One Doctor · 09-07-2018 10:49AM

cournioni wrote: »

Electric vehicles are a con. Unless you’re in Norway or Sweden, you are essentially using harmful energy sources to power the car anyway. Along with using loads of batteries that aren’t exactly friendly to the environment either.

We’ll need a few more waste incinerators around to meet further demand for these hairdryers.

I had a sudden flash of inspiration - you also think that diesel engines are clean and non-polluting, right?

Skylinehead · 09-07-2018 11:14AM

FriendsEV wrote: »

Do Toyotas make 17 EV's a minute?

They don't even make 1 a year

Kinda sick of hearing complaints about Teslas production issues

Crap like Ford make more cars in a day than Tesla make in 3 months etc

Ford make yokes that burns dinosaurs

Let's see Ford make 250k EV's a year

Something no other auto giant is doing

Jaysis thats some spiel. Toyota are clearly going down the hybrid (and possibly hydrogen fuel cells) road, and they're clearly doing alright for it. As Wibbs says, just switch to Nissan, there's your EVs and back to Telsa having production issues, which is undeniable.

Wibbs wrote: »

but the EV faithful are like born again Christians of the road.

RayCun · 09-07-2018 11:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

What other billionaires are taking the PR risk of building escape capsules for trapped Thai kids? Oh yeah, he's only doing it for spin. What an asshole he is.

He's talking about building a design that wouldn't work for the conditions, and wouldn't be ready in time.

But his fanboys swoon...

kyote00 · 09-07-2018 11:41AM

I'd buy one of these 'vegan' zappers ......

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/2/17420982/elon-musk-boring-company-not-a-flamethrower-california-bill-ab-1949

wexie wrote: »

Whenever threads like this or others discussing EV's come along I always find myself wondering if EV evangelists are the new vegans

theyoungchap · 09-07-2018 11:45AM

RayCun wrote: »

He's talking about building a design that wouldn't work for the conditions, and wouldn't be ready in time.

But his fanboys swoon...

It is easy to sit in an office thousands of miles away and come up with a plan......not fully knowing the constraints, the conditions, etc that the worlds best trained cave divers and navy seals are seeing on the ground.

FriendsEV · 09-07-2018 11:54AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Nissan have made over 300,000 Leafs so far. When the big boys decide that this is actually the "future" they'll be able to ramp up production to match. They've been doing this for over a century and are adopting a wait and see attitude. The success of the mundane everyday little Leaf is much more likely to sway them than a niche manufacturer like Tesla. Though for such a niche manufacturer I have to admire Tesla and Musk for their global promotional footprint.

As for Teslas production issues, they have many and there is an awful lot of showboating, BS and unrealistic deadlines. Never mind the near unimaginable haemorrhaging of cash. But the faithful keep giving them a pass. They buy into the BS lock stock and barrel. Early adopters of any new tech tend towards the fervent, but the EV faithful are like born again Christians of the road.

Leaf is out like 8 or 9 years now

300k is nothing impressive

Tesla should do that with one model next year

Haemorrhaging cash and investment are
two different things

Tesla are investing now, largest battery factory in the world, largest charging network etc

Nissan have sold/are selling off battery production facilities and VW, Koreans etc have no battery production

Prefer to pay top dollar to LG, Samsung etc for cells

Skylinehead · 09-07-2018 12:07PM

FriendsEV wrote: »

Leaf is out like 8 or 9 years now

300k is nothing impressive

Tesla should do that with one model next year

They've sold 300,000 cars total. That fantasy is not happening.

cournioni · 09-07-2018 12:28PM

The One Doctor wrote: »

I had a sudden flash of inspiration - you also think that diesel engines are clean and non-polluting, right?

Are you having a Cathy Newman vs Jordan Peterson moment by any chance?

I did not say that at all. I did say that Electric Vehicles were a fad though.

FriendsEV · 09-07-2018 01:05PM

Nixonbot wrote: »

They've sold 300,000 cars total. That fantasy is not happening.

They are making 5000 model 3 a week now

Its happening

Wibbs · 09-07-2018 01:10PM

FriendsEV wrote: »

Leaf is out like 8 or 9 years now

300k is nothing impressive

Tesla should do that with one model next year

Man, that's some fan delusion Musk reality distortion field going on there. Similar was to be seen with fans of Steve Jobs. With one major and obvious difference: Jobs turned a failing Apple around and made it one of the largest and most profitable companies in the world.

And if according to you, it's "nothing impressive", how come Tesla, for all Musk's empty and year on year promises, has failed to come within an asses roar of that kind of output. As for next year, I'll lay a sure bet now, Tesla won't.

Haemorrhaging cash and investment are
two different things

No, really? You don't say... I hate to break it to you, but the vast bulk of those losses are production and operating losses. BTW the gigafactory is a separate enterprise, though there's a story in that too and it's been massively subsidised by the US taxpayer. They're not close to even breaking even on car production, never mind turning a profit. Even with subsidies, cash backs and the cars themselves being at the higher end of expense. At the moment I can't think of a single company out there that is pissing cash away with the speed and volume of Tesla. It's simply not sustainable and when the Emperor's new clothes effect wears off it'll go belly up, or more likely be sold to one of the big boy car makers.

FriendsEV wrote: »

They are making 5000 model 3 a week now

Its happening

No. That was one week. And they had a wee celebration to mark it as it was unusual.

Bubbaclaus · 09-07-2018 01:11PM

cournioni wrote: »

Are you having a Cathy Newman vs Jordan Peterson moment by any chance?

I did not say that at all. I did say that Electric Vehicles were a fad though.

If its a fad then why are a bunch of countries going banning petrol/diesel engines? France and UK to name 2 nearby ones.

You seem to have a complete unawareness of what is coming down the pipeline.

09-07-2018 01:13PM

RayCun wrote: »

He's talking about building a design that wouldn't work for the conditions, and wouldn't be ready in time.

My understanding is that it was more of a last resort if diving was too difficult and the only alternative was to leave them there for four months. When he was asked to do this, it was looking a lot more likely that they could be there that long. And the professional divers there have said it would work.

That still may be the case and if it does start raining bad resulting in them being trapped, some device that could give them a better chance of survival would be surely welcomed. Their island is not guaranteed to last those months.

RayCun wrote: »

But his fanboys swoon...

Based on what I've written above, which of us do you imagine has a better handle on what's going on? And you call me a fanboy. It couldn't possibly be more fitting that the person who can't think attacks the person who admires the person who can. Screw experts, amirite? Far handier to be a prick on your couch.

God created Elon Musk to be a supervillain but forgot to flip the last switch.

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