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Are you well off?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,746 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Augeo wrote:
    You've plenty interest in seeing it taxed away from folk who have it though to provide the free house for all.


    I don't actually, the continual taxation of labour over capital is unsustainable, and is currently failing, oh we truly need to accept 'free' is an Orwellian word that's banded around a lot these days, there's effectively no such thing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    garv123 wrote: »
    PCP and finance for cars lets lots of people look well off these days, when really they haven't a pot to piss in.


    They have a new car to piss in :pac:


    Is this a version of reverse snobbery, 'I'd rather have an NCT required car...'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Charlie19


    Yeah but not everyone on here plays for a PL winning football team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    I'd say we're comfortable. "Well off" is what other people call you, and other people looking just at our income would think we're struggling.

    We're currently on one income (my husband has health issues and finding work right now isn't easy for him), so comparing us to the average income charts would place us well below the middle. Yet we don't really feel pinched. We both have cars (I chose to go electric 2 years ago, which does save a fortune in itself), both of us have motorbikes as well, with all associated costs of maintenance, tax and insurance.

    Though I do suppose that we generally spend well below average. We switch gas and electricity providers regularly to get the best rates, we don't have pay TV but a satellite dish and Kodi box instead, we don't drink a lot of alcohol, we're both vegetarian and do most of our shopping in Lidl or Aldi. We do look after 4 cats, and would buy their food in specialist pet shops.
    We're not big on going on holidays, I travel a good bit for work so when I do have time off I prefer to spend it at home rather than sitting around yet more airports and staying in yet more hotels.
    What money we save, we tend to invest in improving our house. Next thing will be having solarvoltaic panels put on the roof, with a storage battery for usage at night.

    So, to summarise, on a below-average income, but living comfortably and able to put money aside each months, after mortgage, bills, living expenses, etc.

    I do sometimes wonder how we managed to spend all of that second income with nothing to show for it while we were still both employed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭M5


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Wealth, generally, doesn't mean happiness. Health, physical and mental, would have far greater impact on happiness I imagine.



    So, you drive a nice car, it's fine, but you get used to it after a while and the thrill is fleeting.



    As long as you're not short as per Dickens - Income per year €30,000, expenditure €29,950 equals happiness. Income per year €60,000, expenditure €60,050 equals misery. You become accustomed to your "wealth level".

    It more comfortable crying in a Mercedes than a bike though!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    M5 wrote: »
    It more comfortable crying in a Mercedes than a bike though!


    Not nearly as much fun though :D
    fastest-motorcycle-Ducati-1098s.jpg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'm doing pretty OK, all things considered. Roof over my head. Food in the fridge. Have some nice mostly appreciating "stuff" too. No rent, loans or any of that. Zero debt, something I tried to avoid all my life. Can't rest easy owing money. I certainly can't rest easy if the debt involved isn't a way to ultimately gain an appreciating asset or longterm return. Hence I would never take a loan out on something like a new car, or anything that loses value the second I drive it off the forecourt or take it out of the shop*. I could never understand people buying into the "free credit" thing to buy stuff like TVs and phones etc. Sure, if your fridge gives up the ghost and you don't have the readies at hand, but "luxury" stuff? I get the dopamine hit and all that, but that doesn't last very long, but the direct debit does.

    Oddly enough I learned that from the side of the family who actually had money and "old money" going back to the 1800's with it. Frugality was the order of the day. And when they spent money it was on stuff that lasted. Ever wonder why all those big gaffs in England owned by Lord and Lady Chinlesswonder-Inbreed have all those "antiques" going back centuries? They never threw anything out. It's not so long ago when working folks with less did the same. If we ignore the BS of being peddled "green" products all the time, that usually require "upgrading" or just expire in a product cycle, people were actually "greener" before all that.

    I was more well off in the past, where I had all of the above and a fair chunk of change in savings and investments, but family and life stuff jumped into my path from nowhere and burnt through that in a scarily quick manner. Still and for all that and when I look at a fair few of my peers in thrall to banks, fretting over things I take(almost) for granted I'm bloody lucky indeed. When banks ring me it's to "offer" me "great deals", rather than to berate me for a payment a day out. A couple of weeks ago I was in my local bank and one of the staff put the talk on me and she asked me if I was interested in a car loan. When she asked how old my car was and I replied twenty years old, she nearly had an attack of the vapours at the thought. When she said with some concern that she was only five years older than my car, I said ah thanks for making me feel old. :D We actually went on to have a good convo on "value" and all that stuff.






    *Even my old jalopy is worth more now than I paid for it, which is a hard trick to pull off with cars and more luck than judgement to be fair. :D I likely would have sold it on years ago save for the above life stuff that got in the way and it would long be recycled into manhole covers.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    There's truth in that wibbs. I realised a while ago that rich people actually handle their money better.
    If you come from a poor background most of the time your attitude towards money is warped.

    If you give €200 euro to someone who's barely scraping by they're likely to blow it on something.
    I reckon its because that money won't make a difference in the long run so you may as well get some luxury out of it that you wouldn't afford otherwise and continue scraping.
    You need to spend extra money as soon as you get it because otherwise it just gets absorbed by all the necessities.

    With that ingrained in you, as soon as you start earning decent money its spend spend spend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    What I found odd over the years was that there were always certain lads that I worked with who never seemed to have money. They'd be earning the same as me but we're living on their wits until the next payday.
    I used to change my car regularly and have no problems doing it along with annual foreign holidays and weekends away on the tear,these fellas must have been burning their wages on a Friday night. None had any alcohol, gambling or other addictions but their money just disappeared. One lad I know has started a new job on double what he was previously earning and is still broke before the next payday.
    I can pay my bills, keep a roof over my head and have money left over so I'm doing better than quite a few that I know.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    somefeen wrote: »

    With that ingrained in you, as soon as you start earning decent money its spend spend spend.
    And understandably too SF. Like you say if you've eff all and a windfall drops in your lap... Many years ago I knew of a lad who won a couple of million on the Irish lottery. "Ordinary" working class bloke who naturally was ecstatic. Who wouldn't be? I'd be running through the streets naked, covered in honey, shouting "lick me peasants!" :D Blew almost all of it within five years with little to show for it. I remember chatting with him in the pub and trying to get it into his head that when "money" reaches a certain level it generates more money by virtue of its very existence, that he should leave the principle alone and leverage purchases against it and invest sensibly so that he'd have a helluva "wage" coming in and the winnings would remain there.

    He just couldn't get that. It was something to be spent and something to show off. The latter isn't reserved for folks like you and me though, the stupidly rich can be worse for that. If you're so wealthy that you can buy near anything, exclusivity really kicks in. Hence auctions for fine art, watches, jewels, antiques, rare cars, etc, anything that is so rare nobody else can have it, can go to mad money. That need to say "I have this and you don't". It's a willie measuring competition. The difference being the extremely rich usually don't end up sleeping on benches to do it. Though a few have. Having known a few of said rich in my time, they can actually be more scatter brained. Triply so for the newly minted rich. That competitive streak and confidence and energy that got them to where they are, can also be their downfall.


    FWIW what I have learned so far from life is that it is fleeting and all that willie waving and "stuff" and worry will be after you, and most of it will be thrown to the winds soon after you're gone. There are no pockets in a shroud and you don't see a moving van behind a hearse. I have seen that a few times in my life up close and personal. Only last year an elderly chap I knew passed away after a good innings. He had some nice kit and was worth a few bob and like us all had been at times worried about all that. Within a week of his death the house was being stripped for sale. Some of his things went to family and friends, but when his rellies advertised the rest of his stuff on Donedeal/Adverts, they had zero takers. The vast majority of his things ended up unwanted and destined for the dump(as the guys who did this stuff for a living said; mostly people don't want "old" stuff anymore). That's a sobering thought.

    For me? Being "well off", beyond being able to feed, clothe and house you and yours, is far more about the "investments" and "returns" you get from friends, family and your wider community. And that's something we all can strive to earn.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Own my own house and drive a 2017 Dacia - yeah !! So I feel very well off .

    Owning the house is the biggest thing, I can tighten my belt on everything else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Am 35, own gaff (Inherited) but also renting, drive an old car.
    I like to travel and own nice things, I’ve saved about 16 Grand so okay I think.
    Funny thing is I had more money when I was in my early 20’s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I have my health and my family around me

    The older I get the more I realise that the ever changing numbers on a screen and on pieces of paper mean less and less


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,543 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Nope. My most valuable asset is a ten-year-old car.
    Luxury.

    We used to have a wooden box with trolley wheels for transport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,027 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I'm not the former queen mothers brothers level of paupery. Look up the phrase stoney broke that's where that comes from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭jimbobaloobob


    Enjoying this thread. I earn far less than the minimal wage, self employed so no benefits possible
    Time it would take to cease self employment would leave me penny less for too long to serve rents.
    Go without many of the comforts like tv etc.
    Rich in that every morning I experience the dawn chorus and every evening see the sun set.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    I don't think having things is a mark of being "well off". Most new cars/ houses etc are all borrowed money.... There's no "well off" about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    screamer wrote: »
    I don't think having things is a mark of being "well off". Most new cars/ houses etc are all borrowed money.... There's no "well off" about it.

    These things eventually own you not the other way around


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    Well off is a capitalist construct.

    If you read the thread through it should dawn on you that some people here have a deeper understanding of what it means to be well off than would, say, armchair revolutionaries.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Spencer Winterbotham


    I am doing well. I took home €220K after tax in salary and about €70k in passive or as the government calls it "unearned" income in 2017.

    It'll be quite a bit more this year.

    I owe the bank about 1mil and have assets worth 2mil...

    I come from a working class family and just found a lucrative niche by chance really.

    I do however work constantly. I am in my late 30s and have no missus, never married and no kids.

    A recent relationship has just ended and I am gutted. I am alone.

    All I have is work....

    I have all my life been very money orientated.... I thought It would make me happy but it has not.

    I look at all my pals getting married with kids and they seem happy. I believe being a father is a part of the circle of life and that I am missing out.

    I'm not even into material things... I just earn because I can and I am competitive.

    I often look to others who have so much less than I do (resources) and and think if only I had what they had (family life) I would be happy.....

    So.... there you go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I could afford to make myself look numerous times more flash than I do but I've been through a number of redundancys and also stung buying cars at maximum depreciation level and have seen sense where what car you can buy outright for a few weeks wages is the way to go. I'm happy enough to know if I lost the job in the morning I could basically sit on my hole for a long time if needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭jimbobaloobob


    I am doing well. I took home €220K after tax in salary and about €70k in passive or as the government calls it "unearned" income in 2017.

    It'll be quite a bit more this year.

    I owe the bank about 1mil and have assets worth 2mil...

    I come from a working class family and just found a lucrative niche by chance really.

    I do however work constantly. I am in my late 30s and have no missus, never married and no kids.

    A recent relationship has just ended and I am gutted. I am alone.

    All I have is work....

    I have all my life been very money orientated.... I thought It would make me happy but it has not.

    I look at all my pals getting married with kids and they seem happy. I believe being a father is a part of the circle of life and that I am missing out.

    I'm not even into material things... I just earn because I can and I am competitive.

    I often look to others who have so much less than I do (resources) and and think if only I had what they had (family life) I would be happy.....

    So.... there you go.

    Seeing as you have the money thing mastered could you focus your competitiveness towards some of the things you feel you haven't achieved.
    Interesting to read your post. Your annual income I haven't seen in 5-8 years work but I'm terrible at valuing my services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭screamer


    I am doing well. I took home €220K after tax in salary and about €70k in passive or as the government calls it "unearned" income in 2017.

    It'll be quite a bit more this year.

    I owe the bank about 1mil and have assets worth 2mil...

    I come from a working class family and just found a lucrative niche by chance really.

    I do however work constantly. I am in my late 30s and have no missus, never married and no kids.

    A recent relationship has just ended and I am gutted. I am alone.

    All I have is work....

    I have all my life been very money orientated.... I thought It would make me happy but it has not.

    I look at all my pals getting married with kids and they seem happy. I believe being a father is a part of the circle of life and that I am missing out.

    I'm not even into material things... I just earn because I can and I am competitive.

    I often look to others who have so much less than I do (resources) and and think if only I had what they had (family life) I would be happy.....

    So.... there you go.
    That's pretty sad to read.... Money for sure is not the be all and the end all. You're obviously doing really well financially and hats off to you. Your post just reminds me the things that make us well off are intrinsically things that are priceless.... That cannot be bought.... Love, health, family etc. Maybe put some of your energy and focus into thinking about what you really need out of life, and with the drive that you have, I'd bet you'll be able to achieve it and more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I have my family. My health. We own our home outright. We own our car, 7 years old and if it went missing tomorrow i couldnt care less. We owe no one anything. Im happy in my job. My kids are the best. So yes im well off.
    I could survive without everything but my family and our health. Everything else is jam:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    I am doing well. I took home €220K after tax in salary and about €70k in passive or as the government calls it "unearned" income in 2017.

    It'll be quite a bit more this year.

    I owe the bank about 1mil and have assets worth 2mil...

    I come from a working class family and just found a lucrative niche by chance really.

    I do however work constantly. I am in my late 30s and have no missus, never married and no kids.

    A recent relationship has just ended and I am gutted. I am alone.

    All I have is work....

    I have all my life been very money orientated.... I thought It would make me happy but it has not.

    I look at all my pals getting married with kids and they seem happy. I believe being a father is a part of the circle of life and that I am missing out.

    I'm not even into material things... I just earn because I can and I am competitive.

    I often look to others who have so much less than I do (resources) and and think if only I had what they had (family life) I would be happy.....

    So.... there you go.

    You're going grand. The rest will work out for you yet with a bit of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,287 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Average earnings are 45-46k.

    After 20 years work, I now earn maybe 1.33 times average earnings.

    Not great, is it?

    My net wealth is 250-300k, just ok, but not very good.

    Still, I'm an optimist, and I'm very lucky to live in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,287 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I earn far less than the minimal wage, self employed so no benefits possible

    Note that although the media keep saying self-employed don't qualify for any welfare payments, this is wrong, they can apply for JSA like any employed person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭erica74


    I look at all my pals getting married with kids and they seem happy. I believe being a father is a part of the circle of life and that I am missing out.

    Do you want to be a father or do you just feel like you're missing out when you see your friends as fathers? Sometimes comparing ourselves isn't useful, it's how you feel that's important.
    I often look to others who have so much less than I do (resources) and and think if only I had what they had (family life) I would be happy.....

    So.... there you go.

    I think you need to find what makes you happy. You've obviously made a success of yourself but it seems like you feel there's something missing, that something may be marriage and/or children, neither or both.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭rickis tache


    I am.......if you have feck all yourself.....but not if your minted.

    No big loans I.e. mortgage.
    No big assets I.e. house.
    few euro saved. 20kplus
    wife 2 kids


    feck all in the fridge mind....must pop to shop.


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