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Annoying Toyota hybrid advertising.

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    If you really gave a crap about the planet you'd drive your old banger into the ground.
    and you wouldn't have three kids


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Drifter50


    Philb76 wrote: »
    At least the ad gets to the point unlike the ads for eir broadband wtf is that all about

    The EIR add with Cormac and Katya going rallying, had enough of that

    Keep her tidy now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    I prefer the VW ad where Angela Merkel orders me to buy a diesel and that way nobody gets hurt!

    Might have dreamt that tbh....


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Hydrogen power is the future or possibly nuclear steam power.
    There is no such thing as Hydrogen power.

    It's only a way to store energy. And since you need energy to extract it from methane or water the greenhouse emissions go up.



    Pretty much all nuclear power is steam power, using 19th century steam turbine technology. We've been breeding fuel in nuclear reactors for 74 years now. And that industry still can't build stuff on time, on budget, nevermind geting working breeders needed to use thorium or extend uranium supplies.

    In comparison the cost of solar panels is due to fall another 30% this year.



    Aluminium might be a handy material for car batteries. React it with air for power and then send the alumina produced back to Iceland to be turned back in to aluminium using cheap hydro power.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    looksee wrote: »
    I haven't heard the ad - but. I bought a Toyota hybrid last year and despite a bit of veiled mockery - and a few straight up digs - from the odd smart arse, I like it. And while ye are all laughing, I am spending buttons on fuel.

    Smug alert:pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    There’s a woman on the radio that tells me a few times a day that she’s basically saving the planet driving her three kids to school in a Toyota hybrid. Another man says he has the price of a holiday every year saved by driving one.
    Am I alone in finding these ads very annoying?

    Jesus every time I hear that ad I think it's about suicide awareness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Needles73


    carsfan2 wrote: »
    There’s a woman on the radio that tells me a few times a day that she’s basically saving the planet driving her three kids to school in a Toyota hybrid. Another man says he has the price of a holiday every year saved by driving one.
    Am I alone in finding these ads very annoying?

    Am I alone in thinking if she only needs to fill up every five weeks she doesn't need a bloody car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Don't usually listen to the radio.
    Had missus' car last 2 days.

    This ad has been wrecking my head.

    The environment would have been far better off if you'd driven your last car into the grounds rather than using massive resources to produce a new car!!
    Appreciate some have to do a school run bit majority could walk, bike, bus.

    Yet man saving a holiday a year ditto. The depreciation you're being hit with compared to that of an older car = minus a fairly serious holiday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Every radio ad seems to be either cars I don't want/can't afford or insurance ads (all of which make my ears bleed)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,539 ✭✭✭jca


    looksee wrote: »
    I haven't heard the ad - but. I bought a Toyota hybrid last year and despite a bit of veiled mockery - and a few straight up digs - from the odd smart arse, I like it. And while ye are all laughing, I am spending buttons on fuel.

    What km's are you getting from a tank of petrol? I'm getting between 700 and 800 from my 1.0 TSI dsg Octavia, I almost had a really tiny mileage top and I mean top of the range 141 Auris hybrid bought last year ( panoramic sun roof, dove grey leather every extra available in this car) but I was let down by my car buyer. I heard from a reliable source that Skoda are bringing out a hybrid Octavia for 2019. I'm considering going the hybrid route myself next time I'm changing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    "that's the price of a holiday"
    Simple ad for simple folk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,669 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    looksee wrote: »
    I haven't heard the ad - but. I bought a Toyota hybrid last year and despite a bit of veiled mockery - and a few straight up digs - from the odd smart arse, I like it. And while ye are all laughing, I am spending buttons on fuel.

    You going anywhere nice on holiday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Men with small penises drive automatics. Hybrids are automatics.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,539 ✭✭✭jca


    Men with small penises drive automatics. Hybrids are automatics.

    I like my small penis...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    One thing that bothers me is saying they're saving money on fuel to pay for a holiday. In the real world that simply wouldn't be true. Hybrid models are more expensive so you're losing something like €1,000-1,500 which would pay for fuel for the year. It's not like you're going to be flush with cash by driving a hybrid. It would probably take a year or so to start seeing savings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,539 ✭✭✭jca


    DaveyDave wrote: »
    One thing that bothers me is saying they're saving money on fuel to pay for a holiday. In the real world that simply wouldn't be true. Hybrid models are more expensive so you're losing something like €1,000-1,500 which would pay for fuel for the year. It's not like you're going to be flush with cash by driving a hybrid. It would probably take a year or so to start seeing savings.

    What mpg do they actually do? Does anyone know? I've tried asking a few owners but they aren't very bright and just say things like, she's quare good on juice but never actually give proper figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    jca wrote: »
    What mpg do they actually do? Does anyone know? I've tried asking a few owners but they aren't very bright and just say things like, she's quare good on juice but never actually give proper figures.

    Not too sure. The official combined figures on the Prius is something silly like 3.3L/100km (85mpg!) But I've read it's closer to 5.5L. I've also heard it's crap on the motorway. All hearsay and forum talk though.

    My sister had one and now has a Prius+, she said it was decent on fuel but not sure what the actual numbers are. She sold it a month before I was looking for a car, raging I missed out on it because I was actually looking at a Prius for my first car but they were all €9-10k unless they had 200,000km on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,711 ✭✭✭stimpson


    DaveyDave wrote: »
    Not too sure. The official combined figures on the Prius is something silly like 3.3L/100km (85mpg!) But I've read it's closer to 5.5L. I've also heard it's crap on the motorway. All hearsay and forum talk though.

    My sister had one and now has a Prius+, she said it was decent on fuel but not sure what the actual numbers are. She sold it a month before I was looking for a car, raging I missed out on it because I was actually looking at a Prius for my first car but they were all €9-10k unless they had 200,000km on them.

    The new Prius is around that. I have an Auris with the previous gen hybrid system and get 6l/100 with mainly city driving. It goes as low as 4.5 on long trips to the in laws (morltorway and N roads)

    And as for cost, Toyota have the best residuals of any brand. I traded in a 5 year old Verso and the depreciation on it was < 2K per annum. All things considered I think it’s as cheap to run as an old banger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,322 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    DaveyDave wrote: »
    Not too sure. The official combined figures on the Prius is something silly like 3.3L/100km (85mpg!) But I've read it's closer to 5.5L. I've also heard it's crap on the motorway. All hearsay and forum talk though..

    I had use of a Hyundai ix20 diesel before Christmas and it was getting about that urban.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Enough saved for a weekend holiday in Courtown sleeping in the car.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    Hybrid is the new Diesel joke, another stop gap job from the motor industry. Fully electric at least is eco friendly.


    Half the world is struggling to put food on the table, im sure its a real concern to them we are not driving hybrids.

    Neighbours 2L diesel engine from an old 80s Nissan vanette still going strong on a boat in south Africa (He's a fisherman). Thats eco friendly!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Tuco88 wrote: »
    Hybrid is the new Diesel joke, another stop gap job from the motor industry. Fully electric at least is eco friendly.


    Half the world is struggling to put food on the table, im sure its a real concern to them we are not driving hybrids.

    Neighbours 2L diesel engine from an old 80s Nissan vanette still going strong on a boat in south Africa (He's a fisherman). Thats eco friendly!

    That's the whole thing.
    The most environmentally unfriendly part of a car is producing the bloody thing day one.
    If yero ne in the ad is doing 100km a week she should have an old yaris until it calves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭cbyrd


    Does make you wonder where the electricity comes from...
    It makes me weep that she's so gullible..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    DaveyDave wrote: »
    Not too sure. The official combined figures on the Prius is something silly like 3.3L/100km (85mpg!) But I've read it's closer to 5.5L. I've also heard it's crap on the motorway. All hearsay and forum talk though.

    My sister had one and now has a Prius+, she said it was decent on fuel but not sure what the actual numbers are. She sold it a month before I was looking for a car, raging I missed out on it because I was actually looking at a Prius for my first car but they were all €9-10k unless they had 200,000km on them.

    The current generation Prius gets me Cork to Dublin and back and two days driving around Dublin on €40 of petrol.

    They're not bad at all on motorway driving. You have to realise that Ireland's not the Netherlands and isn't totally flat. So it's using the hybrid drive to pick up energy and release it as the road inclines and declines. It's smoothing out the motorway in terms of energy.

    You'll also get maximum efficiency by driving smoothly. If you keep hard accelerating, you burn a lot more fuel. That's true of any car but it's very much pointed out to you graphically in the Prius.

    You tend to moderate your driving in urban to become very much smoother than you would in a normal car.

    The current generation is also very zippy, there's a 1.8 petrol engine combined with electric drive which gives you huge torque at low speeds and it's the responsive and extremely quiet to drive. It's very hard to get used to the rough gear charges of manual or regular automatic transmission after driving it for a while. The Toyota system effectively is a continuous gear. It also does seamless start stop of the petrol engine. So you don't have that awful jolt that loss of power you get at traffic lights with normal start stop systems.

    The other nice feature is because it's electric you can manouver at almost no speed / any slow speed for precise parking or getting into tight spaces. There's no "jolt" and no minimum speed and no biting point. It just responds to any accelerator press, silently and smoothly. It can provide basically full torque electrically at any speed because an electric motor can do that far better than an engine sir to the nature of the technology. Piston engines can't reduce their rotation as flexibly as an induction motor which has huge power at any speed.

    All in all its a very refined drive system at this stage.

    You get people online slagging the Prius but it's actually a very nice system. Also a family member yas an 08 Prius that's going since new without any reliability issues whatsoever. Probably the least trouble car I've ever encountered. No major repairs, no faults, no big service issues, very cheap and widely available spare parts compared to luxury brands and so on.

    The only thing I would fault them with is the tail light design on the most recent models. It looks greatand extremely slick from the front and weird from the back. Very odd design.

    They're a phenomenal piece of engineering when you look at the engine design and what it's doing and how reliable the whole thing is.

    It is a stopgap technology but, burning petrol is just less emission prone because petrol is much more refined fuel. You'll never have issues with particulates, need for complicated filtration and all of that. Squeezing more and more out of diesel, which is simply a “dirtier” (less refined) fuel, was very much a cruder stop gap in comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    The current generation Prius gets me Cork to Dublin and back and two days driving around Dublin on €40 of petrol.

    They're not bad at all on motorway driving. You have to realise that Ireland's not the Netherlands and isn't totally flat. So it's using the hybrid drive to pick up energy and release it as the road inclines and declines. It's smoothing out the motorway in terms of energy.

    You'll also get maximum efficiency by driving smoothly. If you keep hard accelerating, you burn a lot more fuel. That's true of any car but it's very much pointed out to you graphically in the Prius.

    You tend to moderate your driving in urban to become very much smoother than you would in a normal car.

    The current generation is also very zippy, there's a 1.8 petrol engine combined with electric drive which gives you huge torque at low speeds and it's the responsive and extremely quiet to drive. It's very hard to get used to the rough gear charges of manual or regular automatic transmission after driving it for a while. The Toyota system effectively is a continuous gear. It also does seamless start stop of the petrol engine. So you don't have that awful jolt that loss of power you get at traffic lights with normal start stop systems.

    The other nice feature is because it's electric you can manouver at almost no speed / any slow speed for precise parking or getting into tight spaces. There's no "jolt" and no minimum speed and no biting point. It just responds to any accelerator press, silently and smoothly. It can provide basically full torque electrically at any speed because an electric motor can do that far better than an engine sir to the nature of the technology. Piston engines can't reduce their rotation as flexibly as an induction motor which has huge power at any speed.

    All in all its a very refined drive system at this stage.

    You get people online slagging the Prius but it's actually a very nice system. Also a family member yas an 08 Prius that's going since new without any reliability issues whatsoever. Probably the least trouble car I've ever encountered. No major repairs, no faults, no big service issues, very cheap and widely available spare parts compared to luxury brands and so on.

    The only thing I would fault them with is the tail light design on the most recent models. It looks greatand extremely slick from the front and weird from the back. Very odd design.

    They're a phenomenal piece of engineering when you look at the engine design and what it's doing and how reliable the whole thing is.

    It is a stopgap technology but, burning petrol is just less emission prone because petrol is much more refined fuel. You'll never have issues with particulates, need for complicated filtration and all of that. Squeezing more and more out of diesel, which is simply a “dirtier” (less refined) fuel, was very much a cruder stop gap in comparison.

    What is mpg or even litre per 100km?
    Hybrid drivers never state - just yeah it's great. Tank of fuel......
    Had an auris diesel, would do 55mpg if i took i handy, i don't so it did more like 46, 47. So Dublin to Cork return about €35 (at 55mpg)

    Also 0 to 60 in over 10 seconds is not "Zippy" it's slooooow, as indeed was said Auris.
    A modern diesel say a 320d will do 0 to 60 in under 8 seconds and over 50mpg.

    Hybrid still has a long way to go for anyone who does a lot of driving and electric should suit those that do not


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    In what way does it have a long way to go?

    You're comparing an Auris - a subcompact Toyota to a BMW 320d ?! The whole concept and focus of those two cars is completely different.

    There's also a significant difference, including in the suspension systems of the current Prius and Auris and last Prius versions.

    Looking back through the fuel consumption records on the Prius:

    Trip 1 : 4.9
    Trip 2 : 5.0
    Trip 3 : 5.1
    Trip 4 : 4.9
    Trip 5: 5.1

    Biggest variable is the air-conditioning load and I'm not skimping on it at the moment. It's running full on. I also don't really drive to maximise fuel efficiency. I just tend to be a little more gentle in traffic than I might have been previously.

    From what I can see none of the manufacturers give realistic fuel consumption though. I know from occasionally driving an Audi A4 the spec Vs the really are miles apart too on real world fuel consumption.

    What they're allowed to for the official spec is borderline misleading to give minimal figures - no weight, unrealistically ideal road conditions, reduced drag etc etc

    https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1112460_europes-tougher-new-emissions-fuel-economy-tests-should-be-closer-to-real-world-results

    Pre 2017 the ratings are probably too optimistic by up to 30%


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Don't usually listen to the radio.
    Had missus' car last 2 days.

    This ad has been wrecking my head.

    The environment would have been far better off if you'd driven your last car into the grounds rather than using massive resources to produce a new car!!
    Appreciate some have to do a school run bit majority could walk, bike, bus.

    Yet man saving a holiday a year ditto. The depreciation you're being hit with compared to that of an older car = minus a fairly serious holiday.

    And the holiday probably involves that very environmentally friendly jet airliner. :rolleyes:

    Actually wasn't it proven that yes a Prius is low on fuel if you drive conservatively, but if you don't they are not that low on fuel consumption.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭MikeyTaylor


    I haven't really heard the ads. Am I missing anything?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,670 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The environment would have been far better off if you'd driven your last car into the grounds rather than using massive resources to produce a new car!!
    yeah and the kids would be much better off getting some exercise

    and workers wouldn't be delayed getting to work


    and sad to say one easily preventable cause of death is young children being reversed over because they aren't tall enough to be seen out the back of these monstrosities. In the USA.
    50 children a week are backed over by cars -- among that number two children die. Most victims are between 12 and 23 months old.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    EdgeCase wrote: »
    In what way does it have a long way to go?

    You're comparing an Auris - a subcompact Toyota to a BMW 320d ?! The whole concept and focus of those two cars is completely different.

    There's also a significant difference, including in the suspension systems of the current Prius and Auris and last Prius versions.

    Looking back through the fuel consumption records on the Prius:

    Trip 1 : 4.9
    Trip 2 : 5.0
    Trip 3 : 5.1


    Nope I compared a prius with an Auris and a prius with a 320d.

    So your prius gets worse MPG than an Auris diesel. Going on my actual of between 4.8 And 5.0 in 9 months of ownership. And diesel is significantly cheaper. And cheaper car day 1.

    A long way to go......

    Also if doing shorter journeys an electric makes far more sense.

    The 320d was in response to the zippy comment. Prius and auris diesel not in any way quick. Was probably a stretch but just picking a quickish economic car. I'm sure there's a Leon 180ish bhp same price as prius and 0 to 60 under 8 secs with same economy. Prius is an expensive machine and just seems

    to be stopgap tech. Diesel will be surpassed and probably has been by a tesla but hasn't been by any hybrid.


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