Cultural Appropriation...Am I going mad?

Venom · 05-07-2018 06:42PM

Pat Mustard wrote: »

A white man playing a black man and a man of normal intelligence playing a mentally disabled man. Shocking.

Time to stamp out this practice with appropriate fines for first offences and/or prison sentences for repeat offenders.

Something also needs to be done about Tom Cruise's fake Oirish accent in Far and Away. 'Tis xenophobia of the highest order, to be sure to be sure.

Even tho it was only made 10 years ago, the amount of outrage if Tropic Thunder was made today would be off the charts

megaten · 05-07-2018 06:42PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

Here's three Japanese women playing a cover of The Beatles version of a Chuck Berry song. Does that count as cultural appropriation?

You know its a Beatles song so obviously not?

Donald Trump · 05-07-2018 06:44PM

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

This detestable term has come into vogue recently. Yes, I'm familiar that the term has existed for some time, but it appears that it's (mis)use has now grown to be a first point of call for the masses, when it comes to everything from dreadlocks to SJW's getting offended about kids going to birthday parties dressed as cowboys and Indians.

Am I missing something here?

Where dose cultural appropriation sit with social diversity/inclusion?

I'm getting really sick of people claiming cultural 'ownership' of something associated with their ancestors, while at the same time demanding to be treated as an equal in their 'adopted' country.

This is not a discussion about race, more about cultures and heritage.

Where does it stop? And why are we tolerating it?

Some examples

http://www.playbill.com/article/theatre-cancels-aida-amid-concerns-over-cultural-appropriation

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/play-canceled-after-white-student-cast-as-main-character

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/31/living/white-dreadlocks-cultural-appropriation-feat/index.html

Fo' schizzle ma nizzle

Irish Guitarist · 05-07-2018 06:54PM

megaten wrote: »

You know its a Beatles song so obviously not?

It's a Chuck Berry song that The Beatles did a cover version of and now a Japanese female Beatles tribute band are playing it.

megaten · 05-07-2018 07:04PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

It's a Chuck Berry song that The Beatles did a cover version of and now a Japanese female Beatles tribute band are playing it.

The fact that you know that without having to look into it means it not cultural appropriation?

Ipso · 05-07-2018 07:06PM

So is there a graph that shows when popularity increases that appropriation declines?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-07-2018 07:07PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I hate when white actors are cast in roles that aren't white, there is no excuse for it. I also hate non-disabled actors playing people with wheelchairs or cisgender folk playing trans characters.

However, I don't get how a white person wearing dreadlocks is cultural appropriation and if anything shows a lack of awareness about European cultures like the Celts or Vikings.

So if my left foot came out today you’d criticise Daniel day Lewis.

Irish Guitarist · 05-07-2018 07:09PM

megaten wrote: »

The fact that you know that without having to look into it means it not cultural appropriation?

You've lost me.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-07-2018 07:12PM

What I hate is when they take our turnip tradition and use pumpkins instead.

(Am I doing this right?)

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-07-2018 07:14PM

Then they took our rugby and start throwing the ball forward.

megaten · 05-07-2018 07:16PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

You've lost me.

Why?

wexie · 05-07-2018 07:36PM

Thankfully there still seem to be plenty of people fighting this madness :

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pleas advice · 05-07-2018 07:57PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I hate when white actors are cast in roles that aren't white, there is no excuse for it. I also hate non-disabled actors playing people with wheelchairs or cisgender folk playing trans characters.

It's called 'acting'...

mikemac2 · 05-07-2018 08:04PM

Act of Valour was a 2012 gung ho Americkay film backed by the US Navy hoping for recruits

It was very successful and made over 80 million on a 12 million budget which is a smallish budget these days

No professional actors were used as they decided to use soldiers, sailors, navy personnel for the roles

Ah you can tell they are not professionals, very hammy acting. It's clear to all they are not good actors

Yeah it's noble to call for disabled people to play disabled roles, etc etc but professional actors have a skill that people notice and appreciate

I hated that film but then most any film with American nationalism can make $$$

Grayson · 05-07-2018 08:05PM

Venom wrote: »

Even tho it was only made 10 years ago, the amount of outrage if Tropic Thunder was made today would be off the charts

You realise that blackface was inappropriate then? There wasn't outrage because the joke is a guy doing blackface. The actor wasn't pretending to be black. He was playing an idiot who was pretending to be black. And that was the joke. Did it go over your head?

As for my favorite cultural appropriation, this is it.

Grayson · 05-07-2018 08:10PM

metaoblivia wrote: »

Cultural appropriation is one of those things that exists but has been blown way out of proportion. My best example of actual cultural appropriation would be non-Native Americans wearing Native American war bonnets or headdresses. A war bonnet is not just a piece of traditional clothing - it's a sacred adornment that must be earned, like a medal of honor. Because of this, seeing a war bonnet worn as a fashion accessory is offensive to a lot of Native Americans (http://apihtawikosisan.com/hall-of-shame/an-open-letter-to-non-natives-in-headdresses/). It's not the same a non-native wearing Native American jewelry as a fashion accessory because jewelry is intended to be worn as a fashion accessory.

However. As with so many things, people take it too far. Now, white people twerking is cultural appropriation. Dreadlocks are cultural appropriation (never mind that many European cultures have a tradition of braiding and locking hair). A girl wearing a qipao - a Chinese dress "culturally appropriated" from the West! - is cultural appropriation. Weirdly, there's a lot of overlap between people who promote a multi-cultural society and people who take the cultural appropriation shtick too far. Cultural appropriation is the natural by-product of a multi-cultural society. It's good to be sensitive about some things, but when you have to justify eating chicken curry by first explaining your knowledge of curry and its role in Asian cultures, then it's gone too far.

I agree completly. It can be taken too far but there are some of the times where I think it's a case of "I don't see why you'd be offended". It is hard for people who have never been the butt of racism or sexism to understand how some things are sensitive.

AfterLife · 05-07-2018 08:14PM

Cultural appropriation, like most modern cultural problems is a North American issue. Let them deal with it. It has nothing to do with Ireland.

pickarooney · 05-07-2018 08:17PM

Grayson wrote: »

You realise that blackface was inappropriate then? There wasn't outrage because the joke is a guy doing blackface. The actor wasn't pretending to be black. He was playing an idiot who was pretending to be black. And that was the joke. Did it go over your head?

As for my favorite cultural appropriation, this is it.

I'm sorry but you can't possibly expect the SJW crowd to apply common sense, an understanding of irony or humour to any situation. Everything is face value. Everything is wrong.

whisky_galore · 05-07-2018 09:03PM

AfterLife wrote: »

Cultural appropriation, like most modern cultural problems is a North American issue. Let them deal with it. It has nothing to do with Ireland.

It'll come here, we like to ape most things that trend in Yankland.

Ronaldinho · 05-07-2018 09:05PM

AfterLife wrote: »

Cultural appropriation, like most modern cultural problems is a North American issue. Let them deal with it. It has nothing to do with Ireland.

What about all the burrito bars where the food is made and sold by non-Mexicans?

Grayson · 05-07-2018 09:31PM

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm sorry but you can't possibly expect the SJW crowd to apply common sense, an understanding of irony or humour to any situation. Everything is face value. Everything is wrong.

the only person I see making a blanket statement here is you.

Anyways, here's another blackface.

WARNING: there are naked male arses in the first video. So i wouldn't put this on in work.

Grayson · 05-07-2018 09:31PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

What about all the burrito bars where the food is made and sold by non-Mexicans?

what about all the americans who say they're irish

AfterLife · 05-07-2018 09:34PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

What about all the burrito bars where the food is made and sold by non-Mexicans?

Desperate altogether. I lost the plot when I was poured a pint of Guinness by Spanish lad in an Irish bar in Barcelona.

BattleCorp · 05-07-2018 10:03PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I hate when white actors are cast in roles that aren't white, there is no excuse for it. I also hate non-disabled actors playing people with wheelchairs or cisgender folk playing trans characters.

So by your logic we should only have psychopathic murderers playing psychopathic murderers eh?

Or if someone's character loses an arm in a film, then we'd have to saw off their arm in real life - to make it appropriate loike?

Tin Foil Hat · 05-07-2018 10:03PM

Finn Jones got an awful time for being a white guy cast as Iron Fist, even though the character has always been a white guy brought up in an Asian culture.
The only problem with Finn Jones as Iron Fist is that he's an absolutely awful actor.

Tin Foil Hat · 05-07-2018 10:07PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

What I hate is when they take our turnip tradition and use pumpkins instead.

(Am I doing this right?)

If it saves me having to hollow out a fukking turnip every October, then I couldn't be happier.

Brae100 · 05-07-2018 10:08PM

Lux23 wrote: »

Is James Bond described as white or is that just an assumption?

I think a character with cerebral palsy should be played by someone with the condition, why not? And suffering from cerebral palsy? Seriously?

You think that Christy Brown should have been played by an actor with Cerebal Palsy? You have effectively advocated the destruction of fine art.

Brae100 · 05-07-2018 10:17PM

Casting director dilemma. I need to cast someone for this multi- million dollar movie about Stephen Hawking. Who should I cast, Eddie Redmayne who will go on to win an Oscar for the role, or John Smith who actually does suffer from MND, but whose acting experience is limited to a few town hall plays.

Ipso · 05-07-2018 10:25PM

Thank god for cgi or the recent Planet of the Apes films could have got complicated.

ixoy · 05-07-2018 11:15PM

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Finn Jones got an awful time for being a white guy cast as Iron Fist, even though the character has always been a white guy brought up in an Asian culture.
The only problem with Finn Jones as Iron Fist is that he's an absolutely awful actor.

And what I found odd was there were people crying out for Iron Fist to be Asian, which would have just perpetuated a stereotype about Asians and martial arts.

Pointedly, I believe a lot of Asians and Asian Americans actually didn't agree with this uproar and saw a load of non-Asians do it on their behalf..

Cultural Appropriation...Am I going mad?

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