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Anyone willing to admit that they supported the IRA at any point?

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  • #212
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    LandersDublin wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Absolute nonsense. Both sides interact and integrate everyday. Both sides marrying and having children, I have seen first hand experience of this. The place I live has Catholics and Protestants living together comfortably, so much better than it was 20+ years ago.

    Really where is the general area? What about the young lad from the markets nailed to the ground last year in Spring Martin by west Belfast UDA?
    Get outside Belfast, plenty of integration and people living together. Belfast is not representative of Northern Ireland as a whole.


  • #213
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Because you get hundreds of thousands of people in society who attend parades during the season, attend the big events such as the 12th and 13th. It's not a tiny minority in some far off corner, it's deep rooted in Ulster society.

    Which just shows you how bigoted and sectarian all these people are.


  • #214
    [Deleted User]
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    GarIT wrote: »
    I thought it would be primarily England making the decisions but sure Britain could be used in place of England in what I said.
    The queen is the queen of England and not the queen of Britain for example.

    You might want to learn a bit about geography before you start bombing places.


  • #215
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Which just shows you how bigoted and sectarian all these people are.


    agreed. if the people of northern ireland are to integrate the orange order needs to disband IMO. it represents the bad old days and views.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #216
    bobbysands81
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    Aegir wrote: »
    You might want to learn a bit about geography before you start bombing places.

    Pity your beloved Brits never followed your advice, but hey it’s the “natives” fault for having the cheek to fight back.


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  • #217
    [Deleted User]
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    bobbysands81 wrote: »
    Pity your beloved Brits never followed your advice, but hey it’s the “natives” fault for having the cheek to fight back.

    Is your phone number eight zero eight zero eight zero?

    Asking for a friend.


  • #218
    bobbysands81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭bobbysands81


    Aegir wrote: »
    Is your phone number eight zero eight zero eight zero?

    Asking for a friend.

    Eoghan Harris told the same joke in the Sindo one week, you keep fine company.

    You should play the ball, not the man.


  • #219
    lillielad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭lillielad


    I don't agree with everything they did but I can see why they existed and done certain things too. So yeah make of that what you will.


  • #220
    LandersDublin
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    Taytoland wrote: »
    Get outside Belfast, plenty of integration and people living together. Belfast is not representative of Northern Ireland as a whole.

    Really? Like where? The bogside, Top of the Hill, Newtownhamilton, Moygashel ohhh wait these are all segregated areas outside Belfast.

    Very very few estates that are mixed, the only one I know of that has lived for any such time is the heights and sure we know what happened there. RIP


  • #221
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    archer22 wrote: »
    provoking the Unionist community into regarding all the Catholic community in northern Ireland as a fifth column hell bent on destroying them...hence the backlash of discrimination and exclusion.

    Discrimination was built into the rotten little statelet unionists created for themselves. The very fact that you acknowledge unionists were in a position to discriminate against their neighbours is proof of that fact. That's largely history although the DUP/UUP still act like unionists alone have the right to grant, or deny, rights to the public.
    protestants and catholics have been getting on fine with each other

    While the Catholics kept their heads down and knew their place.


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  • #222
    Chris_Heilong
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    Everyone did at one time or another, then mid 1990s peoples attitudes changed.


  • #223
    Taytoland
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    archer22 wrote: »
    provoking the Unionist community into regarding all the Catholic community in northern Ireland as a fifth column hell bent on destroying them...hence the backlash of discrimination and exclusion.

    Discrimination was built into the rotten little statelet unionists created for themselves. The very fact that you acknowledge unionists were in a position to discriminate against their neighbours is proof of that fact. That's largely history although the DUP/UUP still act like unionists alone have the right to grant, or deny, rights to the public.
    protestants and catholics have been getting on fine with each other

    While the Catholics kept their heads down and knew their place.
    Don't demand a petition of concern then, you reap what you sow.


  • #224
    Odhinn
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    Taytoland wrote: »
    Don't demand a petition of concern then, you reap what you sow.


    The mask has well and truly slipped now.


  • #225
    DONTMATTER
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    Didn't everyone support the IRA? There was mass celebrations of that sort of thing a couple of years ago I believe.


  • #226
    Taytoland
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    Odhinn wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Don't demand a petition of concern then, you reap what you sow.
     

    The mask has well and truly slipped now.
    What mask? I'm a Unionist, pretty upfront about it. If you don't like the petition of concern, ask for it to be abolished.


  • #227
    FrancieBrady
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    Taytoland wrote: »
    What mask? I'm a Unionist, pretty upfront about it. If you don't like the petition of concern, ask for it to be abolished.

    There are other words that describe somebody who favours a blood bath of random killing based on religion.

    I don't think you are a unionist at all btw.


  • #228
    dodderangler
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    Just unfortunate that a lot of innocent were killed.


  • #229
    [Deleted User]
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Nope , she's the queen of the united kingdom and all common realm.

    So, England then.


  • #230
    [Deleted User]
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    LandersDublin wrote: »
    Really? Like where? The bogside, Top of the Hill, Newtownhamilton, Moygashel ohhh wait these are all segregated areas outside Belfast.

    Very very few estates that are mixed, the only one I know of that has lived for any such time is the heights and sure we know what happened there. RIP

    Ah, in fairness there was a "mixed" estate one night in Ballymoney in July 1998, where a Catholic family lived...


  • #231
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Reading this thread go round and round in antagonistic circles that profit noone, makes me grateful to everyone who worked for peace in Northern Ireland.

    It really was a grand and rare achievement, created by many imperfect people. I respect all of them to some degree for it, though I doubt I'd agree with any of them entirely.


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  • #232
    Zebra3
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    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Didn't everyone support the IRA? There was mass celebrations of that sort of thing a couple of years ago I believe.

    Who could ever forget all the rats from FF/FG who hid away during the 75th commomerations of Easter 1916 that were balls deep in the flag two years ago?


  • #233
    Taytoland
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    What mask? I'm a Unionist, pretty upfront about it. If you don't like the petition of concern, ask for it to be abolished.

    There are other words that describe somebody who favours a blood bath of random killing based on religion.

    I don't think you are a unionist at all btw.
    If you want truth then don't huff about it when it's given to you. I support the Union, that makes me a Unionist.


  • #234
    robindch
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    end of the road wrote: »
    i don't agree. i believe they cemented the idea of irishness and showed the world that we were a nation which wouldn't tolerate being screwed over. sadly we are no longer that but i guess things change.
    The IRA and their fellow terrorists took everybody's inbuilt pride in their country and perverted it into a chauvanistic nationalism which hated everybody else to the extent that they felt justified in murdering anybody they wanted to, including people who happened to be unlucky enough to get in the way:

    http://www.thejournal.ie/bomb-arrest-armagh-3539301-Aug2017/
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/murdered-garda-jerry-mccabe-is-honoured-in-limerick-1.3547509
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Nick_Spanos_and_Stephen_Melrose
    etc, etc, etc.

    I can't help but wonder if you'd still be supporting terrorists and terrorist murder if one of your friends or family was blown to pieces by a bomb or a bullet from the IRA or the UVF or all the other terrorist gangs operating at the time.
    end of the road wrote: »
    they faught as soldiers but in a different way. and it was the best way.
    They did not fight as soldiers. They fought from behind the civil society which protected them, from the far end of a ticking timer, from the crosshairs of sniper's sights.

    Because they lacked the public support and the private bravery to stand up and fight as men, they instead fought as the cowards they were.


  • #235
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    robindch wrote: »
    The IRA and their fellow terrorists took everybody's inbuilt pride in their country and perverted it into a chauvanistic nationalism which hated everybody else to the extent that they felt justified in murdering anybody they wanted to, including people who happened to be unlucky enough to get in the way:

    http://www.thejournal.ie/bomb-arrest-armagh-3539301-Aug2017/
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/murdered-garda-jerry-mccabe-is-honoured-in-limerick-1.3547509
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Nick_Spanos_and_Stephen_Melrose
    etc, etc, etc.

    I can't help but wonder if you'd still be supporting terrorists and terrorist murder if one of your friends or family was blown to pieces by a bomb or a bullet from the IRA or the UVF or all the other terrorist gangs operating at the time.They did not fight as soldiers. They fought from behind the civil society which protected them, from the far end of a ticking timer, from the crosshairs of sniper's sights.

    Because they lacked the public support and the private bravery to stand up and fight as men, they instead fought as the cowards they were.

    IRA volunteers knew that on joining there was a very very good chance that they would end up being killed or imprisoned for a long time. Doesn't sound like something a coward would put themselves forward for


  • #236
    robindch
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    zapitastas wrote: »
    Doesn't sound like something a coward would put themselves forward for
    Unless, of course, they had nothing else to offer society.


  • #237
    Dr Brown
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    i would of supported Sinn Fein until they sold out on Immigration.




  • #238
    [Deleted User]
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    robindch wrote: »
    They did not fight as soldiers. They fought from behind the civil society which protected them, from the far end of a ticking timer, from the crosshairs of sniper's sights.

    Because they lacked the public support and the private bravery to stand up and fight as men, they instead fought as the cowards they were.

    Stick on a uniform and warfare becomes 'noble'. What a load of b*ll*x.....


  • #239
    jimmytwotimes 2013
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    Targeting the military/ paramilitary only would have been ok but bombing town centres etc was never acceptable.


  • #240
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    archer22 wrote: »
    Ever since the Northern Ireland state was founded the IRA have been trying to undermine it.
    Terror campaign 1920s
    Terror campaign 1940s
    Terror campaign 1950s
    Terror campaign 1960s-70s-80s-90s
    It is ironic that those self appointed 'defenders of the Catholic community' were nothing more than agent provocateurs provoking the Unionist community into regarding all the Catholic community in northern Ireland as a fifth column hell bent on destroying them...hence the backlash of discrimination and exclusion.
    The IRA were not the saviours of the catholic community, but were in fact the instigators of their misery.
    It is obvious now since the IRA have been taken out of the picture the protestants and catholics have been getting on fine with each other and realising they have far more in common with each other than with anybody else.

    What would you regard as an appropriate response to the government banning peaceful protests, and the army and police force engaging in gratuitous violence for the sole purpose of preventing the aforementioned protests from taking place?

    If you have an answer which does not inevitably lead to using physical force to hit back against those two organisations, honestly I'm all ears.


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  • #241
    robindch
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Stick on a uniform and warfare becomes 'noble'.
    Not sure where you got that bizarre idea from, but where I came from, we didn't shoot unarmed Australians on holiday in the Netherlands, we didn't blow nuns to smithereens, we didn't murder Gardai during bungled bank robberies in Adare, nor did we incinerate teenagers, children or pregnant women:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Road_bombing


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