traveller culture and history to become mandatory in school curriculums

Chaos Tourist · 03-07-2018 10:22PM

What's next: a practical hands-on guide for Provo history month in metalwork class?

Welding steel pipes and plates

Learning simple geometry from mortar fire

Identifying and mixing quality fertilizer

Forensics 101: covering your tracks

mikemac2 · 03-07-2018 10:22PM

I don't know a lot about stripping copper wire and starting toxic fires that will choke all the neighbours

Sign me up

corks finest · 03-07-2018 10:23PM

FFS

Uncharted · 03-07-2018 10:26PM

Pffft. :rolleyes:

The irony of traveller "culture " being taught in school is delicious.

Sgt Hartman · 03-07-2018 10:28PM

I have a theory that the travellers may possibly be descended from the race that was called the Fír Bolg who was said to have inhabited parts of Ireland before the coming of the Celts. Or maybe possibly they're descendants of the pre Celtic tribe that built the Brùna Boinne monuments (Tuatha de Dannan?) The races exist in mythology but there's always a touch of truth to many of the old mythological stories.
According to the old stories the Fír Bolg were defeated by the "Tuatha De Dannan" and they settled in Connaught and the Aran islands thereafter. There's very little written about them after that. Possibly they adopted a nomadic way of life. After Cromwell's "To Hell or to Connaught" campaign against the native Irish maybe the dispossessed Irish who went to Connaught intermixed with the remaining "Fir Bolg" in Connaught, adapting their customs and eventually became the travellers we know today. According to travellers many of the words used in the gammon and cant dialects of "Shelta", probably the most ancient form of "carny" dialect there's said to be words and phrases that existed before the Celtic settlers arrived here. Of course nothing is written down so it's just a theory of mine.

Calhoun · 03-07-2018 10:29PM

Its a proposal, and one of an independent. Not sure how stock should be put in it.

Also how are they planning on defining this curriculum? is it written down or captured anywhere?

Cantona's Collars · 03-07-2018 10:29PM

School tours to halting sites will be interesting.:)

judeboy101 · 03-07-2018 10:30PM

Travellers are still punished, even by our airports

http://www.thejournal.ie/passport-control-queues-4104915-Jul2018/?source=readnext

North inner city hoodlum · 03-07-2018 10:31PM

Grayson wrote: »

You're against knowledge. You're against history. How very enlightened of you.
Are you scared of learning about it? There's literally no harm that can come from it.

Knowledge of what a backwards culture who scam take and abuse their own worse than any "settled" person has or ever will.

The harm is their culture is 100 years backwards and no good will come from traveller history or cultural lessons they're a parasitic bunch of b@stards and I do feel sorry for all the kids brought up in their lifestyle where scamming robbing and shouting discrimination at every opportunity they get is above education a home and basic human decency they have caused most of their own problems because they don't want to integrate at all, funding thrown at them left right and centre and still no change.

A waste of money and time.

Effects · 03-07-2018 10:31PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

We can add it to the list, along with consent classes and "mindfulness".

My nephew does mindfulness in school. I see nothing wrong with it. Helps him treat people better.

Hitman3000 · 03-07-2018 10:34PM

So will there be a practical? You know, bare knuckle boxing match, a pony beating derby or a grabbing session with the young ones in the class?

Hitman3000 · 03-07-2018 10:36PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

Another sorry excuse for a traveller bashing thread. There's a study released today that suggested that Ireland is the most racist country in the EU.

Was Pavee Point the authors?

Ipso · 03-07-2018 10:36PM

Sgt Hartman wrote: »

I have a theory that the travellers may possibly be descended from the race that was called the Fír Bolg who was said to have inhabited parts of Ireland before the coming of the Celts. Or maybe possibly they're descendants of the pre Celtic tribe that built the Brùna Boinne monuments (Tuatha de Dannan?) The races exist in mythology but there's always a touch of truth to many of the old mythological stories.
According to the old stories the Fír Bolg were defeated by the "Tuatha De Dannan" and they settled in Connaught and the Aran islands thereafter. There's very little written about them after that. Possibly they adopted a nomadic way of life. After Cromwell's "To Hell or to Connaught" campaign against the native Irish maybe the dispossessed Irish who went to Connaught intermixed with the remaining "Fir Bolg" in Connaught, adapting their customs and eventually became the travellers we know today. According to travellers many of the words used in the gammon and cant dialects of "Shelta", probably the most ancient form of "carny" dialect there's said to be words and phrases that existed before the Celtic settlers arrived here. Of course nothing is written down so it's just a theory of mine.

Yeah but no. They're genetically the same as Irish people but more endogamous (ie. inbred).

Hitman3000 · 03-07-2018 10:37PM

Uncharted wrote:

The irony of traveller "culture " being taught in school is delicious.

Are you suggesting there will be no travellers there to learn their own history?

kenmc · 03-07-2018 10:37PM

i presume there'd be a reciprocal arrangement where they learn stuff from our culture, like laws, civics, environmental responsibility etc? Fair's fair and all

Are Am Eye · 03-07-2018 10:46PM

Sgt Hartman wrote: »

I have a theory that the travellers may possibly be descended from the race that was called the Fír Bolg who was said to have inhabited parts of Ireland before the coming of the Celts. Or maybe possibly they're descendants of the pre Celtic tribe that built the Brùna Boinne monuments (Tuatha de Dannan?) The races exist in mythology but there's always a touch of truth to many of the old mythological stories.
According to the old stories the Fír Bolg were defeated by the "Tuatha De Dannan" and they settled in Connaught and the Aran islands thereafter. There's very little written about them after that. Possibly they adopted a nomadic way of life. After Cromwell's "To Hell or to Connaught" campaign against the native Irish maybe the dispossessed Irish who went to Connaught intermixed with the remaining "Fir Bolg" in Connaught, adapting their customs and eventually became the travellers we know today. According to travellers many of the words used in the gammon and cant dialects of "Shelta", probably the most ancient form of "carny" dialect there's said to be words and phrases that existed before the Celtic settlers arrived here. Of course nothing is written down so it's just a theory of mine.

We know that a Celtic language came here in the late Iron Age and superseded whatever language was spoken before. There is no evidence of either an invasion or a migration at that time. The old idea of a Celtic Invasion is no longer supported by scholars. The archaeological record shows continuity and consistency prior to the Christian Era. There was no wide scale change except for in the area of language. We had economic and cultural links with areas that spoke Celtic languages - areas and peoples who had wealth and prestige and we no doubt looked up to them and affected and copied their fashions and language etc.

wexie · 03-07-2018 10:49PM

Grayson wrote: »

Can you name one aspect of traveller culture that you haven't seen in a tabloid?

Just out of curiosity....can you?

(genuine question) I've asked this before looking for positive aspects of traveler culture and I've yet to get an answer from anyone.

Certainly from some of the documentaries I've seen there may well have been in the past (watched a video about tinsmithing and that was certainly a skill) but those aspects seem to all have disappeared.... (yes yes I'm sure someone will come along to tell me that's the settled people's fault)

But I really honestly can't find any positive aspects about their culture and I've tried.

whisky_galore · 03-07-2018 10:56PM

wexie wrote: »

Just out of curiosity....can you?

(genuine question) I've asked this before looking for positive aspects of traveler culture and I've yet to get an answer from anyone.

Certainly from some of the documentaries I've seen there may well have been in the past (watched a video about tinsmithing and that was certainly a skill) but those aspects seem to all have disappeared.... (yes yes I'm sure someone will come along to tell me that's the settled people's fault)

But I really honestly can't find any positive aspects about their culture and I've tried.

Plastics killed off tinsmithing.

The only things I can think of are some of their traditional musicians and singers. I don't know if they even use their own language anymore.

Are Am Eye · 03-07-2018 11:01PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

I don't know if they even use their own language anymore.

They cant

Mutant z · 03-07-2018 11:06PM

Let them teach themselves about their own darn culture why its relevant to schools i will never know just pointless virtue signalling i would expect.

George White · 03-07-2018 11:06PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Was Pavee Point the authors?

Isn't that a known fact outside of travellers?
Quincy Jones said it, for one.

RandomName2 · 03-07-2018 11:07PM

I challenge anyone to point out an event in their so-called history, that doesn't involve a court case.

03-07-2018 11:14PM

Hitman3000 wrote:

Was Pavee Point the authors?

Typical boards reaction. Making light of racism

Cee-Jay-Cee · 03-07-2018 11:16PM

This is just another case of a idiot senator dreaming up something utterly ridiculous to debate in the Seanad. None of their hair brained ideas ever come to pass, it’s just failed politicians and wannabes talkin shìte, no one but idiot journalists ever take notice of these idiots.

RandomName2 · 03-07-2018 11:16PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

They cant

This pun is going to go under-appreciated.

Hitman3000 · 03-07-2018 11:18PM

Sleeper12 wrote:

Typical boards reaction. Making light of racism

Sure throw up the source there and I'll have a look see. I read a report years ago in my home town about deprivation, it listed 5 distinct housing estates, oddly at time of publication one of those estates had no residents. Paper doesn't refuse ink.

AllForIt · 03-07-2018 11:18PM

It's not their history I'm interested in it's their future and they should be too.

03-07-2018 11:21PM

Grayson wrote: »

I think you need to go back to school as well. That's not how maths works.

Explain to me how with those numbers they're "50 times more likely" then please. I look forward to it.

03-07-2018 11:23PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Sure throw up the source there and I'll have a look see. I read a report years ago in my home town about deprivation, it listed 5 distinct housing estates, oddly at time of publication one of those estates had no residents. Paper doesn't refuse ink.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-highest-rates-hate-crime-12846133

Ireland has the highest rate of hate crime against transgender people and people of African background in the EU, according to a new report.
According to the Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, Emily Logan, Ireland is shown to be seriously lacking in addressing the issue and she said that more needs to be done to rectify it.

_Kaiser_ · 03-07-2018 11:34PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/ireland-highest-rates-hate-crime-12846133

Ireland has the highest rate of hate crime against transgender people and people of African background in the EU, according to a new report.
According to the Chief Commissioner of the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission, Emily Logan, Ireland is shown to be seriously lacking in addressing the issue and she said that more needs to be done to rectify it.

So the head of an organisation that depends on discrimination and racism to justify its existence finds that discrimination and racism exists... Hmm

Interesting results in a country full of multinational companies and foreign workers.

As for the African angle.. I think you'll find its illegal migrants chancing their arm and being rewarded for their efforts by EU politicians at the expense (financial and socially) of the citizens of those EU nations who are expected to live with the consequences that's the issue there.

I've worked in several multinationals now and there's people from dozens of countries working and socialising together - if anything, the Irish can be in the minority on many of the teams but yet I've never once heard of a racially motivated incident in the last 20 years of working in such places.

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