traveller culture and history to become mandatory in school curriculums

judeboy101 · 03-07-2018 09:28PM #1

We can add it to the list, along with consent classes and "mindfulness".

GingerLily · 03-07-2018 09:29PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

We can add it to the list, along with consent classes and "mindfulness".

Link?

03-07-2018 09:30PM

God no.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 03-07-2018 09:34PM

GingerLily wrote: »

Link?

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2018/0703/976103-traveller-history-culture/

c montgomery · 03-07-2018 09:34PM

At least then the kids will know to avoid them

Odyssey 2005 · 03-07-2018 09:36PM

Has the silly season started already ?

batgoat · 03-07-2018 09:38PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

We can add it to the list, along with consent classes and "mindfulness".

Firstly, it's a proposal and I don't really see much problem with learning about aspects of traveller culture as it's far more complex than simply labeling travellers as criminals.
https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2018/0703/976103-traveller-history-culture/

In addition, I see no problem with learning of the importance of consent and learning mindfulness from a young age is pretty great, it's a long term skill that I find useful and many others do. Mental health issues and suicide is a a pretty huge issue for teens in Ireland so offering self help techniques is a good thing. Ignoring mental health issues among young people doesn't work.

In relation to that, suicide rates among travellers is higher than the average person and being more accepted tends to have a knock on effect of improving mental health.

Aufbau · 03-07-2018 09:41PM

It's just a proposal.

But long past it's time

c montgomery · 03-07-2018 09:41PM

Whats next? History of italian chippers in ireland

byhookorbycrook · 03-07-2018 09:42PM

"It quoted from last year’s ESRI report which found that Travellers were over 50 times more likely than non-Travellers to leave school without the Leaving Certificate. The same survey found that only 9% of 25-34 year-olds had completed second level education compared with 86% of the general population.

Senator Kelleher said that discrimination and bullying has led to many Traveller children leaving school early."
Many Traveller children leave school after the junior cert as their parents don't value education. Young women of leaving cert. age often leave to marry. If discrimination and bullying are really causing children to drop out, then that needs to be addressed immediately, but it's usually down to the lack of interest in completing education rather than anything else.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-07-2018 09:46PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

"It quoted from last year’s ESRI report which found that Travellers were over 50 times more likely than non-Travellers to leave school without the Leaving Certificate. The same survey found that only 9% of 25-34 year-olds had completed second level education compared with 86% of the general population.

Senator Kelleher said that discrimination and bullying has led to many Traveller children leaving school early."
Many Traveller children leave school after the junior cert as their parents don't value education. Young women of leaving cert. age often leave to marry. If discrimination and bullying are really causing children to drop out, then that needs to be addressed immediately, but it's usually down to the lack of interest in completing education rather than anything else.

If teachers are letting traveller kids be bullied and if that’s the reason for dropouts, then maybe there should be a penalty for teachers in schools (that is a financial penalty) where travellers drop out.

I don’t see how teaching traveller culture changes anything.

North inner city hoodlum · 03-07-2018 09:47PM

Traveller culture and history lessons.... NO FCUKING WAY BOSS

Beat horses and drive them till exhaustion.

Fight with slash hooks at funerals.

Rob everything not nailed down.

Have a load of kids.

Shout discrimination at every opportunity.

Pretend you can't read and write but can sue for everything under the sun.

No job but the best of vehicles.

Bare Knuckle boxing for tens of thousands in cash.

Harass the elderly.

They'll be great lessons BOSS

Signore Fancy Pants · 03-07-2018 09:51PM

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Ipso · 03-07-2018 09:52PM

How much history can they make of it; about 400 or 500 years a part of the population took on/retained a nomadic lifestyle that specialized in certain trades.

03-07-2018 09:53PM

How time have changed... when I was in school, the traveller boys were usually the most violent of the bullies. Now they're being bullied? By whom?

I guess they don't make them like they used to. Traveller children were tougher in my day. :rolleyes:

Franz Von Peppercorn · 03-07-2018 09:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

How time have changed... when I was in school, the traveller boys were usually the most violent of the bullies. Now they're being bullied? By whom?

I guess they don't make them like they used to. Traveller children were tougher in my day. :rolleyes:

I dint think I would bully travellers myself if I was a kid.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 03-07-2018 09:56PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

We can add it to the list, along with consent classes and "mindfulness".

You left out a very important detail. It's a proposalfrom an independent Senator. Not law, not mandatory and unlikely to get much further.

George White · 03-07-2018 09:56PM

c montgomery wrote: »

Whats next? History of italian chippers in ireland

This is the thing. We never learnt about people coming to Ireland, only Irish leaving Ireland and then later on the Windrush in England, which itself is a generalisation.

Infini · 03-07-2018 09:56PM

c montgomery wrote: »

Whats next? History of italian chippers in ireland

Noone will complan if they can all go for free chipper on their school trip!

Grayson · 03-07-2018 09:56PM

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Traveller culture and history lessons.... NO FCUKING WAY BOSS

Beat horses and drive them till exhaustion.

Fight with slash hooks at funerals.

Rob everything not nailed down.

Have a load of kids.

Shout discrimination at every opportunity.

Pretend you can't read and write but can sue for everything under the sun.

No job but the best of vehicles.

Bare Knuckle boxing for tens of thousands in cash.

Harass the elderly.

They'll be great lessons BOSS

Can you name one aspect of traveller culture that you haven't seen in a tabloid?

Maybe you should attend a class. To be fair I probably could as well.

I can't see any harm in kids learning. It's not like it's going to be a load of time.

03-07-2018 09:56PM

Travellers were over 50 times more likely than non-Travellers to leave school without the Leaving Certificate. The same survey found that only 9% of 25-34 year-olds had completed second level education compared with 86% of the general population.

Hmmm. 14% of the "general population" don't finish school so 50 times that would mean that 700% of travellers don't. Dodgy maths there. Unless an awful lot of the Travellers who do finish school fail all around in the LC.

Fann Linn · 03-07-2018 09:57PM

Ivanna Sour Marshmallow wrote: »

You left out a very important detail. It's a proposalfrom an independent Senator. Not law, not mandatory and unlikely to get much further.

I knew we should've got rid of the Seanad.

punisher5112 · 03-07-2018 09:57PM

April fool's was a few months back, this would have been ideal as a news story then.

How about the travellers learn some of our history and cop the fool on and contribute to society.

Where is Connors on this????

byhookorbycrook · 03-07-2018 10:07PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

If teachers are letting traveller kids be bullied and if that’s the reason for dropouts, then maybe there should be a penalty for teachers in schools (that is a financial penalty) where travellers drop out.

I don’t see how teaching traveller culture changes anything.

Seriously?How can you prove bullying took place? And while you are at it, why not fine the "bully?"And their parents?And and and....

George White · 03-07-2018 10:07PM

Actually, we did learn traveller history in CSPE. I.e. just a woman moaning about how "you get dirty looks" in the supermarket.
As a "non-settled" person, I have sympathy for the travellers.
But some of their traditions do baffle me.
Like the baby beauty pageant-like way they tart up their infants.
And also the travellers themselves, the trouble is that because their history isn't written - embellishments and bull****ting are common.

North inner city hoodlum · 03-07-2018 10:09PM

Grayson wrote: »

Can you name one aspect of traveller culture that you haven't seen in a tabloid?

Yes burning mountains of rubbish beating little ponys serious violence and guards won't go near them without armed response they're that bad

Grayson wrote: »

Maybe you should attend a class. To be fair I probably could as well.

I can't see any harm in kids learning. It's not like it's going to be a load of time.

I'd be against what you've suggested I want nothing got to do with their culture or history full stop.

beertons · 03-07-2018 10:10PM

Lessons on laying tarmac and selling gates?

Grayson · 03-07-2018 10:14PM

North inner city hoodlum wrote: »

Yes burning mountains of rubbish beating little ponys serious violence and guards won't go near them without armed response they're that bad

I'd be against what you've suggested I want nothing got to do with their culture or history full stop.

You're against knowledge. You're against history. How very enlightened of you.
Are you scared of learning about it? There's literally no harm that can come from it.

Grayson · 03-07-2018 10:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmmm. 14% of the "general population" don't finish school so 50 times that would mean that 700% of travellers don't. Dodgy maths there. Unless an awful lot of the Travellers who do finish school fail all around in the LC.

I think you need to go back to school as well. That's not how maths works.

03-07-2018 10:18PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

If teachers are letting traveller kids be bullied and if that’s the reason for dropouts, then maybe there should be a penalty for teachers in schools (that is a financial penalty) where travellers drop out.

I'm sure teachers in Blackrock, Clongowes, Glenstal and the like are trembling at the thought of being fined if any of those numerous fee-paying Travellers that their schools let in every September drop out...

03-07-2018 10:22PM

Ah Jasus the thread title is way off. Someone proposed it. That doesn't make it so.

Another sorry excuse for a traveller bashing thread. There's a study released today that suggested that Ireland is the most racist country in the EU.

traveller culture and history to become mandatory in school curriculums

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