Dairy chit chat II

freedominacup · 29-06-2018 07:36PM

Say my name wrote: »

We've never had the ideal climate (for it) to really show any difference. Granular works fine in normal irish conditions.

It developed in New Zealand. It's kind of new Zealand weather we have now.

And in NZ there was an issue a couple years ago with N getting into dairy products. More than milk urea. I don't know the mechanics of it but it was blamed on liquid urea and something about application timing re grazing. Glanbia got phonecalls immediately from major customers seeking reassurance that it wasn't being done here. Glanbia gave no absolute guarantees but said due to the setup costs and lack of technical expertise if it was being done it was on a very limited basis. Customers were happy enough with this reply apparently.

Be careful is all I'm saying. I got this reply in response to a question about them getting one of the contractors who bulk spread for them to invest in gear for doing it on a good scale and trialling to see how much N inputs could be reduced. I think dawg or waffle mentioned reducing N inputs by 50% at certain times. Because of customer concerns they weren't going near it. Not a great response really. A trial could have identified the problems and possibilities.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-06-2018 07:43PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

No drought there Chief.

Well, the fert spread 10 days ago still sitting on top of the ground, Dawg.

Mooooo · 29-06-2018 09:13PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Yikes!! Any reason as to why?

Well 8 of them there, 3 were late calvers, one on first heat other two were served on the first heat last time round. Another One has been ai'd twice in 21 days and again bybthe bull just, so in her case I assume it's a cyst or something, the other 4 then are repeats, one of which served about 9 weeks ago. It could have been N as with the initial warm weather came I sped up the rotation to 14 days so prob grazed grass with rel high N bit dunno in this weather would it have the same content. Hard to know. I ai'd with Hereford straws anyway in case the bull wouldn't do. Things were quiet previous to this so hoping it's only a blip. Vaccinated for lepto and salmonella and given a pour on for worms 3 weeks ago.
Hopefully this heat won't effect them too much in the next few week's as it'll be too late if embryo mortality occurs then. Cows have never been without water but not much shade about either. They are actually more comfortable in paddocks with stemmier grass as they lie down on it, in aftergrass paddocks they lie along the each on the grass the mower missed, the heat out of the ground is uncomfortable for them id say

Say my name · 29-06-2018 11:37PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Must be italian rygrass or something

2nd year westerwolds apparently.

The model farmers on boards are useless at identifying grass.:p

Gawddawggonnit · 30-06-2018 06:48AM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Well, the fert spread 10 days ago still sitting on top of the ground, Dawg.

Just need a drop of rain there. Be grand.

Drought...
Winter barley yields back 55%.
Osr back by 58%.

French wheat harvest downgraded by almost 5m tons.

That’s drought.

Reggie. · 30-06-2018 08:23AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Just need a drop of rain there. Be grand.

Drought...
Winter barley yields back 55%.
Osr back by 58%.

French wheat harvest downgraded by almost 5m tons.

That’s drought.

Yes but the city folk are getting the fine weather at the weekends. Sure that's all that matters

Gawddawggonnit · 30-06-2018 07:22PM

First casualty of the summer today. Cow with a broken stifle.
Cows only in by day with the last few days...

Dakota Dan · 30-06-2018 10:38PM

Say my name wrote: »

2nd year westerwolds apparently.

The model farmers on boards are useless at identifying grass.:p

2nd year? Westerwolds barely lasts one year. I sowed a field with it one year and got a cut of hay and second cut of silage and it did a disappearing act after that.

Mf310 · 01-07-2018 02:35PM

Have the pour on to give cows for worms Should I wait till after the heatwave to do them or would it make any difference?

Keepgrowing · 01-07-2018 04:30PM

Mf310 wrote: »

Have the pour on to give cows for worms Should I wait till after the heatwave to do them or would it make any difference?

Did ours last week, no problem

RightTurnClyde · 01-07-2018 05:29PM

Mf310 wrote: »

Have the pour on to give cows for worms Should I wait till after the heatwave to do them or would it make any difference?

Used Epricis on them instead this year. Injectable. Noticed a difference in the cows the following day. Finished with pourons, ended up doing the cows twice for the last few years. I have a feeling pourons are adding to parasite resistance.

GrasstoMilk · 01-07-2018 05:45PM

Hoping to source some PKE tomorrow. Anyone feeding it or any experience of it?

trixi2011 · 01-07-2018 06:03PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Hoping to source some PKE tomorrow. Anyone feeding it or any experience of it?

Used feed it quite a bit in NZ , best feed out in the paddock close to the water trough adlib not the most tasty of stuff so might take a while for cows to adjust . If possible try not to fed on concrete there is hard sharp curnals in it that will cause lameness . Pricing it up over here at the moment as well but hopefully have another week or 2 before were in trouble the joys of heavy land grew 100 this week . You will get a great jump in bf once cows start eating it properly

GrasstoMilk · 01-07-2018 06:13PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Used feed it quite a bit in NZ , best feed out in the paddock close to the water trough adlib not the most tasty of stuff so might take a while for cows to adjust . If possible try not to fed on concrete there is hard sharp curnals in it that will cause lameness . Pricing it up over here at the moment as well but hopefully have another week or 2 before were in trouble the joys of heavy land grew 100 this week . You will get a great jump in bf once cows start eating it properly

How long will it take for them to take to it? Eating into our winter feed far too much now. Even if we did get rain soon it would be another few weeks before the farm cover would be up enough to pull feed out

whelan2 · 01-07-2018 06:18PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How long will it take for them to take to it? Eating into our winter feed far too much now. Even if we did get rain soon it would be another few weeks before the farm cover would be up enough to pull feed out

How are they milking?

stretch film · 01-07-2018 06:30PM

Are you guys worming on the back of milk/dung tests.
Would have thought worm levels a good deal lower on the dry of last few months

GrasstoMilk · 01-07-2018 07:01PM

whelan2 wrote: »

How are they milking?

1.8 kgs. Would be happy with it of a normal year on grass and meal but it's going to take bought in feed now to maintain it

stretch film · 01-07-2018 08:32PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Hoping to source some PKE tomorrow. Anyone feeding it or any experience of it?

First time feeding here .slow to start but consistently eating it when offered ad lib in field.2-3 kgs intake . Fat keeping up to 4% . Starting on pk coincided with the last of the hairy paddocks and onto short grass so maintaining that is a good indicator. am hoping the better milkers will tip away to satisfy their greater demand.
Was looking for more during the last week .glanbia had none and I cleaned out another merchant for that day.

stretch film · 01-07-2018 08:41PM

Young vas bull acting the billox lately herding cow's in the field and on the roadway.

I know the standard reply is off to Mickey D's etc but what I want to know is what is going on in the gobshides head when he gets up to his antics in the middle of the day. Obviously if he's busy he's fine .

He's got himself a nice length of chain also which I've heard recommended before.

GrasstoMilk · 01-07-2018 08:59PM

stretch film wrote: »

First time feeding here .slow to start but consistently eating it when offered ad lib in field.2-3 kgs intake . Fat keeping up to 4% . Starting on pk coincided with the last of the hairy paddocks and onto short grass so maintaining that is a good indicator. am hoping the better milkers will tip away to satisfy their greater demand.
Was looking for more during the last week .glanbia had none and I cleaned out another merchant for that day.

You're not really saying what I want to hear! I was hoping it wouldn't be too hard to get and that they would eat more than 2-3kgs! Have you grass to offer yours that are displacing the PKE

tanko · 01-07-2018 09:03PM

stretch film wrote: »

Young vas bull acting the billox lately herding cow's in the field and on the roadway.

I know the standard reply is off to Mickey D's etc but what I want to know is what is going on in the gobshides head when he gets up to his antics in the middle of the day. Obviously if he's busy he's fine .

He's got himself a nice length of chain also which I've heard recommended before.

Ive two yearling bullocks with each group of cows, theyre a gift, they spend most of the day with the cow when shes bulling.
I cant see how a vasectomised bull would be any better.

mf240 · 01-07-2018 09:05PM

You could get your merchant to put half dairy nuts and half soya hulls in the lorry and blow them in together. Maybe some of them won't do it but the local fella does it.

Say my name · 01-07-2018 10:04PM

stretch film wrote: »

Young vas bull acting the billox lately herding cow's in the field and on the roadway.

I know the standard reply is off to Mickey D's etc but what I want to know is what is going on in the gobshides head when he gets up to his antics in the middle of the day. Obviously if he's busy he's fine .

He's got himself a nice length of chain also which I've heard recommended before.

The same as a rooster rounding up his hens or stallion rounding up his herd of mares.

They feel there's a threat of all the females leaving them for some other male. The other male could be a roaring bull nearby or even yourself bringing in the cows for milking.

stretch film · 01-07-2018 10:28PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

You're not really saying what I want to hear! I was hoping it wouldn't be too hard to get and that they would eat more than 2-3kgs! Have you grass to offer yours that are displacing the PKE

It's not impossible to get iykwim its just if you want less than an artic load straight from the port then there's a bit of a lead in time it seems.
I don't think you'll get more into them than 4-5 kgs and if you do you're pushing her hard i.e. offering her little else.
Lots of hay on dd from your county.
Would make a good source of fibre/roughage .
Will be going that route sooner rather than later to max concentrates and min bales. Teagasc man reckoned the 40% forage in the diet is not up for discussion.
Reckon some hay might push that a bit further still and keep em content.
Glanbia best value for hulls and beet pulp when getting some from port.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-07-2018 10:49PM

stretch film wrote: »

Young vas bull acting the billox lately herding cow's in the field and on the roadway.

I know the standard reply is off to Mickey D's etc but what I want to know is what is going on in the gobshides head when he gets up to his antics in the middle of the day. Obviously if he's busy he's fine .

He's got himself a nice length of chain also which I've heard recommended before.

I have 2 of them and they are so busy keeping an eye on the other lad, they don't have time for messing:pac:

What you don't do, though, is run up to the front of the herd in temper and hit them a slap of wrench. The rebound can be sore and bloody.

So I hear, anyway:o

mf240 · 01-07-2018 10:59PM

What price are hulls or pke at the moment.

mf240 · 01-07-2018 11:01PM

stretch film wrote: »

Young vas bull acting the billox lately herding cow's in the field and on the roadway.

I know the standard reply is off to Mickey D's etc but what I want to know is what is going on in the gobshides head when he gets up to his antics in the middle of the day. Obviously if he's busy he's fine .

He's got himself a nice length of chain also which I've heard recommended before.

If you had a Hereford Bull he be more likely to be lying out flat asleep in the sun

Gawddawggonnit · 01-07-2018 11:06PM

Seven hours round trip with one horse and return home with two...wrong kinda expansion.

Bad day.

Came back with the foulest, meanest, no-good-bytch of a filly that you could possibly be unlucky enough to afford...

Bytch took a lump out of my shoulder.
Starting on wheat tomorrow...
The hits just keep on coming.

mahoney_j · 01-07-2018 11:10PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How long will it take for them to take to it? Eating into our winter feed far too much now. Even if we did get rain soon it would be another few weeks before the farm cover would be up enough to pull feed out

Would a much simpler option be just cull a % of herd cell count ,feet poor solids etc .wont solve problem of no growth but will reduce demand straights like hulls and palm are going to get scarce and dear longer this drags on u mentioned tight on winter feed too even if rain comes it’ll take time for grass to recover

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-07-2018 11:18PM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Seven hours round trip with one horse and return home with two...wrong kinda expansion.

Bad day.

Came back with the foulest, meanest, no-good-bytch of a filly that you could possibly be unlucky enough to afford...

Bytch took a lump out of my shoulder.
Starting on wheat tomorrow...
The hits just keep on coming.

Admit it, Dawg, you just like hardship:D

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