Should we protest against the pope's visit?

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I think you've embarrassed yourself enough. Perhaps an early night. Your hysterics aren't getting you anywhere.

L O fucking L :pac:

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah. loads of people all ready did all of that. It's just a real shame that even after there is clear evidence collected by the Garda that the CC then try to claim that Canon law superceeds Irish law and pull out every trick to avoid the priests getting in trouble. Are they doing this out of a respect for the victim? No, they are protecting the firm, simple as.

Hold on - someone does a criminal act and then says "ah we have our own rules, so you can't touch us - and nothing is done because of this and you blame them? That's just stupid. What you are saying is ludicrous. Freeman of the land crap

Leroy42 wrote: »

You are of course correct that others share part of the blame, but the problem with selling your organisation as the very fountain of morality is that you class yourself as something special. Thus you really should look to abide to that.

I don't have any organization. Not selling anything

Leroy42 wrote: »

So women can be priests now can they? Must have missed that news. When did that happen?

I don't know and I could not give a shite either way. But is that really your issue? You're just spouting any random fact that you can position as negative. If there were women priests tomorrow, you wouldn't give a shite. I don't care if Jews don't let cats into their synagogues on a Thursday. Do they? I don't know and I don't care. Wasn't Sinead O'Connor ordained at one stage? Happy now? :pac:

Leroy42 wrote: »

can you give a reason why the CC should be exempt from the laws of the land in terms of equality?

Are will ya give over.

Leroy42 wrote: »

In 2008 the Health Service Executive had required a child safety audit which the Bishops felt unable to co-operate with for legal reasons, and in 2009 they asked the NBSC to perform this role. In its report on 2010–11 (to the end of March 2011) the NBSC complained that it had also been denied the same information, also for legal reasons, and that Church funding for its training programmes in child protection had ended in 2009. The 2010–11 report listed 272 new allegations of abuse, mainly "of a historical nature", up from 197 allegations in its 2009–10 report.

Hardly 100 years ago!

Yeah. Whatever dude. Bring your evidence to the guards and get them to sort it. Tell them not to allow the priests to pull the freeman "oaths" crap and they'll get it sorted.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Do you really think Jesus would have stood for any of this? That is the man that your religion is supposedly built around. Its not the organisation you should be trying to protect, its the ideals of Jesus

I don't know. Do you care about Jesus? I don't really care. I'm not exactly the religious type.

RobAMerc wrote: »

Seriously, so you are happy to ignore the fact the Catholic church literally raped and pillaged across this county for 2000 years odd?

Ah sure yea, "I am so cool I will let the leader of this gang come tell us what his vision of a family is etc etc ....."
"I love freedom of speech so let him come here and spout whatever vile tripe he wants to" - like fook he can. We should all be on the streets protesting his arrival till he tells his gang to stop trying to innfluence our society, pay what he owes and says sorry.

Ah sure look. All the priests in my parish still go out of a Saturday night for an oul' raping session. divil's so they are.





Time travelling divils too to have been doing it for the last 2000 years.

Taytoland wrote: »

No one thought the Papacy would be rejected in Ireland like we see today on this forum, a sense of great fulfillment with a tinge of sadness due to the loss of traditions too.

Ah sure it's only a few self-important saps. Neither here nor there in the big scheme of things. Let them do what they want

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How about we just live and let live? If you don’t want anything to do with the Popes’ vist OP that fine. But don’t presume to tell the rest of us how to feel.

I find that a bit weird. Taxpayer money is being spent on his visit. Quite a lot of it! So those of us they don’t want anything to do with it have something to do with it against our will.

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I find that a bit weird. Taxpayer money is being spent on his visit. Quite a lot of it! So those of us they don’t want anything to do with it have something to do with it against our will.

ah will ya ever give over.


You're not that important that your individual permission needs to be granted for any public event.


There'll be lots of people there. It'll be a big occasion. No harm done.


If they want to give a homecoming for the next time the Irish Soccerball team come last at some tournament, let them fire ahead. I just won't turn up but let whoever wants to do it fire away.

Taytoland wrote: »

So what is going to replace it? You won't have many Catholics left in 20 years time.

Sure what would the Nordies do then?




The prods would have nothing to protest or march against or burn


Life would lose all meaning for them



They'd need to start attacking the muslims or the jews or something. Maybe we could send them over to the middle east on tours

RobAMerc wrote: »

Seriously, so you are happy to ignore the fact the Catholic church literally raped and pillaged across this county for 2000 years odd?

Well aware of what they did, thank you very much, but I tend to separate judgement of a person and judgement of an act. Especially when the person visiting didn't commit these crimes (to the best of current knowledge). I'm just pointing out that not everyone on the island feels the same way and you don't have the right to speak for everyone on said island.

You want to protest? Fine. You have that right.
You want to demand something that you personally want irresepctive of what other people may or may not want? Not fine. You don't have that right.

I've deleted the last two paragraphs as it's just rambling ad hominem not worthy of response. Deal with the content of the post and the opinion expressed therein, instead of assuming bull**** about a person you don't know.

martyc5674 wrote: »

This is where you’re going wrong, there is a person behind every act. And in the CCs case a lot of victims too.
Victims who have been ushered from society, oppressed when they talked, by our unquestionable, above the law, moral leaders.

G'way with your hyperbole.




Nobody is above the law.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Well aware of what they did, thank you very much, but I tend to separate judgement of a person and judgement of an act. Especially when the person visiting didn't commit these crimes (to the best of current knowledge).

He's the leader of the church that perpetrated the crimes and then covered them up. He holds the power to apologise and agree to pay the money's owed to the victims of his gangs wrong doings. He's not just some Joe who's over for a visit.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You want to demand something that you personally want irresepctive of what other people may or may not want? Not fine. You don't have that right.

Are you suggesting the folks going to see him are opposed to him apologising ?

RobAMerc wrote: »

He's the leader of the church that perpetrated the crimes and then covered them up. He holds the power to apologise and agree to pay the money's owed to the victims of his gangs wrong doings. He's not just some Joe who's over for a visit.

Are you suggesting the folks going to see him are opposed to him apologising ?

How much does he owe and can you give me a reference for the figure?

Donald Trump wrote: »

What are you going on about.



I can believe I'm above the law.


Doesn't make a blind bit of difference what I believe.



The law is the law. If it's not enforced,m blame those responsible for not enforcing it

The CC the government and the guards have been in each other’s pockets in this country for hundreds of years , you know that and I know that.
You see how draining it has been on McCabe calling the guards out on poor practice. Unfortunately it’s not as easy as blaming the guards for not carrying out their duties when they have also been proven corrupt aswell, ignoring victims complaints has been a regular feature with AGS.