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Michael Lowry guilty

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    #32
    seamus
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    BobMc wrote: »
    I'd hope we'd be pretty far beyond falling into that trap.
    You're never more than 2 elections from falling into that trap. Look at the US. And Turkey.


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    #33
    DellyBelly
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    Be interesting to see what sentence he gets. The fact the garlic man got 6 years surely means Lowry will see some jail time?


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    #34
    realdanbreen
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    BobMc wrote: »
    . To be honest TD's etc should be held to higher standard and I'm hopefull he's shown the door from the Dail

    Well if that's the case than a lot more could also get the door.


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    #35
    Zebra3
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    Seems 5 years is the max he can get.


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    #36
    vicwatson
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    It’ll be two years suspended - this is Ireland after all, we don’t do accountability


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    #37
    keano_afc
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    When will it be announced that he has pretty much gotten away with it?


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    #38
    Zebra3
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    Was due at 3.30 today....


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    #39
    vicwatson
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    keano_afc wrote: »
    When will it be announced that he has pretty much gotten away with it?

    Sentencing was due at 3.30pm


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    #40
    Zebra3
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    https://mobile.twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1011619133119754240

    He won’t be retried on what he got off on today.


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    #41
    Zebra3
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    https://mobile.twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1011623547071066113

    5 year ban from serving as a company director.


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    #42
    20Cent
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    Orla O'Donnell is tweeting from the court.

    @orlaodo


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    #43
    ohnonotgmail
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1011623547071066113

    5 year ban from serving as a company director.


    Meh.


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    #44
    thomond2006
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    That can't be it...can it?


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    #45
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Tipp Poll topper in GE 2018/19 so. They do love the rascals down the country don't you know.


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    #46
    Amirani
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    That can't be it...can it?

    Nah, that's just automatic because it's a conviction under the Companies Act. No sentencing yet.


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    #47
    Wheeliebin30
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    Every year revenue publishes details of people caught with tax avoidance.

    There is 100s and they don’t go to jail, why should it be different with Lowry who I am no fan off either btw.


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    #48
    Fred Swanson
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    This post has been deleted.


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    #49
    DellyBelly
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    I'll give hime one thing he's brilliant at the political game! Knows how to win people over. He has done a lot for the people of Tip in fairness and that is why he seemed to be loved by them. Will this make any difference..I don't think so. And maybe it shouldn't.


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    #50
    Amirani
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Every year revenue publishes details of people caught with tax avoidance.

    There is 100s and they don’t go to jail, why should it be different with Lowry who I am no fan off either btw.

    "The jury found that Garuda had knowingly delivered an incorrect corporation tax return for the year ending 2006 and that Mr Lowry had consented to or connived in this."

    That's not tax avoidance.


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    #51
    Zebra3
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    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I'll give hime one thing he's brilliant at the political game! Knows how to win people over. He has done a lot for the people of Tip in fairness and that is why he seemed to be loved by them. Will this make any difference..I don't think so. And maybe it shouldn't.

    What are all things he has done for the people of Tipp?


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    #52
    thomond2006
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    DellyBelly wrote: »
    I'll give hime one thing he's brilliant at the political game! Knows how to win people over. He has done a lot for the people of Tip in fairness and that is why he seemed to be loved by them. Will this make any difference..I don't think so. And maybe it shouldn't.

    That's the problem right there.


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    #53
    20Cent
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Every year revenue publishes details of people caught with tax avoidance.

    There is 100s and they don’t go to jail, why should it be different with Lowry who I am no fan off either btw.

    Similar sitiation to the doctor who got 16 months recently. Same judge as well.


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    #54
    Wheeliebin30
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    Amirani wrote: »
    "The jury found that Garuda had knowingly delivered an incorrect corporation tax return for the year ending 2006 and that Mr Lowry had consented to or connived in this."

    That's not tax avoidance.

    Amounts to the same thing.


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    #55
    cruizer101
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Every year revenue publishes details of people caught with tax avoidance.

    There is 100s and they don’t go to jail, why should it be different with Lowry who I am no fan off either btw.


    The amount and the circumstances would have an effect on it.
    Its a bit different a sole trader not declaring a could of thousand compared to €372,000 that wasn't declared by Lowry.


    I would also argue as a public representative there is an expectation of a higher standard


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    #56
    Wheeliebin30
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    He is a TD and should be held to a higher standard.

    Really?

    So one law for the public and another for tds????

    I don’t follow.


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    #57
    Wheeliebin30
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    cruizer101 wrote: »
    The amount and the circumstances would have an effect on it.
    Its a bit different a sole trader not declaring a could of thousand compared to €372,000 that wasn't declared by Lowry.


    I would also argue as a public representative there is an expectation of a higher standard

    Tax avoidance is tax avoidance.


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    #58
    ohnonotgmail
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    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    I dont think this is true at all. In fact i would be happy if they were held to the same standard as the rest of us.


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    #59
    ArmaniJeanss
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Every year revenue publishes details of people caught with tax avoidance.

    There is 100s and they don’t go to jail, why should it be different with Lowry who I am no fan off either btw.

    They are generally people who didn't pay what was owed but didn't defraud as such.
    i.e., you buy 100K of widgets off me and I don't pay the VAT in time because I used the money for wages or to keep the business running, two years later it gets published that I owed and paid 23K VAT + 15K penalties.

    But if you buy 100K of widgets off me and I try to hide or reduce the invoice or put it through 2021 books rather than this years then its fraud which they bring me to court over.

    That's my understanding of 'the difference'.


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    #60
    20Cent
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    15k fine.


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    #61
    Try_harder
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    Judge Martin Nolan: Appropriate sentence for Michael Lowry, taking into account all of the matters raised, fine of 15,000 euro. For Garuda - 10,000 euro.


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