Michael Lowry guilty

Zebra3

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2018/0626/973306-michael-lowry-court/

Sentencing due at 3.30 apparently.

Gutted for him. :rolleyes:

JMNolan

Considering how hard Judge Martin Nolan went on garlic man I presume a there will be a hefty sentence.

kneemos

Probation act type of offense I'd say.

jimmycrackcorm

Zebra3 wrote:

Gutted for him.

His votes will double at the next election in Tipperary

Birneybau

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

His votes will double at the next election in Tipperary

Sure he fixed the road

Eggs For Dinner

He'll spend time in the cooler

keano_afc

Meh. Wont make a difference to his tenure as a TD or his ability to grab the gombeen vote. Fine and a slap on the wrist incoming.

verycool

Birneybau wrote: »

Sure he fixed the road

"I understood that reference!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjl8OIZijjY

Sky King

verycool wrote: »

"I understood that reference!"]

Yes but did you understand the 'cooler' reference?

I think you missed it. For shame. You are unworthy of your username.

BobMc

Conviction should also carry immediate dismissal from Dail too, Dail rules should include any conviction rules you out to hold any office of this country (if it doesnt already)

Lowry has been getting away with this carry on for far too long and I feel the idiots voting for him are just as bad not to realise it

Zebra3

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

His votes will double at the next election in Tipperary

He expects to hit 108%!!!

Omackeral

JMNolan wrote: »

Considering how hard Judge Martin Nolan went on garlic man I presume a there will be a hefty sentence.

Literally the first reply. Legitimately impressed.

Ulysses Gaze

BobMc wrote: »

Conviction should also carry immediate dismissal from Dail too, Dail rules should include any conviction rules you out to hold any office of this country (if it doesnt already)

Lowry has been getting away with this carry on for far too long and I feel the idiots voting for him are just as bad not to realise it

Anyone voting for Lowry would do the exact same thing that he does.

valoren

Lowry is a magnificent bastard. It'll be a fine and a stern word for him.

kal7

Great to see Irish courts convicting a white collar crime, nobody should be untouchable.

The scale of financial loss is much greater than many of those in prison.

Brae100

JMNolan wrote: »

Considering how hard Judge Martin Nolan went on garlic man I presume a there will be a hefty sentence.

He also gave a North Dublin based doctor 18 months last month for a similar tax offence. If he is to be consistent he should also give Lowry 18 months. But he will in his hoop.

realdanbreen

keano_afc wrote: »

Meh. Wont make a difference to his tenure as a TD or his ability to grab the gombeen vote. Fine and a slap on the wrist incoming.

A guy who gets things done will always get elected ahead of a waffler. Having private school accent might get you elected in parts of Dublin but not in the country.

Sleeper12

It's been a long time coming. His business connection to Dennis O Brien and Ben Dunne are well documented.

It's amazed me how he has topped the poll in his constituency for decades with the whole country knowing his track record

Ulysses Gaze

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's been a long time coming. His business connection to Dennis O Brien and Ben Dunne are well documented.

It's amazed me how he has topped the poll in his constituency for decades with the whole country knowing his track record

Because the whole country does not vote for him - just the gombeens in his constituency.

jiltloop

BobMc wrote: »

Conviction should also carry immediate dismissal from Dail too, Dail rules should include any conviction rules you out to hold any office of this country (if it doesnt already)

Lowry has been getting away with this carry on for far too long and I feel the idiots voting for him are just as bad not to realise it

Totally agree, it should also stop any current and future pension payments especially if the offence was committed while in office.

fxotoole

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's been a long time coming. His business connection to Dennis O Brien and Ben Dunne are well documented.

It's amazed me how he has topped the poll in his constituency for decades with the whole country knowing his track record

People in his constituency genuinely don’t give a fcuk and see him as a loveable rouge

goingnowhere

You cannot be a TD if

You are presently in prison serving a term greater than 6 months

We find out at 1530 Time for a by election

Zebra3

goingnowhere wrote: »

You cannot be a TD if



We find out at 1530 Time for a by election

Anyone in the clann lined up to replace him?

F34

If he gets a sentence greater than 6 months he looses his Dail seat. Be shocked if they hand him longer than 6 months sure isn’t he great really.

Zebra3

He might just get community service.







Can work on fixing a few roads.

seamus

BobMc wrote: »

Conviction should also carry immediate dismissal from Dail too, Dail rules should include any conviction rules you out to hold any office of this country (if it doesnt already)

jiltloop wrote: »

Totally agree, it should also stop any current and future pension payments especially if the offence was committed while in office.

You gotta have safeguards in place to avoid fascists from using the legal system to take control. It's part of the dictator playbook; abuse the legal system to demonise, arrest and detain your opponents.

All you'd have to do is get convictions on minor matters for your opponents to have them barred from office for life, or starve them and their families of incomes.

Obviously you need to have sensible rules in place. If someone is in prison, then they can't serve their constituents. If someone is convicted of using political office for corrupt purposes, their state pension should be forfeit. Draconian punishments, I don't support.

CeilingFly

goingnowhere wrote: »

You cannot be a TD if



We find out at 1530 Time for a by election

He'll appeal and that will take a few months.

JMNolan

Omackeral wrote: »

Literally the first reply. Legitimately impressed.

It's all he'll be remembered for to be honest.

Birneybau

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's been a long time coming. His business connection to Dennis O Brien and Ben Dunne are well documented.

It's amazed me how he has topped the poll in his constituency for decades with the whole country knowing his track record

He and the Healy-Raes went to ALL the funerals and fixed ALL the roads

BobMc

seamus wrote: »

You gotta have safeguards in place to avoid fascists from using the legal system to take control. It's part of the dictator playbook; abuse the legal system to demonise, arrest and detain your opponents.

All you'd have to do is get convictions on minor matters for your opponents to have them barred from office for life, or starve them and their families of incomes.

Obviously you need to have sensible rules in place. If someone is in prison, then they can't serve their constituents. If someone is convicted of using political office for corrupt purposes, their state pension should be forfeit. Draconian punishments, I don't support.

I'd hope we'd be pretty far beyond falling into that trap.

Minor matters are fine, but I think most would agree on a list that should bar holding office (ie this particular Tax evasion, murder etc. ) or upon conviction removal from office. To be honest TD's etc should be held to higher standard and I'm hopefull he's shown the door from the Dail

Fred Swanson

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seamus

BobMc wrote: »

I'd hope we'd be pretty far beyond falling into that trap.

You're never more than 2 elections from falling into that trap. Look at the US. And Turkey.

DellyBelly

Be interesting to see what sentence he gets. The fact the garlic man got 6 years surely means Lowry will see some jail time?

realdanbreen

BobMc wrote: »

. To be honest TD's etc should be held to higher standard and I'm hopefull he's shown the door from the Dail

Well if that's the case than a lot more could also get the door.

Zebra3

Seems 5 years is the max he can get.

vicwatson

It’ll be two years suspended - this is Ireland after all, we don’t do accountability

keano_afc

When will it be announced that he has pretty much gotten away with it?

Zebra3

Was due at 3.30 today....

vicwatson

keano_afc wrote: »

When will it be announced that he has pretty much gotten away with it?

Sentencing was due at 3.30pm

Zebra3

https://mobile.twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1011619133119754240

He won’t be retried on what he got off on today.

Zebra3

https://mobile.twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1011623547071066113

5 year ban from serving as a company director.

20Cent

Orla O'Donnell is tweeting from the court.

@orlaodo

ohnonotgmail

Zebra3 wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/Orlaodo/status/1011623547071066113

5 year ban from serving as a company director.

Meh.

thomond2006

That can't be it...can it?

Hitman3000

Tipp Poll topper in GE 2018/19 so. They do love the rascals down the country don't you know.

Amirani

thomond2006 wrote: »

That can't be it...can it?

Nah, that's just automatic because it's a conviction under the Companies Act. No sentencing yet.

Wheeliebin30

Every year revenue publishes details of people caught with tax avoidance.

There is 100s and they don’t go to jail, why should it be different with Lowry who I am no fan off either btw.

Fred Swanson

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DellyBelly

I'll give hime one thing he's brilliant at the political game! Knows how to win people over. He has done a lot for the people of Tip in fairness and that is why he seemed to be loved by them. Will this make any difference..I don't think so. And maybe it shouldn't.

Amirani

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Every year revenue publishes details of people caught with tax avoidance.

There is 100s and they don’t go to jail, why should it be different with Lowry who I am no fan off either btw.

"The jury found that Garuda had knowingly delivered an incorrect corporation tax return for the year ending 2006 and that Mr Lowry had consented to or connived in this."

That's not tax avoidance.

Zebra3

DellyBelly wrote: »

I'll give hime one thing he's brilliant at the political game! Knows how to win people over. He has done a lot for the people of Tip in fairness and that is why he seemed to be loved by them. Will this make any difference..I don't think so. And maybe it shouldn't.

What are all things he has done for the people of Tipp?