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    #32
    AlphabetCards
    Registered Users Posts: 410 ✭✭AlphabetCards


    Aye, in every war and conflict, targeting civilians and disrupting an economy have been the primary method of bringing an end to conflict. The cyber wars that will inevitably take place will involve countries targeting their enemies means of providing their citizens with running water, distributing food and providing continuous gas/electricity services. Couple that with everything else that is on the IoT, we will have a Clausewitz-sequel situation of imposing ones will on the enemy.... The citizenry of a country will rip each other to shreds in an attempt to survive - all without the enemy country flying a single drone overhead, or putting a single boot on the ground. If the enemy play their cards right, they could play enough games so that the citizens blame their own government, and welcome the intervention of enemy forces as benevolent overlords.

    So yeah, I reckon prepping and the knowledge of living by independent means is a vital set of skills.

    As you can see, I'm ever the optimist :p


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    #33
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,565 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    Perhaps not but stealing is still a sin.

    The Bible also said 'man cannot live on bread alone' and storm Emma proved otherwise.


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    #34
    [Deleted User]
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    Are we allowed to quote posts from other forums on here? My jaw is on the floor reading OP's prior posts.


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    #35
    Benjamin Buttons
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭Benjamin Buttons


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    The Bible also said 'man cannot live on bread alone' and storm Emma proved otherwise.

    Check and mate.

    The lack of bread wasn't the main problem generally, it was the lack of Brennans bread specifically.

    John 6:51

    "I am the living Brennans bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this Brennans bread, he will live forever; and the Brennans bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."


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    #36
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I'm not getting at what you're saying?terms such as 'sin' are only truly used to strike fear into society, they are effectively meaningless, particularly in this context, people would do almost anything to stay alive in such an extreme situation, even murder.

    Very well, stealing, murder etc are wrong (if you don`t like the word sin). One of the advantages of prepping is that if a worst case scenario were to arise, you would not necessarily have to choose between doing what is wrong or going hungry, in order to survive. Also, if everyone steals and nobody produces, that is a zero sum game.


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    #37
    Outlaw Pete
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    Careful of the wild potatoe seeds.

    Chris.


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    #38
    realitykeeper
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    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    You can't live off the land anymore

    Impossible since near every acre is farmland.

    True but even it that were not the case, it very difficult to get enough food from nature. A good unspoiled stretch of seashore would be your best chance of getting a square meal. However, if hoards of people tried foraging from the seashore, there would not be enough to go around. Prepping leaves less to chance.


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    #39
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Interesting.

    I lived many years on a North Sea island with a goat for milk and cheese, hens, geese, ducks for eggs and a very large vegetable garden. Baked all my own bread etc and kept stocked with all that was needed. Mainland shopping once a month;they delivered.

    Now I am on a small offshore island and again keeping stocks carefully and starting "foraging"' ; there will be wild fruit in abundance and locals eat winkles and mussels,, and I need to find which kinds of seaweed are edible.

    Some vegetables already.

    And am stocking now week by week for the winter; everything I cannot get or do without. An islander who does not do this is a pain in the unowot! We get cut off frequently and unpredictably in autumn through late spring

    When I was first here I was 5 months with no electricity and I managed fine. Solid fuel stove ie turf

    It is about sensible organisation. Knowing that there are many things you cannot forage for.

    Not going all gung ho about it and overidealising

    I love it... and next year will grow more..


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    #40
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    weisses wrote: »
    A whole forum exists on how to make tinfoil hats, and tips how to live in that reality

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1514

    The problem with the internet is that anybody can post their opinion, no matter how ignorant or naive it may be.

    preparing for the unforeseen is quite a smart move and to consider that your needs will be always be provided by others if there happens to be an emergency, is incredibly naive irresponsible.

    A bit of snow hit Ireland and people acted like the world was about to end. Mostly from those who live day to day. Laughable really.


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    #41
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Ayla Slimy Clarinet wrote: »
    The problem with the internet is that anybody can post their opinion, no matter how ignorant or naive it may be.

    preparing for the unforeseen is quite a smart move and to consider that your needs will be always be provided by others if there happens to be an emergency, is incredibly naive irresponsible.

    A bit of snow hit Ireland and people acted like the world was about to end. Mostly from those who live day to day. Laughable really.

    Even if you don’t live day to day you can best live week to week. If civilisation breaks down most people are doomed. Grace has a chance on her island but not much.


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    #42
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Ayla Slimy Clarinet wrote: »
    The problem with the internet is that anybody can post their opinion, no matter how ignorant or naive it may be.

    preparing for the unforeseen is quite a smart move and to consider that your needs will be always be provided by others if there happens to be an emergency, is incredibly naive irresponsible.

    A bit of snow hit Ireland and people acted like the world was about to end. Mostly from those who live day to day. Laughable really.

    Well said! By autumn I will have enough to last at least three months for myself, the cats and the dogs,, And preserves galore.

    In a small setting you do have that responsibilty also to your neighbours .. Yes they would always help but far better to be prepared .

    I have made ONE major mistake here and that was running out of gas, and the big grins on faces were a sight to behold.. ;)


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    #43
    Feisar
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    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Even if you don’t live day to day you can best live week to week. If civilisation breaks down most people are doomed. Grace has a chance on her island but not much.

    "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero" to quote Fight Club.

    What I'm saying is eventually society will collapse so no harm in trying to be ready. Now the fantasy of heading to the woods to thrive on the fat of the land is exatly that, pure fantasy. Miost of us will perish but no harm in being as ready as possible.

    And maybe it won't be the end of the world, maybe the grid will be down for just a few months. It'd be good to have the structures in place to survive that.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #44
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    Even if you don’t live day to day you can best live week to week. If civilisation breaks down most people are doomed. Grace has a chance on her island but not much.

    You know not whereof you speak!

    The people of this island not only survived the Famine but were able to support mainland communities with the crops they grew. We have fuel .food, water, and can go on indefinitely . A simple life such as was lived here in the past.

    Bees for honey already... renewable food sources of sea and land.

    We live season by season. The men are out turfcutting and hay making, and livestock renews itself


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    #45
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,565 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Graces7 wrote: »
    You know not whereof you speak!

    The people of this island not only survived the Famine but were able to support mainland communities with the crops they grew. We have fuel .food, water, and can go on indefinitely . A simple life such as was lived here in the past

    Yeah but if the reason for us having to be self sufficient is a war resulting in the island being bombed, you'd need more than an alternative to le spud to survive....


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    #46
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    Yeah but if the reason for us having to be self sufficient is a war resulting in the island being bombed, you'd need more than an alternative to le spud to survive....

    No one mentioned bombs?

    Who would bomb us out here? Nowhere near any strategic sites or towns or even villages..

    You are stretching reality to suit your arguments..

    Actually too we were spared the Blight here ..


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    #47
    Alf Veedersane
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    No one mentioned bombs?

    Who would bomb us out here? Nowhere near any strategic sites or towns or even villages..

    You are stretching reality to suit your arguments..

    Actually too we were spared the Blight here ..

    War was mentioned in the OP. They'd probably bomb there to send a message: you survived the famine but not us.

    That's how I'd roll anyway


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    #48
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    War was mentioned in the OP. They'd probably bomb there to send a message: you survived the famine but not us.

    That's how I'd roll anyway

    Then it makes no sense to talk re preppers as that is not what prepping is about. A pity as it was getting interesting until that .


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    #49
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Feisar


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    So that's my three day kit, fairly minimalist however I've something to sleep on/in/under, grub, the ability to boil water and chlorine tabs if I can't.

    I went out for a few nights a year back and brought the kitchen sink, the above is the refinement of that. It's lacking First Aid I know, that's something I need to add and also gain some skills in that area.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #50
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Graces7 wrote: »
    No one mentioned bombs?

    Who would bomb us out here? Nowhere near any strategic sites or towns or even villages..

    You are stretching reality to suit your arguments..

    Actually too we were spared the Blight here ..

    Where is 'here'?


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    #51
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Where is 'here'?

    1937 I think


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    #52
    realitykeeper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Alf Veedersane wrote: »
    War was mentioned in the OP. They'd probably bomb there to send a message: you survived the famine but not us.

    That's how I'd roll anyway

    The OP did not single out war for special attention and certainly made no mention of bombing remote islands, that was your doing. The OP mentioned several scenarios eg natural disasters, trade issues among other things.


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    #53
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    realitykeeper wrote: »
    The OP did not single out war for special attention and certainly made no mention of bombing remote islands, that was your doing. The OP mentioned several scenarios eg natural disasters, trade issues among other things.

    Thank you! There are doom seekers galore here who hate positivity .


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    #54
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Feisar wrote: »
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    So that's my three day kit, fairly minimalist however I've something to sleep on/in/under, grub, the ability to boil water and chlorine tabs if I can't.

    I went out for a few nights a year back and brought the kitchen sink, the above is the refinement of that. It's lacking First Aid I know, that's something I need to add and also gain some skills in that area.

    Ah you are talking re bugging out, not long term survival and self-sufficiency.


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    #55
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    wexie wrote: »
    1937 I think

    The Famine was 1845-9.


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    #56
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭weisses


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Thank you! There are doom seekers galore here who hate positivity .

    In the op he talked about doomsday type scenarios ... They are by definition not positive


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    #57
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Is this something to do with filling a 40' container in the woods with guns, ammo and RPGs?


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    #58
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    weisses wrote: »
    In the op he talked about doomsday type scenarios ... They are by definition not positive

    You need to reread the OP

    "This thread is intended to discuss the merits of self sufficiency. Also, any preppers with ideas or suggestions about self sufficiency and general prepping for doomsday type scenarios please post here. "

    Interesting how you misread it.

    Self sufficiency has great merits indeed

    Have you watched the BBC series "Survivors"? On Youtube.


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    #59
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Ayla Slimy Clarinet wrote: »
    The problem with the internet is that anybody can post their opinion, no matter how ignorant or naive it may be.

    preparing for the unforeseen is quite a smart move and to consider that your needs will be always be provided by others if there happens to be an emergency, is incredibly naive irresponsible.

    A bit of snow hit Ireland and people acted like the world was about to end. Mostly from those who live day to day. Laughable really.


    Also unbelievably sad. That so many could not even make that most basic of foods..


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    #60
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,519 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Well if under the dome has taught me anything, it's that school science teachers are a vital resource. For both engineering projects and genocide planning.


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    #61
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,158 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Feisar wrote: »

    So that's my three day kit, fairly minimalist however I've something to sleep on/in/under, grub, the ability to boil water and chlorine tabs if I can't.

    I went out for a few nights a year back and brought the kitchen sink, the above is the refinement of that. It's lacking First Aid I know, that's something I need to add and also gain some skills in that area.

    I saw a program about the London floods back in the 50's or 60's. There was someone from local government on who recommended that everyone should have something similar to you, especially if they live in a city. It's relatively easy for a city to be immobilized by an event like flooding so they recommended that everyone have a "go bag" for themselves and their family. Just a bag with a couple of changes of warm clothes, a few days of food and some basics like a radio so they can get updates.

    It's not an end of the world survival thing like the guys in the US it's just a safety precaution. Kinda like the way people have a little kit in the car in case of snow or breakdown


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